COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Gael23 · 17-09-2020 01:33PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Truly convenient reliable testing would also allow progress from the present position, e.g. if you had a gadget that could test all students or all employees.

Moderna release data on their vaccine trials.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html

they might know in December, but more likely March, as to whether it works.

Unlikely to be available any time soon then.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 05:12PM

Moderna said very little today other than releasing their protocols for phase 3, they’ll be another while

hmmm · 17-09-2020 05:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Moderna said very little today other than releasing their protocols for phase 3, they’ll be another while

They're hoping for November now for results (but I think it was always November for them).

Bikerman2019 · 17-09-2020 05:56PM

Hiya
Does anyone know the rough turnaround times for tests?

Someone has a covid test in punchestown at 3.30 Friday.

Extended self isolation for the family will be a problem

Oglaigh84 · 17-09-2020 06:13PM

Bikerman2019 wrote: »

Hiya
Does anyone know the rough turnaround times for tests?

Someone has a covid test in punchestown at 3.30 Friday.

Extended self isolation for the family will be a problem

Two tests in 10 days was literally 27 hours to the minute from test to result. Have heard longer though from friends this week, luck of draw I guess

Gael23 · 17-09-2020 06:19PM

hmmm wrote: »

They're hoping for November now for results (but I think it was always November for them).

Is this to start phase 3?

Bikerman2019 · 17-09-2020 06:24PM

Either late on a Friday afternoon?
Do they do weekends?

Oglaigh84 · 17-09-2020 06:28PM

Bikerman2019 wrote: »

Either late on a Friday afternoon?
Do they do weekends?

One was a sunday morning test so definitely working weekends

mcsean2163 · 17-09-2020 06:35PM

The influenza vaccine reduces risk of hospitalisation by 40 - 60%.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm#howeffective

Even with a vaccine what is going to happen? Will we have to wear masks forever?

We're the third most indebted country per capita in the world, how long can we afford to be a lockdown country before our debtors consider us to risky to lend money?

Vestiapx · 17-09-2020 06:40PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

The influenza vaccine reduces risk of hospitalisation by 40 - 60%.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm#howeffective

Even with a vaccine what is going to happen? Will we have to wear masks forever?

We're the third most indebted country per capita in the world, how long can we afford to be a lockdown country before our debtors consider us to risky to lend money?

What is it you think will happen ?

Del Griffith · 17-09-2020 06:41PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

The influenza vaccine reduces risk of hospitalisation by 40 - 60%.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm#howeffective

Even with a vaccine what is going to happen? Will we have to wear masks forever?

We're the third most indebted country per capita in the world, how long can we afford to be a lockdown country before our debtors consider us to risky to lend money?

Sure hospital figures have barely moved at all anyway, and deaths literally haven't increased at all.

Its not even about that anymore, we're now going to restrictions because healthy people are catching a mild illness with little or no symptoms in most cases.

Jim_Hodge · 17-09-2020 06:42PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

The influenza vaccine reduces risk of hospitalisation by 40 - 60%.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm#howeffective

Even with a vaccine what is going to happen? Will we have to wear masks forever?

We're the third most indebted country per capita in the world, how long can we afford to be a lockdown country before our debtors consider us to risky to lend money?

Who knows? Do you?

As for our debtors: We're rated one of the best for credit in the world right now, so worry not.

Atlantic Dawn · 17-09-2020 06:44PM

Mask use and social distancing will reduce the spread of the flu.

mcsean2163 · 17-09-2020 06:50PM

Vestiapx wrote: »

What is it you think will happen ?

I know what I don't want to happen.

- complete destruction of domestic economy
- continued huge borrowings
- rising oil price once global economy resumes due to lack of exploration
- increased interest rates on borrowing
- fiscally prudent EU nations losing patience and looking for Irish concessions
- increased corporation tax in a recession
- continued travel quarantining so no mnc CEOs can realistically visit their Irish operations
- exit of multinationals
- bankrupt country like Greece and taxpayer savings bailed in to banks like Cyprus
- rely on EU for food.

Above situation not ideal.

ExMachina1000 · 17-09-2020 06:51PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Who knows? Do you?

As for our debtors: We're rated one of the best for credit in the world right now, so worry not.

Not necessarily true. We are above average and that's all.

AA- not rated positive, not rated negative . Rated stable

mcsean2163 · 17-09-2020 06:53PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Not necessarily true. We are above average and that's all.

We're still doing ok because we are processing all the EU money for Google et al here at a rate 12.5% that screws over everyone else in the EU.

If that changes....

mcsean2163 · 17-09-2020 06:57PM

Everyone seems to be saying things cannot go back to normal unless we have a vaccine.

If the vaccine is as effective as the influenza vaccine which has been developed for a LONG time. Do we suddenly say, ok, we'll now have roughly half the risk of hospitalisation if covid-19 contracted and that's ok?

