2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 17-09-2020 11:44AM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Look back for yourself. It's you making the accusations. I feel no need to defend myself.

Yet you sought to defend yourself, and accuse others in your previous post..

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-09-2020 11:45AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How convenient that the allegations are made less than 7 weeks before the election :rolleyes:

I guarantee you that there will be a few more of these allegations before the election.

Unlike the Republicans startling revelation weeks before the 2016 election, totally innocent and just bad timing huh? :rolleyes:

Are you dismissing the womans claim solely on the timing?

gmisk · 17-09-2020 11:47AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

We're looking into this very strongly. Did you you know I have a magnificent golf resort in Ireland, some people say it's the best and nobody's seen anything like it before.

Donald Trump

Ah of course...what a big success it has been so far.
Losing a tonne of money every year up until 2018 anyway when it made a massive 2.9k profit!
The 113k the Irish government gave to Doonbeg...for his own visit might help.

LessOutragePlz · 17-09-2020 11:50AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Unlike the Republicans startling revelation weeks before the 2016 election, totally innocent and just bad timing huh? :rolleyes:

Are you dismissing the womans claim solely on the timing?

Not dismissing anything allegations are not going to hurt Trumps chances sure he already has 25 against him makes it 26 now with this one.

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

His supporters choose to believe his versions of those events rather than the accusers versions. Just as you and others choose to believe those accusers versions of the those events rather than Trump's versions of those events.

gmisk · 17-09-2020 11:51AM

astrofool wrote: »

"It'll be great, we have some very smart people working on it"

4 years later
:tumbleweed:

"Mexico will pay for the wall"

4 years later
School funds funneled from US military to rebuild already existing wall, that has already started falling over, ladders and tunnels (and angle grinders) still not worried.

Don't forget the dodgy contracts he gave to some of his supporters to build the wall.

Or the we build the wall project run by his old mates (4 of which are up on Corruption charges including Steve Bannon)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/us/politics/trump-bannon-we-build-the-wall.html

John oliver also did a really good programme on it

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-09-2020 11:52AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Not dismissing anything allegations are not going to hurt Trumps chances sure he already has 25 against him makes it 26 now with this one.

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

His supporters choose to believe his versions of those events rather than the accusers versions. Just as you and others choose to believe those accusers versions of the those events rather than Trump's versions of those events.

If someone who lived near you had 26 accusations if assault or burglary against them would you believe them to be totally innocent?

No smoke without fire as they say.

LessOutragePlz · 17-09-2020 11:58AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If someone who lived near you had 26 accusations if assault or burglary against them would you believe them to be totally innocent?

No smoke without fire as they say.

Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself

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MeMen2_MoRi_ · 17-09-2020 12:07PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFN-yc0JRz9/?igshid=1ka0xrxn7ujrb

Trump getting his pants pulled down about him seeking to repeal ACA.. New plan to be unveiled in 2 months maybe less (2019), 3 weeks (2020) ... Never!!!

astrofool · 17-09-2020 12:14PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Not dismissing anything allegations are not going to hurt Trumps chances sure he already has 25 against him makes it 26 now with this one.

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

His supporters choose to believe his versions of those events rather than the accusers versions. Just as you and others choose to believe those accusers versions of the those events rather than Trump's versions of those events.

I think that's a fine position to take, if both sides are presenting all the evidence to back up their stories. Trump is fighting tooth and nail to keep his bank records secret, and keep people under NDA to prevent any facts coming out (the facts may back him up, and he might be fighting it just to be contrary).

rosser44 · 17-09-2020 12:17PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

Nice to hear from these posters who'd gladly send their 14 Yr old daughters off to Prince Andrew or Trump for a week unaccompanied

Hector Savage · 17-09-2020 12:20PM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/17/donald-trump-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-former-model-amy-dorris

Good timing alright!!

Such utter predictable nonsense

Leroy42 · 17-09-2020 12:23PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/17/donald-trump-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-former-model-amy-dorris

Good timing alright!!

Such utter predictable nonsense

Well, you say timing, but there has been almost a continuous slew of complaints against Trump since years back.

H did say himself years back that since he was the owner of the parent he could walk backstage to the ladies dressing room if he wished.

I assume you have the same thinking about Trump claims about Hunter Biden, or that Joe has dementia?

LessOutragePlz · 17-09-2020 12:29PM

astrofool wrote: »

I think that's a fine position to take, if both sides are presenting all the evidence to back up their stories. Trump is fighting tooth and nail to keep his bank records secret, and keep people under NDA to prevent any facts coming out (the facts may back him up, and he might be fighting it just to be contrary).

He's got to maintain his image of fighting the system he can't show any weakness or he'd lose plenty of votes, that's the reality of the situation.

Hector Savage · 17-09-2020 12:31PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Well, you say timing, but there has been almost a continuous slew of complaints against Trump since years back.

H did say himself years back that since he was the owner of the parent he could walk backstage to the ladies dressing room if he wished.

I assume you have the same thinking about Trump claims about Hunter Biden, or that Joe has dementia?

I don't know about Hunter, but I can see for myself when I compare Joe's speeches with a few years back with today that he has some clear mental decline.

I'm not a doctor so can't say it's dementia or alzhemiers ... but there is something going on, at first I thought it was just his stutter - then I watched him in a debate in 2012 with Mick Romney's running mate ... and to me anyway it's clear.

Democrats should have gone with Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang.

I'd get behind either of them.

