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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Look back for yourself. It's you making the accusations. I feel no need to defend myself.

    Yet you sought to defend yourself, and accuse others in your previous post..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    How convenient that the allegations are made less than 7 weeks before the election :rolleyes:

    I guarantee you that there will be a few more of these allegations before the election.

    Unlike the Republicans startling revelation weeks before the 2016 election, totally innocent and just bad timing huh? :rolleyes:

    Are you dismissing the womans claim solely on the timing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    We're looking into this very strongly. Did you you know I have a magnificent golf resort in Ireland, some people say it's the best and nobody's seen anything like it before.

    Donald Trump
    Ah of course...what a big success it has been so far.
    Losing a tonne of money every year up until 2018 anyway when it made a massive 2.9k profit!
    The 113k the Irish government gave to Doonbeg...for his own visit might help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Unlike the Republicans startling revelation weeks before the 2016 election, totally innocent and just bad timing huh? :rolleyes:

    Are you dismissing the womans claim solely on the timing?

    Not dismissing anything allegations are not going to hurt Trumps chances sure he already has 25 against him makes it 26 now with this one.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

    His supporters choose to believe his versions of those events rather than the accusers versions. Just as you and others choose to believe those accusers versions of the those events rather than Trump's versions of those events.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    astrofool wrote: »
    "It'll be great, we have some very smart people working on it"

    4 years later
    :tumbleweed:

    "Mexico will pay for the wall"

    4 years later
    School funds funneled from US military to rebuild already existing wall, that has already started falling over, ladders and tunnels (and angle grinders) still not worried.
    Don't forget the dodgy contracts he gave to some of his supporters to build the wall.

    Or the we build the wall project run by his old mates (4 of which are up on Corruption charges including Steve Bannon)
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/us/politics/trump-bannon-we-build-the-wall.html

    John oliver also did a really good programme on it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Not dismissing anything allegations are not going to hurt Trumps chances sure he already has 25 against him makes it 26 now with this one.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

    His supporters choose to believe his versions of those events rather than the accusers versions. Just as you and others choose to believe those accusers versions of the those events rather than Trump's versions of those events.

    If someone who lived near you had 26 accusations if assault or burglary against them would you believe them to be totally innocent?

    No smoke without fire as they say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    If someone who lived near you had 26 accusations if assault or burglary against them would you believe them to be totally innocent?

    No smoke without fire as they say.

    Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

    Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself ;) .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    https://www.instagram.com/p/CFN-yc0JRz9/?igshid=1ka0xrxn7ujrb

    Trump getting his pants pulled down about him seeking to repeal ACA.. New plan to be unveiled in 2 months maybe less (2019), 3 weeks (2020) ... Never!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Not dismissing anything allegations are not going to hurt Trumps chances sure he already has 25 against him makes it 26 now with this one.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

    His supporters choose to believe his versions of those events rather than the accusers versions. Just as you and others choose to believe those accusers versions of the those events rather than Trump's versions of those events.

    I think that's a fine position to take, if both sides are presenting all the evidence to back up their stories. Trump is fighting tooth and nail to keep his bank records secret, and keep people under NDA to prevent any facts coming out (the facts may back him up, and he might be fighting it just to be contrary).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

    Nice to hear from these posters who'd gladly send their 14 Yr old daughters off to Prince Andrew or Trump for a week unaccompanied


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42



    Well, you say timing, but there has been almost a continuous slew of complaints against Trump since years back.

    H did say himself years back that since he was the owner of the parent he could walk backstage to the ladies dressing room if he wished.

    I assume you have the same thinking about Trump claims about Hunter Biden, or that Joe has dementia?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    astrofool wrote: »
    I think that's a fine position to take, if both sides are presenting all the evidence to back up their stories. Trump is fighting tooth and nail to keep his bank records secret, and keep people under NDA to prevent any facts coming out (the facts may back him up, and he might be fighting it just to be contrary).

    He's got to maintain his image of fighting the system he can't show any weakness or he'd lose plenty of votes, that's the reality of the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Well, you say timing, but there has been almost a continuous slew of complaints against Trump since years back.

    H did say himself years back that since he was the owner of the parent he could walk backstage to the ladies dressing room if he wished.

    I assume you have the same thinking about Trump claims about Hunter Biden, or that Joe has dementia?

    I don't know about Hunter, but I can see for myself when I compare Joe's speeches with a few years back with today that he has some clear mental decline.

    I'm not a doctor so can't say it's dementia or alzhemiers ... but there is something going on, at first I thought it was just his stutter - then I watched him in a debate in 2012 with Mick Romney's running mate ... and to me anyway it's clear.

    Democrats should have gone with Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang.

