Dublin restrictions Megathread

Pkiernan · 19-09-2020 9:09am #1

Im struggling to find what powers the Gardai have to prevent people in Dublin crossing the countys border.

What punishments are applicable in the case that a Dublin resident drives across into Meath for example?

Plumbthedepths · 19-09-2020 9:11am

Pkiernan wrote: »

Im struggling to find what powers the Gardai have to prevent people in Dublin crossing the countys border.

What punishments are applicable in the case that a Dublin resident drives across into Meath for example?

Simple answer, none.

TheBlackPill · 19-09-2020 9:11am

Pkiernan wrote: »

Im struggling to find what powers the Gardai have to prevent people in Dublin crossing the countys border.

What punishments are applicable in the case that a Dublin resident drives across into Meath for example?

It will be gangs of farmers, blocking roads with their machinery and hosing the pestilent dubs with slurry, that will enforce this blockade.
Dubliners holidaying in Wexford = no supplies getting through to dublin from Rosslare port

drunkmonkey · 19-09-2020 9:15am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Simple answer, none.

Why is the Indo implying there is, says a file will be sent to the dpp.
I'm not getting this policing by consent when it's actually by threat of prosection.
It's like a rapist saying if you don't let me have sex with you I'll beat you with a hammer.

Pkiernan · 19-09-2020 9:18am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why is the Indo implying there is, says a file will be sent to the dpp.
I'm not getting this policing by consent when it's actually by threat of prosection.
It's like a rapist saying if you don't let me have sex with you I'll beat you with a hammer.

Not sure how you managed to bring up rape? Ffs

Its strange how none of the news outlets are detailing the enforcement/ punishment aspect.

cython · 19-09-2020 9:18am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why is the Indo implying there is, says a file will be sent to the dpp.
I'm not getting this policing by consent when it's actually by threat of prosection.
It's like a rapist saying if you don't let me have sex with you I'll beat you with a hammer.

Assuming you mean this article I think the DPP comment is in reference to pubs and restaurants ahead of the wet pub relaxation outside Dublin on Monday. The same article also clearly states the Gardai have no enforcement powers for the travel component.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-gardai-to-target-popular-getaway-spots-to-discourage-mass-exodus-from-dublin-39543937.html

dan1895 · 19-09-2020 9:20am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Why is the Indo implying there is, says a file will be sent to the dpp.
I'm not getting this policing by consent when it's actually by threat of prosection.
It's like a rapist saying if you don't let me have sex with you I'll beat you with a hammer.

Have you got a link to the info where it says that? Would be interested in reading over it.

EB_2013 · 19-09-2020 9:21am

Meanwhile the Gardai setting up pointless roadblocks while they could be sorting other more important issues out.

drunkmonkey · 19-09-2020 9:21am

Pkiernan wrote: »

Not sure how you managed to bring up rape? Ffs

You'll be pinned to the ground against your will for not complying with some implied law that doesn't seem to exist.
The Government were pulled up on this two week ago and have went against all legal experts in how there communicating what is and isn't lawful for people to do.

drunkmonkey · 19-09-2020 9:22am

dan1895 wrote: »

Have you got a link to the info where it says that? Would be interested in reading over it.

It's the way the Independent is framing it..

Revealed: Gardaí to target popular getaway spots to discourage mass exodus from Dublin

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-gardai-to-target-popular-getaway-spots-to-discourage-mass-exodus-from-dublin-39543937.html

Notmything · 19-09-2020 9:25am

From reading the article it appears the reference to files being sent to the dpp is in relation to pubs, but I can see how it might be taken to also refer to those leaving Dublin.

Pkiernan · 19-09-2020 9:29am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's the way the Independent is framing it..

Revealed: Gardaí to target popular getaway spots to discourage mass exodus from Dublin

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-gardai-to-target-popular-getaway-spots-to-discourage-mass-exodus-from-dublin-39543937.html

That article, if accurate, implies that there are no enforcement powers for travel restrictions, stating that they are not Penal Regulations.

Thanks.

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 9:35am

I was old N4 yesterday and there a huge checkpoint between Kinnegad and Enfield.
There were several Garda cars and it was just being set-up.
The focus seemed to be on vehicles travelling towards Dublin.
Going this direction the road was coned to 3 separate lanes for obvious separate areas.
There seemed to be just one lane going west.
I wonder are there similal on the M4 as i expect more traffic here..

senordingdong · 19-09-2020 9:39am

Pkiernan wrote: »

Im struggling to find what powers the Gardai have to prevent people in Dublin crossing the countys border.

