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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #6272
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    CiarraiManc wrote: »
    Let's cut the bs, if Killeen was calling for pubs to be opened and for everyone to carry on business as usual he'd be a hero on here. Lads here have an aversion to hard truths

    He is a hero on here.


  • #6273
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,394 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Actually it's not, that's the DoH remit. They have wide range of contributors on NPHET, including some in the behavioural and economic spheres. Proportionate measures is their motto.

    I take your point.


  • #6274
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,723 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    OwenM wrote:
    It was never a good time to listen to them, 'Zero Covid' is a dangerous fallacy, it didn't work in New Zealand and it won't work here.
    New Zealand have circa 1800 cases in total to this point and something like 17 cases in the last week.
    You think our 1650+ cases in the last week is a better solution?
    You think our 1789 deaths is a better solution than New Zealand's 25 deaths?

    Tell me how you come to the conclusion that New Zealand is failing?


  • #6275
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eagle eye wrote: »
    New Zealand have circa 1800 cases in total to this point and something like 17 cases in the last week.
    You think our 1650+ cases in the last week is a better solution?
    You think our 1789 deaths is a better solution than New Zealand's 25 deaths?

    Tell me how you come to the conclusion that New Zealand is failing?
    They are not but they threw a party when they beat it the first or was it the second time? There is no place for hubris with this.


  • #6276
    billybonkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Chances of Offaly moving to level 3 because if Tullamore outbreak??


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  • #6277
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Pubs and restaurants.

    People from multiple households maskless around tables.

    Are we allowed mentions Airborne transmission yet?

    Or will we pretend for another few weeks that doesn't happen either?


  • #6278
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    So this is the international evidence they speak of. Not exactly a similar comparison Ireland v USA. Oh and its 107 participants
    https://twitter.com/christinafinn8/status/1306890278314405888?s=19

    US people visit restaurants much more frequently than Irish people do so of course people had done so in the previous 5 days.


  • #6279
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whats more ACE, is there was no statistical difference in that study between restaurants and other enclosed public areas, but the headline conclusion was restaurants bad. What the data from the study said was you were more likely to get covid if you don't stay home all the time. Groundbreaking
    Boggles wrote: »
    You are calling out a study that someone on twitter claims NPHET is using.

    And you are getting quite irate about it.

    Use you common sense.

    Community transmission is not happening exclusively at the petrol pumps.

    It is happening indoors, where masks are not being worn.

    Where does that happen?

    Read my original post - enclosed public spaces.

    And why are you projecting emotions suggesting I am irate onto a comment on the statistical validity of studies? I tend not to get too emotional about statistical hypothesis testing


  • #6280
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,252 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    is_that_so wrote: »
    But spreading to multiple other households through a whole lot of contacts in social situations.

    Sure, I totally get that but this statement of households are the problem doesn't really acknowledge that we all live in households with other people and it's always going to spread easily in households no matter what - and it has to be originally introduced to a household from somewhere as well: it doesn't just spontaneously generate in the living room.

    I also wonder about the effectiveness of our ability to get to the root cause of many household outbreaks - our contact tracing only goes back, what 72 hours - even that? - and the incubation period can be multiples of that.


  • #6281
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Chances of Offaly moving to level 3 because if Tullamore outbreak??

    Zero, because the eejits are back in Dublin


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  • #6282
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    So, after tonight possibly:

    I won't be going to the pub for a few pints twice a week
    Pub won't be getting the food from the nearby restaurants that were providing the food requirement, so those restaurants will lose significant business.
    Will be cancelling 10 nights hotel accommodation booked outside Dublin for early October, so significant loss of income there.
    Won't be eating in all the restaurants that we would have been while away or having a few drinks in the pubs.

    That's just me. Multiply that by thousands of other people.

    Can only imagine the economic damage that going backwards will cause here. And haven't been given a convincing argument that any of this is achieving anything other than spreading out cases over a longer period.


  • #6283
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Read my original post - enclosed public spaces.

    Yes. The other enclosed public spaces masks are mandatory.

    They are not mandatory or worn in pubs and restaurants by the customers.

    Also I don't drink pints when I am doing the shop in Tesco.

    I'd like to, it would certainly make that chore a bit easier to bare.


  • #6284
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,394 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Zero, because the eejits are back in Dublin

    Offaly had just come out of lockdown, they could have got it there.


  • #6285
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    When will we know for definite about Dublin restrictions?


  • #6286
    Busi_Girl08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,553 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    When will we know for definite about Dublin restrictions?

    This evening for the official announcement but it should be leaked out beforehand later in the afternoon


  • #6287
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    Yes. The other enclosed public spaces masks are mandatory.

    They are not mandatory or worn in pubs and restaurants by the customers.

    Also I don't drink pints when I am doing the shop in Tesco.

    I'd like to, it would certainly make that chore a bit easier to bare.