    I'd get behind either of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

    Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself ;) .

    So you're ok with someone refusing a DNA test in a rape allegation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

    Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself ;) .

    Like for talk sake, Hitler has never stood trial for the killing of Jews.. he'll forever be innocent..

    Makes sense!


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So you're ok with someone refusing a DNA test in a rape allegation?

    It's not just that - The entire case rests on the alleged DNA evidence on the coat/dress that E Jean Carroll says she was wearing on the day.

    I cannot for the life of me understand why a man , confident in his innocence would not provide his DNA sample , clear his name and then sue the woman into oblivion.

    It simply does not make any sense AT ALL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    It's not just that - The entire case rests on the alleged DNA evidence on the coat/dress that E Jean Carroll says she was wearing on the day.

    I cannot for the life of me understand why a man , confident in his innocence would not provide his DNA sample , clear his name and then sue the woman into oblivion.

    It simply does not make any sense AT ALL.

    And an incredibly litigious man at that, who has shown that he will sue at the drop of a hat.

    Surely all he has to do is provide a sample and then sue the other person into the ground for defamation of character? It would be an open and close case for any lawyer if the samples did not match.

    Isn't that what an innocent person would do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,333 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Like for talk sake, Hitler has never stood trial for the killing of Jews.. he'll forever be innocent..

    Makes sense!

    You better not mention Hitler, the zealots will put 2 and 2 together and come up with 7.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,333 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Its not even thinly veiled lads.

    It's nobody else's fault that you don't understand the post, that's all on you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    He's got to maintain his image of fighting the system he can't show any weakness or he'd lose plenty of votes, that's the reality of the situation.

    Ah ya. Not giving your DNA in a rape case is showing you're tough. It's got absolutely nothing to do with hiding your guilt. Nothing at all. Defending a guy who won't give his DNA to a rape case. What a time to be alive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

    Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself ;) .

    Bet you wouldn’t let your kids near that house


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    He's got to maintain his image of fighting the system he can't show any weakness or he'd lose plenty of votes, that's the reality of the situation.

    Withholding evidence is now "fighting the system".

    When you thought the excuses couldn't get any worse one of them will always come along and prove you wrong :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    It's not just that - The entire case rests on the alleged DNA evidence on the coat/dress that E Jean Carroll says she was wearing on the day.

    I cannot for the life of me understand why a man , confident in his innocence would not provide his DNA sample , clear his name and then sue the woman into oblivion.

    It simply does not make any sense AT ALL.

    Well here’s the rub about that: once his DNA is in the judicial domain it can also be applied to any other potential rape lawsuits.

    So, even if Trump really didn’t do this he’s clearly concerned he may have done someone else dirty

    Either way he cannot hide from this case forever as president. He may be trying to run out the limitations on prosecuting defamation though.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    rosser44 wrote: »
    And an incredibly litigious man at that, who has shown that he will sue at the drop of a hat.

    Surely all he has to do is provide a sample and then sue the other person into the ground for defamation of character? It would be an open and close case for any lawyer if the samples did not match.

    Isn't that what an innocent person would do?

    Actually , I think that you'll find that he counter-sues at the drop of a hat , usually to frustrate legitimate legal challenges against him.

    There are actually very few instances where Trump is the instigator of legal proceedings and even fewer where he has actually won a judgement in court.

    Sometimes he manages to frustrate and delay long enough for the other to just give up , but that's not the same as "winning"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That’s definitely his whole schtick. He learned it from Roy Cohn and it’s what makes him an effective sociopath, frustrating the law even when you know you’re in the wrong. There’s no moral center to do the right thing but to do what you can get away with, which in the past was as simple as influencing judges and appealing the bejesus out of everything (we’ve seen it first hand with his administration, even making nakedly indefensible legal arguments only to prolong and delay). Cohn was Trumps greatest mentor, whose philosophy at its core was ‘I don’t want to know what the law is I want to know who the Judge is’

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship

    And now that Trump is responsible for filling court benches with unqualified partisan judges and he has a willing debate to rubber stamp them, the damage to law and order will be catastrophic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Look back for yourself. It's you making the accusations. I feel no need to defend myself.

    So you've no defence for yourself, I'm seeing a parallel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,158 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    How convenient that the allegations are made less than 7 weeks before the election :rolleyes:

    I guarantee you that there will be a few more of these allegations before the election.

    Dead right.

    Sure remember all the allegations of sexual assault running up to George Bush Junior's reelection...

    It's an old democratic tactic this...

    It's all lies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,158 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Dead right.

    Sure remember all the allegations of sexual assault running up to George Bush Junior's reelection...

    It's an old democratic tactic this...

    It's all lies.

    Tara Reade anyone?


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