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-09-2020 12:55PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself .

So you're ok with someone refusing a DNA test in a rape allegation?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 17-09-2020 01:02PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself .

Like for talk sake, Hitler has never stood trial for the killing of Jews.. he'll forever be innocent..

Makes sense!

Quin_Dub · 17-09-2020 01:04PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So you're ok with someone refusing a DNA test in a rape allegation?

It's not just that - The entire case rests on the alleged DNA evidence on the coat/dress that E Jean Carroll says she was wearing on the day.

I cannot for the life of me understand why a man , confident in his innocence would not provide his DNA sample , clear his name and then sue the woman into oblivion.

It simply does not make any sense AT ALL.

rosser44 · 17-09-2020 01:38PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It's not just that - The entire case rests on the alleged DNA evidence on the coat/dress that E Jean Carroll says she was wearing on the day.

I cannot for the life of me understand why a man , confident in his innocence would not provide his DNA sample , clear his name and then sue the woman into oblivion.

It simply does not make any sense AT ALL.

And an incredibly litigious man at that, who has shown that he will sue at the drop of a hat.

Surely all he has to do is provide a sample and then sue the other person into the ground for defamation of character? It would be an open and close case for any lawyer if the samples did not match.

Isn't that what an innocent person would do?

extra gravy · 17-09-2020 02:58PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Like for talk sake, Hitler has never stood trial for the killing of Jews.. he'll forever be innocent..

Makes sense!

You better not mention Hitler, the zealots will put 2 and 2 together and come up with 7.

extra gravy · 17-09-2020 03:00PM

WrenBoy wrote: »

Its not even thinly veiled lads.

It's nobody else's fault that you don't understand the post, that's all on you.

ollkiller · 17-09-2020 04:18PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

He's got to maintain his image of fighting the system he can't show any weakness or he'd lose plenty of votes, that's the reality of the situation.

Ah ya. Not giving your DNA in a rape case is showing you're tough. It's got absolutely nothing to do with hiding your guilt. Nothing at all. Defending a guy who won't give his DNA to a rape case. What a time to be alive.

Overheal · 17-09-2020 04:24PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yes I would they could have 100 accusations and I'd still believe them as I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty.

Very easy to create smoke if you start the fires yourself .

Bet you wouldn’t let your kids near that house

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-09-2020 04:25PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

He's got to maintain his image of fighting the system he can't show any weakness or he'd lose plenty of votes, that's the reality of the situation.

Withholding evidence is now "fighting the system".

When you thought the excuses couldn't get any worse one of them will always come along and prove you wrong :pac:

Overheal · 17-09-2020 04:27PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It's not just that - The entire case rests on the alleged DNA evidence on the coat/dress that E Jean Carroll says she was wearing on the day.

I cannot for the life of me understand why a man , confident in his innocence would not provide his DNA sample , clear his name and then sue the woman into oblivion.

It simply does not make any sense AT ALL.

Well here’s the rub about that: once his DNA is in the judicial domain it can also be applied to any other potential rape lawsuits.

So, even if Trump really didn’t do this he’s clearly concerned he may have done someone else dirty

Either way he cannot hide from this case forever as president. He may be trying to run out the limitations on prosecuting defamation though.

Quin_Dub · 17-09-2020 04:32PM

rosser44 wrote: »

And an incredibly litigious man at that, who has shown that he will sue at the drop of a hat.

Surely all he has to do is provide a sample and then sue the other person into the ground for defamation of character? It would be an open and close case for any lawyer if the samples did not match.

Isn't that what an innocent person would do?

Actually , I think that you'll find that he counter-sues at the drop of a hat , usually to frustrate legitimate legal challenges against him.

There are actually very few instances where Trump is the instigator of legal proceedings and even fewer where he has actually won a judgement in court.

Sometimes he manages to frustrate and delay long enough for the other to just give up , but that's not the same as "winning"

Overheal · 17-09-2020 04:38PM

That’s definitely his whole schtick. He learned it from Roy Cohn and it’s what makes him an effective sociopath, frustrating the law even when you know you’re in the wrong. There’s no moral center to do the right thing but to do what you can get away with, which in the past was as simple as influencing judges and appealing the bejesus out of everything (we’ve seen it first hand with his administration, even making nakedly indefensible legal arguments only to prolong and delay). Cohn was Trumps greatest mentor, whose philosophy at its core was ‘I don’t want to know what the law is I want to know who the Judge is’

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship

And now that Trump is responsible for filling court benches with unqualified partisan judges and he has a willing debate to rubber stamp them, the damage to law and order will be catastrophic.

duploelabs · 17-09-2020 05:03PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Look back for yourself. It's you making the accusations. I feel no need to defend myself.

So you've no defence for yourself, I'm seeing a parallel

Tell me how · 17-09-2020 05:05PM

More of the same in 2020.

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1306588609273880576

lawred2 · 17-09-2020 05:11PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

How convenient that the allegations are made less than 7 weeks before the election :rolleyes:

I guarantee you that there will be a few more of these allegations before the election.

Dead right.

Sure remember all the allegations of sexual assault running up to George Bush Junior's reelection...

It's an old democratic tactic this...

It's all lies.

Tell me how · 17-09-2020 05:21PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Dead right.

Sure remember all the allegations of sexual assault running up to George Bush Junior's reelection...

It's an old democratic tactic this...

It's all lies.

Tara Reade anyone?

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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