Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

growleaves · 17-09-2020 09:33PM

Plenty here talking about my area is good numbers wise. A small bit distasteful in polite conversation.

I hear cork is doing great. We are great at giving ourselves a pat on the back. You wouldn't catch a swede doing that.

Well okay but that is regionalism. Many Irish are embarrassed by personal compliments.

17-09-2020 09:33PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

If the Dubs flock to the West they'll probably get the American treatment, 'Did you self isolate?'.

What about all the country folk living in Dublin bringing home the washing?

speckle · 17-09-2020 09:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Death is guaranteed, for everyone. When and how is the only uncertainty.

Yes however,
'Death is but, a mid point in life ' for some...

political analyst · 17-09-2020 09:33PM

Is the government aiming to eradicate the virus by having regional lockdowns?

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 09:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

But can people not see how stupid it is when there's these quite obvious loopholes.

You close controlled environments and basically funnel people back into houses.

Last week they wanted to keep these open and open pubs to bring people out of houses into controlled settings

My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

17-09-2020 09:37PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

Not just in Dublin in my experience few in Carlow town too.

Jim_Hodge · 17-09-2020 09:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Teachers in limbo. App says close contact, department says not.
Not a nice position for anyone to be in.

https://twitter.com/emma_okelly/status/1306644986340036610?s=20

HSE also said the App had 'made a mistake'.

alentejo · 17-09-2020 09:38PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

The evidence would tend to suggest that the home is the most risky environment not necessarily pubs.

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 09:38PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

It will be far easier to control licensed premises than private homes. History has shown this.

I don’t disagree that there is an issue. I just think the response is misguided. The problem is not in regulated premises, rather the contrary.

NPHET want another lockdown but the people are not with them on this one - in March it was the people who demanded it.

Balmed Out · 17-09-2020 09:39PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

What would you suggest?
Same restrictions all over the country or no extra ones for Dublin?
Or have a referendum to change the constitution to allow guards effectively police houses?

Think a clear narrative of don't go inside another's home. The peer pressure to stand apart, wear masks etc is absent behind closed doors so would prefer that and business given the opportunity to trade with exceptions for carers etc

I think most people try to follow the rules and will follow the norms they see about them, if there's confusion etc compliance breaks down as people copy what they see others doing. If its passing via people mixing in each others homes and we want to actively try to reduce it than a clear and consistent message will go further than anything the guards will do.

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 09:39PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

My opinion was that many pubs that are not enforcing or complying with the whole food and distancing are causing this spread in Dublin.

Then you come along, MrRational , and I agree it would be better to have them in a controlled environment .

But that is the crux of the matter ...if pubs aren't complying , which quite a few in Dublin are not , and people are not telling contact tracers how they were rocking in Camden St a week ago , and the guards can't be arsed chasing down the pubs that are the problem , what hope have we with this ?

And don't anyone come back to me and say that ALL pubs are compliant , because they are not !

Was there not meant to be powers for the Guards to shut down non compliant pubs? Or is that coming when the pint pubs reopen?
Maybe if they enforce it, compliance will increase. Can't imagine many pubs would like to be shut down on the spot.

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 09:39PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

HSE also said the App had 'made a mistake'.

Indeed the app is in line with the HSE approach.

John O.Groats · 17-09-2020 09:40PM

Hego Damask wrote: »

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Are we all dead yet ?

Clinically dead ? No? it would seem however that quite a few are brain dead though I very much doubt that Covid can be blamed for that.

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 09:40PM

In a practical sense, this amounts to closing pubs and restaurants. We don't have the weather for outdoor dining.

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 09:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Dan O' Brien talking sense on TV3, down with that sort of thing.

Economist of think thank makes me feel better. He is so concerned for young people.

WHO's mike Ryan says we don't know about the long term effects for young people.

Meanwhile we will need 2 cases in a class for any restrictions to occur. Great stuff.

https://twitter.com/AlbertoAngelo17/status/1306609814018162688?s=20

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 09:41PM

School in Celbridge closed down due to an outbreak.

Gael23 · 17-09-2020 09:42PM

alentejo wrote: »

The minister claimed that the restrictions would be in place for 2 or 3 weeks. Watch this space. Will be there for at least 6 to 8 weeks!

That will cause massive jib losses. The government cant preside over that

speckle · 17-09-2020 09:43PM

political analyst wrote: »

Is the government aiming to eradicate the virus by having regional lockdowns?