Hmmzis · 17-09-2020 08:09PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Is this to start phase 3?

That's for preliminary efficacy results and safety assessment. They're almost done with their phase 3 enrollment.

Captain Red Beard · 17-09-2020 08:37PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Sure hospital figures have barely moved at all anyway, and deaths literally haven't increased at all.

Well that's bollox for a start. There are six times the amount of people in hospital with covid now in comparison to two weeks ago.

ExMachina1000 · 17-09-2020 08:38PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

We're still doing ok because we are processing all the EU money for Google et al here at a rate 12.5% that screws over everyone else in the EU.

If that changes....

Very true. An economy built on matchsticks

xhomelezz · 17-09-2020 08:42PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Sure hospital figures have barely moved at all anyway, and deaths literally haven't increased at all.

Its not even about that anymore, we're now going to restrictions because healthy people are catching a mild illness with little or no symptoms in most cases.

Sure let's wait till the figures will move. We all know hospitals will do fine, won't they? Just order more trolleys, empty hospital carparks to park trolleys there and we are back in business. Not panicking or scaremongering, but just to ask how's the healthcare in Ireland, up to speed?

Beasty · 17-09-2020 09:24PM

Threads merged

Hmmzis · 17-09-2020 09:46PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Everyone seems to be saying things cannot go back to normal unless we have a vaccine.

If the vaccine is as effective as the influenza vaccine which has been developed for a LONG time. Do we suddenly say, ok, we'll now have roughly half the risk of hospitalisation if contracted and that's ok?

Why the comparison with influenza? SARS-cov-2 is a very different beast entirely, I would personally go as far as saying that comparing the two is pointless to the point of being actively misleading.

mcsean2163 · 17-09-2020 11:12PM

Why the comparison with influenza? SARS-cov-2 is a very different beast entirely, I would personally go as far as saying that comparing the two is pointless to the point of being actively misleading.

The only other annual vaccine in the world for over 65s is influenza

https://www.consumerreports.org/vaccines/vaccines-for-seniors/

The genome of the influenza A virus approximately 13.5 kilobases (kb)
The genome size of the SARS-CoV-2 varies from 29.8 kb to 29.9 kb.

Which virus vaccine would you prefer to rate against.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genomes/GenomesGroup.cgi?taxid=10239

There's never been a coronavirus vaccine despite years of effort but now we will have one as good or better than the influenza vaccine? Or do you think it will be worse?

I'm certainly not trying to be misleading and would appreciate if you could share your wisdom on what you think a potential outcome would be.

marno21 · 17-09-2020 11:24PM

The reason we've never had a coronavirus vaccine above all else though is because efforts to find one haven't been adequately resourced. There's no motorway between Cork and Limerick. It's not because it's technically infeasible - it's because it's never been given enough financial resources to get it done

There has never been a greater effort to find a vaccine as this effort. It's getting effectively unlimited funding, and teams all across the world are working on many different prototypes in an effort to find a solution. There's also never been a worldwide investment with such a big payoff as this one, and everyone involved is behind the effort to get it done as soon as possible.

Micky 32 · 18-09-2020 12:07AM

Anyone know the best way and where to get an antibody test?

patnor1011 · 18-09-2020 02:07AM

The article in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet, reporting the results of the Sputnik V vaccine, demonstrated that 100 percent of participants in the clinical trials attained a stable humoral and cellular immune response.

I do not know but disregarding the Russian vaccine despite clearly positive results so far is strange, to say the least. The most obvious reason is that there is a lot of money at stake.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext#articleInformation

Polar101 · 18-09-2020 03:22AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

I do not know but disregarding the Russian vaccine despite clearly positive results so far is strange, to say the least. The most obvious reason is that there is a lot of money at stake.

Is anyone dismissing it? Isn't the problem that they didn't really do phase III, but approved the vaccine before it?

The other vaccines might give similar results, but will go through an approval process. When the Russians achieve similar standards, their vaccine is also an option.

Edit: Also it sounds dangerous if one party takes liberties in the processes, because it might give others (*cough*trump*cough*) incentives to do the same.

Del Griffith · 18-09-2020 08:38AM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Sure let's wait till the figures will move. We all know hospitals will do fine, won't they? Just order more trolleys, empty hospital carparks to park trolleys there and we are back in business. Not panicking or scaremongering, but just to ask how's the healthcare in Ireland, up to speed?

What if another virus comes after this one that we don't even know of yet? What then? What if what if what if
We better stay locked down forever! Just in case!

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 09:02AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Mask use and social distancing will reduce the spread of the flu.

If you want to spend six months of every year for the rest of your life doing this have at it. It's not living and a flu' jab is an eminently more sensible option.

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