What punishments are applicable in the case that a Dublin resident drives across into Meath for example?

It's complicated.
If you're stopped by them, gardaí may instruct/order you to turn back. Refusing to comply with an instruction/order of AGS is an entry separate offence and it's not likely every garda you meet will be fully savvy of the jurisprudence surrounding the matter and will likely adhere to simplified version in the orders he was given.

If it went to court you'd 'win' but it's a tremendous amount of hassle in between.

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 9:45am

senordingdong wrote: »

It's complicated.
If you're stopped by them, gardaí may instruct/order you to turn back. Refusing to comply with an instruction/order of AGS is an entry separate offence and it's not likely every garda you meet will be fully savvy of the jurisprudence surrounding the matter and will likely adhere to simplified version in the orders he was given.

If it went to court you'd 'win' but it's a tremendous amount of hassle in between.

Why waste court time with this.
On the spot fine is the only way
This for me a waste of time.
The Gardai have the technology on where the car lives.
If it outside a given area pull it over and ask why its there.

Blingy · 19-09-2020 9:54am

EB_2013 wrote: »

Meanwhile the Gardai setting up pointless roadblocks while they could be sorting other more important issues out.

Is this actually likely? That there will be road blocks from today?

Pkiernan · 19-09-2020 9:56am

maestroamado wrote: »

Why waste court time with this.
On the spot fine is the only way
This for me a waste of time.
The Gardai have the technology on where the car lives.
If it outside a given area pull it over and ask why its there.

Are all train, bus and coach journeys prohibited?

If not, then how would fining drivers work?

EB_2013 · 19-09-2020 9:59am

Blingy wrote: »

Is this actually likely? That there will be road blocks from today?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-gardai-to-target-popular-getaway-spots-to-discourage-mass-exodus-from-dublin-39543937.html

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 10:02am

Pkiernan wrote: »

Are all train, bus and coach journeys prohibited?

If not, then how would fining drivers work?

I do not understand what you mean in second line..

senordingdong · 19-09-2020 10:16am

maestroamado wrote: »

Why waste court time with this.
On the spot fine is the only way
This for me a waste of time.
The Gardai have the technology on where the car lives.
If it outside a given area pull it over and ask why its there.

Court time gets wasted all the time
How can they fine you on the spot if you're not in breach of anything?
All Gardai don't have the technology only a select number of garda vehicles have anpr tech. Cars are mobile, don't really live anywhere. Plenty of legitimate reasons to cross borders still and if the Gardai do pull you over to ask you why you are where you are, we are all back to the question in the first post.

Pkiernan · 19-09-2020 10:53am

maestroamado wrote: »

I do not understand what you mean in second line..

Whats the point in fining a guy driving a car across a county border if 300 people can get on a train from Heuston to Cork?

drunkmonkey · 19-09-2020 10:57am

Pkiernan wrote: »

Whats the point in fining a guy driving a car across a county border if 300 people can get on a train from Heuston to Cork?

It's about sending a message.

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 11:19am

Pkiernan wrote: »

Whats the point in fining a guy driving a car across a county border if 300 people can get on a train from Heuston to Cork?

For me it's about making rules and enforcing same.

Not much point in saying the nice Garda let me go.

Your right about trains etc if there be lockdown
Someone needs take charge of this.

seansouth36 · 19-09-2020 12:01pm

The point is even if some who would have driven to Cork get the train instead, the vast majority won't bother. None of these regulations are aimed at 100% enforcement (which, outside of a proper police state, would be impossible), they are about ensuring the majority follow the rules of their own accord. Of course, some people could get the train, but most won't, so in the governments' eyes, the roadblock(s) will have been a success.

ciarang85 · 19-09-2020 12:05pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

no supplies getting through to dublin from Rosslare port

You do realise half of imports come through Dublin port?
Hardly anything comes through rosslare :pac:

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 12:52pm

seansouth36 wrote: »

The point is even if some who would have driven to Cork get the train instead, the vast majority won't bother. None of these regulations are aimed at 100% enforcement (which, outside of a proper police state, would be impossible), they are about ensuring the majority follow the rules of their own accord. Of course, some people could get the train, but most won't, so in the governments' eyes, the roadblock(s) will have been a success.

