Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

eastie17 · 18-09-2020 01:48PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Belgium just notified 2,028 new cases.
Netherlands 1,974

Big spikes all over Europe. What have all these countries got in common?

Chocolate?

2ndcoming · 18-09-2020 01:48PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Belgium just notified 2,028 new cases.
Netherlands 1,974

Big spikes all over Europe. What have all these countries got in common?

Neoliberal free market capitalism?

18-09-2020 01:49PM

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/kildare-primary-school-told-to-close-by-hse-over-fears-of-major-covid-outbreak/ar-BB19a3KQ?li=BBr5KbJ

Home of the meat plant cluster eh!! they will blame it on the "private homes" now. People are not listening and all that craic.. this has gone like a box of matches since the meat plant clusters just before the school's opened.

podgeandrodge · 18-09-2020 01:49PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Belgium just notified 2,028 new cases.
Netherlands 1,974

Big spikes all over Europe. What have all these countries got in common?

I might be inclined to debate with you, but you only offer sarcastic responses

mandrake04 · 18-09-2020 01:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

New Zealand are entering their worst economic downturn since the Great depression. People are already starting to turn there.

Well at the moment cases are pretty low they only have 70 active cases and the whole country is at alert level 2 and everything is open, their hospitals and health systems are not in danger of breaking and they they have summer and Christmas to look forward to. They just have to keep ticking over until next year same as all the other countries around the world waiting on a vaccine...same as Ireland

Ireland still has 6-7 uncertain months where it could get a lot worse.

lawred2 · 18-09-2020 01:49PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Belgium just notified 2,028 new cases.
Netherlands 1,974

Big spikes all over Europe. What have all these countries got in common?

humans susceptible to viruses?

TonyMaloney · 18-09-2020 01:50PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I might be inclined to debate with you, but you only offer sarcastic responses

I'm so, so sorry

Funsterdelux · 18-09-2020 01:51PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Neoliberal free market capitalism?

Shush, you cant bad mouth the economy.

Eod100 · 18-09-2020 01:52PM

Does this mean all deaths are being tested for covid post mortem or randomly? Puts a different spin on this. https://twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1306937863012057090?s=19

ACitizenErased · 18-09-2020 01:54PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Does this mean all deaths are being tested for covid post mortem or randomly? Puts a different spin on this. https://twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1306937863012057090?s=19

They must have all been asymptomatic, which is strange. Would expect at least 1 to have symptoms.

Boggles · 18-09-2020 01:55PM

Fúcking Hell.

Sounds like "Weekend at Bernies".

Ger Roe · 18-09-2020 01:55PM

harr wrote: »

Will they wait till this evening to tell us about restrictions? We have communion in Dublin tomorrow and family have no idea if it’s going to be happening or not. Telling people at 6 pm that restrictions start at 12 midnight is so unfair.
Same happened here Laois , everything had to cancelled with less than 12 hours notice.
On another note will closing all restaurants and pubs not be counterproductive and encourage people to hold more party’s in houses.

It probably will be later this afternoon/evening. But they are not waiting for the sake of it, there is a process to go through and it takes time. It is tough on everyone, but we are in a pandemic situation and things change... often - future planning is a futile exercise at the moment, even with a recently published plan. Like the last one, it will be discarded as soon as it is required to deviate from it,

I think they should come clean and just say that they will act as and when needed, the plan is an aspiration, not a stone cast fact. If all goes according to plan, then the plan will be followed, if not.... all bets are off - that's what happened to the last plan also when the good news was rushed out and the back to normality timeline was telescoped down into a few days. Then Leo exited stage left and handed over to Micheal, knowing full well that he will have to reverse the good news in the near future. Good cop FG .... bad cop FF.

If people are idiotic and selfish enough to party in their own houses, then it will only extend the uncertainty and disruption.

Fr_Dougal · 18-09-2020 01:56PM

Ffs, pubs and restaurants have been open since the end of June and there wasn’t a surge. A couple of weeks after schools open and we have a dramatic increase in cases.

Yet you have these ‘experts’ scratching their heads wondering what happened. And their response? Close the bars and restaurants in Dublin.

The mind boggles.

Hurrache · 18-09-2020 01:56PM

seamus wrote: »

Sure. But why restaurants specifically? Closing indoor dining is not part of level 3. Why not level 3 with no visitors to your home? Or level 3 with weddings restricted to 6?

I accept Phlip Nolan's rationale, but if that's what should be happening, then Dublin should be moved to level 4, not level 3 with an asterisk.

It all comes across as very ad-hoc. NPHET want to jump Dublin to level 4. You shouldn't really ever jump 2 levels at once; it indicates you've failed to react in good time.