    I have said I believe the proposed measures are warranted. We don't need to go to restaurants, we do need to go to the supermarket and that's the difference.


  • #6288
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,415 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    When will we know for definite about Dublin restrictions?

    Around 6pm this evening with them coming in to place at midnight tonight would be the what was done in the past.


  • #6289
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Offaly had just come out of lockdown, they could have got it there.

    No they didn't,they were only there for 2 days,not a hope they picked it up there and spread it in that time frame


  • #6290
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    eagle eye wrote: »
    New Zealand have circa 1800 cases in total to this point and something like 17 cases in the last week.
    You think our 1650+ cases in the last week is a better solution?
    You think our 1789 deaths is a better solution than New Zealand's 25 deaths?

    Tell me how you come to the conclusion that New Zealand is failing?


    New Zealand are entering their worst economic downturn since the Great depression. People are already starting to turn there.


  • #6291
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So, after tonight possibly:

    I won't be going to the pub for a few pints twice a week
    Pub won't be getting the food from the nearby restaurants that were providing the food requirement, so those restaurants will lose significant business.
    Will be cancelling 10 nights hotel accommodation booked outside Dublin for early October, so significant loss of income there.
    Won't be eating in all the restaurants that we would have been while away or having a few drinks in the pubs.

    That's just me. Multiply that by thousands of other people.

    Can only imagine the economic damage that going backwards will cause here. And haven't been given a convincing argument that any of this is achieving anything other than spreading out cases over a longer period.

    Spreading out cases over a longer period is exactly the point. It's intended to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed, it has been the stated objective since day one.


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  • #6292
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1306920429873963010?s=20


  • #6293
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    niallo27 wrote: »
    New Zealand are entering their worst economic downturn since the Great depression. People are already starting to turn there.
    If there's no economic activity to maintain a health service it's counterproductive in the longer term. Ireland massively cut investment in health to fund a bail out of the banks, so it has no problem with people dying when it suits. We need to see where the economy goes over the next 3 - 10 years to see was the covid crash and borrow worth it.


  • #6294
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Spreading out cases over a longer period is exactly the point. It's intended to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed, it has been the stated objective since day one.

    Yep, correct. It was the point from the beginning. Are hospitals near being overwhelmed at the moment? Have they gone back to the private hospitals to get capacity or have they not needed to yet?

    Seems a bit early to be closing the economy right now.

    We flattened the curve originally. Now we are trying to flatten the economy beyond repair. IMO correct approach would have been to deal with clusters like they had being doing and not encouraging house parties - which will mushroom now if restaurants/pubs close.


  • #6295
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    niallo27 wrote: »
    New Zealand are entering their worst economic downturn since the Great depression. People are already starting to turn there.

    No they arn't.

    Every economy is tanking.

    It's a given, it's how fast they bounce back which is key.

    IT's predicted to bounce back fast in NZ.
    We expect the June quarter's record-breaking GDP decline to be followed by a record-breaking rise in the September quarter," said Westpac Senior Economist Michael Gordon.

    Basically if the graph representing your economy resembles a V by the end of the next 2 quarters, you are doing it right.


  • #6296
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Spreading out cases over a longer period is exactly the point. It's intended to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed, it has been the stated objective since day one.

    Exactly this. Everything so far is going to the original plan. Flatten the curve was the aim. Spread cases out over a longer period.


  • #6297
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yep, correct. It was the point from the beginning. Are hospitals near being overwhelmed at the moment? Have they gone back to the private hospitals to get capacity or have they not needed to yet?

    Seems a bit early to be closing the economy right now.

    We flattened the curve originally. Now we are trying to flatten the economy beyond repair. IMO correct approach would have been to deal with clusters like they had being doing and not encouraging house parties - which will mushroom now if restaurants/pubs close.

    Agreed. we should wait for our hospitals to be overwhelmed before we do anything.

    Don't want to be too hasty


  • #6298
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,734 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Its not even a question of the economy anymore. Lockdown, let it spread everyone is facing downturns. Ireland and Sweden both took different routes and both economies are ****ed.

    My bigger concern is knock on health effects of restrictions/lockdown for the population as a whole. This is immeasurable and we will be feeling the effects of this year for years to come. Mental health, every day screening, our childrens education, special needs children regressing. There is more in society that are vulnerable than just our elderly and people with long term physical conditions.


  • #6299
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306928306449772550?s=19


  • #6300
    Josey Wales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭Josey Wales


    Does anyone know the turnaround time for results of a test?

    Someone I know has a test scheduled for this afternoon.


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  • #6301
    billybonkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    When will we know for definite about Dublin restrictions?

    It's going to level 3, no indoors dining anywhere, 15 max outdoors. 3 weeks initially can extend if required. No leaving county except for essential purposes. Weddings max 25


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