If the numbers go down it be a success, we have proven by our actions that we need enforcement.
I would not have thought that making and enforcing laws for the well-being of the people the purpose of Government and police.
I would not consider thi as being in a police state...

road_high · 19-09-2020 1:19pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's about sending a message.

The only message I get is how ridiculous and utterly pointless these restrictions are

road_high · 19-09-2020 1:21pm

maestroamado wrote: »

If the numbers go down it be a success, we have proven by our actions that we need enforcement.
I would not have thought that making and enforcing laws for the well-being of the people the purpose of Government and police.
I would not consider thi as being in a police state...

A succes of what? We have been here before...we’ve done this all before a few months ago...if it was an actual success then the exercise would not need repeating so soon again.
To be blunt people like you are in la la land

Happydays2020 · 19-09-2020 1:23pm

Maybe there should be big fines for non-Dublin hotels who accept guests from Dublin?

iamwhoiam · 19-09-2020 1:25pm

I have another question .People seem to have a different view on the meaning

So you can have 6 people from 1 household visit you at any given time
So does this mean you can ONLY have 1 household visit you over the three weeks or does it mean you can have visitors of six people at different times ?
No one seems to know the answer

McGinniesta · 19-09-2020 1:42pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

Im struggling to find what powers the Gardai have to prevent people in Dublin crossing the countys border.

What punishments are applicable in the case that a Dublin resident drives across into Meath for example?

Short of having gardai on every road leaving and entering Dublin 24 hours a day then there is very little that can be done.

I have a further question. If these restrictions do not work as intended then what will the next steps be.

It's fair to say that there wasn't a lot of information surrounding covid the first time we went into lockdown. However, if restrictions fail for a second time with more information would it be reasonable to question the effectiveness of the restrictions in question.

road_high · 19-09-2020 1:42pm

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Maybe there should be big fines for non-Dublin hotels who accept guests from Dublin?

Or curtain twitchers like yourself could get a life locked at home in your cupboard watching George lee on loop

jasonb · 19-09-2020 1:43pm

Do we know when Dublin being level 3 is currently planned to be lifted? All I've heard so far is '3 weeks', but I can't find an exact date online. So does that mean it's currently planned to be lifted on midnight of Friday 9th October?

I remember the Kildare lockdown was for 2 weeks, but when they said two weeks they actually meant from a Friday night to a Sunday night two weeks later, i.e. 16 days later (which, of course, then got extended anyhow).

Any ideas?

Thanks...

McGinniesta · 19-09-2020 1:45pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

Are all train, bus and coach journeys prohibited?

If not, then how would fining drivers work?

Then you need to ask what have coach drivers done to worsen covid and why should they be fined for something that they may not be responsible for?

We've been told that the main reason for the further spread of covid is house parties and the like.

Why would we hold the likes of restaurant owners, publicans or public transport provider responsible and not these homeowners?

Van.Bosch · 19-09-2020 1:45pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have another question .People seem to have a different view on the meaning

So you can have 6 people from 1 household visit you at any given time
So does this mean you can ONLY have 1 household visit you over the three weeks or does it mean you can have visitors of six people at different times ?
No one seems to know the answer

One household today, another tomorrow is fine.

Glynn was asked this and confirmed, ideally you cut your contacts though but you don’t have to nominate one household for the 3 weeks.

iamwhoiam · 19-09-2020 1:51pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

One household today, another tomorrow is fine.

Glynn was asked this and confirmed, ideally you cut your contacts though but you don’t have to nominate one household for the 3 weeks.

Thank you for the reply . I didn’t hear Glynn but good to know the answer

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 3:37pm

road_high wrote: »

A succes of what? We have been here before...we’ve done this all before a few months ago...if it was an actual success then the exercise would not need repeating so soon again.
To be blunt people like you are in la la land

Look into your crystal ball and advise us all of a possible solution.
I think the whole country in la la land, guidelines we can fallow if we please.
I know exactly what i am doing, i do not think the restrictions being introduced will work as we are really immature in dealing with it...

drunkmonkey · 19-09-2020 3:41pm

McGinniesta wrote: »

Short of having gardai on every road leaving and entering Dublin 24 hours a day then there is very little that can be done.

Some times the simplest solution is the best..

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Happydays2020 · 19-09-2020 5:33pm

road_high wrote: »

Or curtain twitchers like yourself could get a life locked at home in your cupboard watching George lee on loop

Maybe you should reset your sarcasm detector.

This lockdown is ridiculous and people from outside Dublin rejoicing in it is stupid in the extreme.