The 5 Level roadmap is a farce, has been from the moment it was announcement with 2 and a bit and all that nonsense. I think it has shackled them when they try to adapt to an ever evolving scenario, and as a result, makes what they want to do seem odd as they don't fit into a neat category.

igCorcaigh · 18-09-2020 01:56PM

Are any people who test positive asked if they were in a bar/restaurant/gym/church/hairdressers etc during the past two weeks?

Would a survey like that be useful or even feasible?

Eod100 · 18-09-2020 01:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They must have all been asymptomatic, which is strange. Would expect at least 1 to have symptoms.

Maybe person who died was and then some or all developed symptoms. Not being funny but how does someone who died have their contact traced either? Through next of kin I wonder?

Funsterdelux · 18-09-2020 01:57PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Does this mean all deaths are being tested for covid post mortem or randomly? Puts a different spin on this. https://twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1306937863012057090?s=19

So if that person didnt die and get tested those 20 could have passed it on to their households.

And if they eventually got sypmtoms and got tested the system wouldnt have traced it to their event

Eod100 · 18-09-2020 01:58PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Are any people who test positive asked if they were in a bar/restaurant/gym/church/hairdressers etc during the past two weeks?

Would a survey like that be useful or even feasible?

You'd hope so because casual contacts may need to be contact traced in certain instances.

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 01:58PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Ffs, pubs and restaurants have been open since the end of June and there wasn’t a surge. A couple of weeks after schools open and we have a dramatic increase in cases.

Yet you have these ‘experts’ scratching their heads wondering what happened. And their response? Close the bars and restaurants in Dublin.

The mind boggles.

They are picking at things that can reduce numbers in contact, along with the travel advice and visitors message.

yourdeadwright · 18-09-2020 01:59PM

The latest group of people who caused this cluster in #offaly are a group of 60+ and 70+ year olds! They were socialising, playing gigs (which they're not supposed to) sharing microphones and playing golf. They've brought this back to #dublinlockdown can we lay off blaming the

TonyMaloney · 18-09-2020 01:59PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Maybe person who died was and then some or all developed symptoms. Not being funny but how does someone who died have their contact traced either? Through next of kin I wonder?

Well, you could start by asking all the people who were present at the golfing weekend when the person suddenly died.

ninebeanrows · 18-09-2020 01:59PM

This joke is getting less funny by the day.

What a disgrace.

seamus · 18-09-2020 02:00PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Does this mean all deaths are being tested for covid post mortem or randomly? Puts a different spin on this.

All deaths are being tested for covid so that appropriate measures can be put in place if necessary.

This is another (anecdotal) example of this new phenomenon where covid appears to be popping up everywhere incidentally without causing any symptoms.

Best case scenario it means the virus is far less serious than it appears to be.

Worst case scenario the testing infrastructure is a mess and false positives are high.

TonyMaloney · 18-09-2020 02:00PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

This joke is getting less funny by the day.

What a disgrace.

In fairness, almost all jokes do that.

igCorcaigh · 18-09-2020 02:00PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You'd hope so because casual contacts may need to be contact traced in certain instances.

Sure, but along with contact tracing, a survey like this might be useful in estimating risky settings?

Stheno · 18-09-2020 02:00PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Are any people who test positive asked if they were in a bar/restaurant/gym/church/hairdressers etc during the past two weeks?

Would a survey like that be useful or even feasible?

No they only ask for your contact details for the two days prior to getting tested iirc

Hurrache · 18-09-2020 02:03PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Ffs, pubs and restaurants have been open since the end of June and there wasn’t a surge. A couple of weeks after schools open and we have a dramatic increase in cases.

Yet you have these ‘experts’ scratching their heads wondering what happened. And their response? Close the bars and restaurants in Dublin.

The mind boggles.

The explanation was posted several times.

18-09-2020 02:03PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Ffs, pubs and restaurants have been open since the end of June and there wasn’t a surge. A couple of weeks after schools open and we have a dramatic increase in cases.

Yet you have these ‘experts’ scratching their heads wondering what happened. And their response? Close the bars and restaurants in Dublin.

The mind boggles.

If school reopening is going to lead to a surge it would be too soon to see it yet.

Since the re-opening in June people have been relaxing their guard more and more. That is natural. But the build up happens gradually before it surges.

Fr_Dougal · 18-09-2020 02:06PM

1641 wrote: »

If school reopening is going to lead to a surge it would be too soon to see it yet.

Since the re-opening in June people have been relaxing their guard more and more. That is natural. But the build up happens gradually before it surges.

Really? Then why are schools closing? Why are entire classes being sent home and told to isolate?

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 02:07PM

1641 wrote: »

If school reopening is going to lead to a surge it would be too soon to see it yet.

Since the re-opening in June people have been relaxing their guard more and more. That is natural. But the build up happens gradually before it surges.

I'm not sure it will as they are keeping a really obsessive eye on it. If all else falls around them the government will want to be able to point to that as a success.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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