Was thinking about that, early on today, and the whole phase thing/only 2 allowed...it would pretty unfair say on cork and kerry if they should be in phase one but are put up to phase 3, just because of the rest of the country.

So possibly in the future, if a whole province is at phase one technically no matter how bad Dublin/whoever is the should have it... or I see a break down of their 5.whatever phase plan if not 'civil war:D'

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 09:43PM

Will these measures last 2 or 3 weeks?

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 09:43PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Think a clear narrative of don't go inside another's home. The peer pressure to stand apart, wear masks etc is absent behind closed doors so would prefer that and business given the opportunity to trade with exceptions for carers etc

I think most people try to follow the rules and will follow the norms they see about them, if there's confusion etc compliance breaks down as people copy what they see others doing. If its passing via people mixing in each others homes and we want to actively try to reduce it than a clear and consistent message will go further than anything the guards will do.

Despite the governments utter shambles of getting messages across, I think the dogs on the street know houses are the issue. It's about self compliance, no number of messages and pleads from the government are going to change that.

What's next, pubs open, house parties continue.... pubs charging too much for a pint, maybe reduce the taxes on a pint to entice people from house to pubs?

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 09:44PM

Brid Smith wants a Covid tax on alcohol sales to fund the PUP.

billybonkers · 17-09-2020 09:44PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Will these measures last 2 or 3 weeks?

Months most likely until cases drop way off

little bess · 17-09-2020 09:46PM

Big cluster linked to hotel in Tullamore

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1306709635219496962?s=20

Balmed Out · 17-09-2020 09:47PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Despite the governments utter shambles of getting messages across, I think the dogs on the street know houses are the issue. It's about self compliance, no number of messages and pleads from the government are going to change that.

What's next, pubs open, house parties continue.... pubs charging too much for a pint, maybe reduce the taxes on a pint to entice people from house to pubs?

Most of the mingling in homes isnt the parties that get the headlines its cousins, friends etc. If there's a clear message to stop that the curtain twitching of neighbors is enough to stop the majority of it. Societal norms of behavior cause most people to behave accordingly most of the time.

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 09:47PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Months most likely until cases drop way off

The daily case increase in Dublin is no where near what we had at the height of the pandemic, so I would say months is a little too long

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 09:48PM

little bess wrote: »

Big cluster linked to hotel in Tullamore

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1306709635219496962?s=20

No social distancing in that place obviously.

Arghus · 17-09-2020 09:49PM

Eoghan Corry - "It's got nothing to do with travel."

Aside from when it got here in the first place.

political analyst · 17-09-2020 09:49PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0917/1165889-dublin-restaurants-cabinet-nphet/

A spokesperson for the LVA, which represents Dublin publicans, said the proposal would put Dublin city and county at Level 3 of the plan; bars serving food, restaurants and cafes at Level 4; with wet pubs at a level stricter than Level 5.

He also questioned "why is NPHET focusing on the hospitality sector, when the latest data from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows such a low number of cases linked to bars serving food."

Why is the hospitality sector being singled out by NPHET? Restaurants and cafés and pubs that serve food in Dublin are being punished for something that is not their fault. Isn't that collective punishment?

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 09:50PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Was there not meant to be powers for the Guards to shut down non compliant pubs? Or is that coming when the pint pubs reopen?
Maybe if they enforce it, compliance will increase. Can't imagine many pubs would like to be shut down on the spot.

Asked to comply, then if not shut for 48hours ,then it all goes round again . Guards are fed up . Have been asked to comply and they still don't, then they should be shut for 1 month or 2 at least .
It's this governments half in half out handling that has these fxxxers thumbing their noses at the guards .
I know 2 pubs personally where this has happened .
One started to comply after being shut twice and the other is on its fourth " chance " .
They don't care because they reckon if their regulars know that they can drink and stay as long as they want they will still come safe ir not .
It is very disingenuous of people here to say it is coming from house parties alone when this is going on .

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 09:50PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Most of the mingling in homes isnt the parties that get the headlines its cousins, friends etc. If there's a clear message to stop that the curtain twitching of neighbors is enough to stop the majority of it. Societal norms of behavior cause most people to behave accordingly most of the time.

Oh I know, Communion and Confirmation parties are ongoing also.
And when I say party, I don't mean strangers in the house, I know it can be extended family also as shown in the reports.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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