AUDI20 · 19-09-2020 5:38pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You'll be pinned to the ground against your will for not complying with some implied law that doesn't seem to exist.
The Government were pulled up on this two week ago and have went against all legal experts in how there communicating what is and isn't lawful for people to do.

You do know what the word "Advisory' means.

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 7:25pm

You have to question our mentality as a people and I just heard an example on the news.
Listowel races are on next week and despite the fact people cannot attend there is an expectation will travel to Listowel.

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 7:34pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You'll be pinned to the ground against your will for not complying with some implied law that doesn't seem to exist.
The Government were pulled up on this two week ago and have went against all legal experts in how there communicating what is and isn't lawful for people to do.

If the Government can be pulled up by lawyers for making laws to protect the people and their families who democratically into office to do this I would suggest we have a serious problem.
This problem being legal profession, are lawyers running this Country...

senordingdong · 19-09-2020 7:47pm

maestroamado wrote: »

If the Government can be pulled up by lawyers for making laws to protect the people and their families who democratically into office to do this I would suggest we have a serious problem.
This problem being legal profession, are lawyers running this Country...

Yes, the government being beholden to laws and the Constitution is a serious problem.
Christ

drunkmonkey · 19-09-2020 8:24pm

maestroamado wrote: »

If the Government can be pulled up by lawyers for making laws to protect the people and their families who democratically into office to do this I would suggest we have a serious problem.
This problem being legal profession, are lawyers running this Country...

Who are they protecting exactly, were long past the point of unintended consequences. They've destroyed people's livelyhoods, we've over 700,000 waiting for a hospital appointment, our social interactions are outlawed. To top it off we have a younger generation who think this is normal and an older generation that think the younger generation should be locked up because they won't stop having house Party's.
We've a serious problem and if you think career gombeen politicans are the ones to save us your very much mistaken.

We need the legal profession to stop this Abuse of Power. What's there doing is legally dubious at best.

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 9:25pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Who are they protecting exactly, were long past the point of unintended consequences. They've destroyed people's livelyhoods, we've over 700,000 waiting for a hospital appointment, our social interactions are outlawed. To top it off we have a younger generation who think this is normal and an older generation that think the younger generation should be locked up because they won't stop having house Party's.
We've a serious problem and if you think career gombeen politicans are the ones to save us your very much mistaken.

We need the legal profession to stop this Abuse of Power. What's there doing is legally dubious at best.

You have a valid point.
It may be we should all do as we please and it takes who it takes.

Insidious · 19-09-2020 10:22pm

People need to buy in to it and do their part.. who cares if the gardai can't enforce it.. just do it because it's the right thing to do... Dublin is out if control and needs some temporary measures to slow covid down... That should be all that matters. Is it sh1t? Yes... Is it frustrating? Yes.... Is 2020 crap? Yes... Is it worth it to save lives? Absolutely... We have to suck if up and stay home. It's not the end of the world... It's just getting beyond old..

maestroamado · 19-09-2020 10:35pm

Insidious wrote: »

People need to buy in to it and do their part.. who cares if the gardai can't enforce it.. just do it because it's the right thing to do... Dublin is out if control and needs some temporary measures to slow covid down... That should be all that matters. Is it sh1t? Yes... Is it frustrating? Yes.... Is 2020 crap? Yes... Is it worth it to save lives? Absolutely... We have to suck if up and stay home. It's not the end of the world... It's just getting beyond old..

Youare absolutely right and as someone said here Government challenged by lawyers for me is crazy.
Each person is responsible for to make sure they do not pass-it-on as we have no control of how we might contact.
I was listening to radio after announcement yesterday and there was business interests in straight away about their concerns.
We are so IMMATURE about covid??

Qprmeath · 20-09-2020 9:48am

https://twitter.com/darraghmccullou/status/1307589718528454657?s=21
Rave North County Dublin this morning

Happydays2020 · 20-09-2020 10:29am

At least it was outside.

ShyMets · 20-09-2020 11:06am

I travelled from the North Circular Road to Leixlip yesterday for child care purposes. Not a Garda insight

road_high · 20-09-2020 11:08am

They were very mannerly and cleared out of his way in ten mins. No big deal, just young people drinking and having fun. Twenty years ago we did stuff like this as teens too.
Course the usual outrage brigade wanted the Gardai there. All he needed was then to move and he could get into cut his crops with the combine harvester

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