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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #5072
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Children don't spread.

    Give one example in ireland where a child spread it to another child or an adult.

    I did. Please see earlier post. Then go back to never never land.


  • #5073
    Mullaghteelin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Mullaghteelin


    I don't know what all the fuss is about. After the initial spike in Spring was brought under control, it was obvious the virus would return when everything opened back up, and winter approached.
    We should have been anticipating further on-off lockdowns. It was inevitable. Too many people had the attitude of "oh, it's gone now! Let's get back to the pub and forget all about it."


  • #5074
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Still think it's not a massive coincidence the schools open back up and bang case numbers grow at a rapid rate.


  • #5075
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not sure what you mean?

    Can't have Kildare at stage 2 and Dublin at stage 4. There has to be within a stage between them. But that's the Micky mouse government saying that, but we can see their plan is all over the place re: Dublin


  • #5076
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Still think it's not a massive coincidence the schools open back up and bang case numbers grow at a rapid rate.

    True

    1 million kids are inter-connected someway to everyone in the country


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  • #5077
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I did. Please see earlier post. Then go back to never never land.

    I think your the one in never never land thinking schools will be closed. Children stuck at home for 6 months. It did them more harm than good being at home for that length. It will never happen again.


  • #5078
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    eagle eye wrote: »
    People mentioning the economy as the reason not to shut down.
    It's sad when money is more important than the health of the nation.

    You do realise a crash inthe economy would effect the health of the nation on many levels?


  • #5079
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Children don't spread.

    Give one example in ireland where a child spread it to another child or an adult.

    A child will certainly spread it to an adult, as in a parent if they are cuddling/hugging and just doing what kids and parents do, that can't be helped realistically. A kid spreading it to a teacher, I'd say is a lot rarer.


  • #5080
    Oglaigh84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭Oglaigh84


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Still think it's not a massive coincidence the schools open back up and bang case numbers grow at a rapid rate.

    Dont think anyone does


  • #5081
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think your the one in never never land thinking schools will be closed. Children stuck at home for 6 months. It did them more harm than good being at home for that length. It will never happen again.

    I wouldn't be so sure.


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  • #5082
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so sure.

    I am.


  • #5083
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    Still think it's not a massive coincidence the schools open back up and bang case numbers grow at a rapid rate.

    Its too early to see the effects of schools opening. Recent surge is not related but likely to make it much more challenging to not lose complete control of transmission


  • #5084
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think your the one in never never land thinking schools will be closed. Children stuck at home for 6 months. It did them more harm than good being at home for that length. It will never happen again.

    You are the one harping on saying kids can’t spread it. You are mad if you believe that. Must be the only virus in history that isn’t spread by kids. Highly unlikely. I’m saying going to level 4 is pointless. We won’t be able to visit anyone but we’ll all put our kids, 30 to a room everyday and expect the numbers to be under control.

    I agree we need schools open but we need to do it safely. 4 schools with subsequent cases after 2 weeks doesn’t sound safe to me.


  • #5085
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    I do wonder how worldometer calculates those projections though, is there much substance to them or just random objective figures about the population plugged in without any knowledge of the culture or governance or healthcare of the region in question having any impact on the prediction. Some countries on there have massive projections,worldometers projects over 60,000 deaths in Spain by january, that seems a lot bigger than I would have expected.

    Its not Worldometers - its the Institute for Health Measures and Evaluation, an NGO associated with the university of Washington. They seem to take current trends and extrapolate, but also add leanings from other outbreaks. Should come with the same proviso as your pension scheme - past performance is no guarantee of future returns


  • #5086
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    eagle eye wrote: »
    People mentioning the economy as the reason not to shut down.
    It's sad when money is more important than the health of the nation.

    Stability, consume consume consume.


  • #5087
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I am.

    Yeah, but you're also certain that kids can't spread it, so...


  • #5088
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think your the one in never never land thinking schools will be closed. Children stuck at home for 6 months. It did them more harm than good being at home for that length. It will never happen again.

    Have you asked any kids about it?

    Ours wanted the homeschooling to continue


  • #5089
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Why do they include that data in the report then if it's irrelevant?

    Because its likely a standard report template


  • #5090
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Have you asked any kids about it?

    Ours wanted the homeschooling to continue

    Are you anxious about your children going to school?

    Children are very good at picking up on parents emotions.


  • #5091
    Glenbhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Glenbhoy


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    A child will certainly spread it to an adult, as in a parent if they are cuddling/hugging and just doing what kids and parents do, that can't be helped realistically. A kid spreading it to a teacher, I'd say is a lot rarer.

    Younger kids behave the same with teacher, up at desks constantly, hugging, touching... after picking noses, luckily there's no viral load im the nose, isn't that right???
    Things aren't like they were in my day..... cane across the knuckles for moving....


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  • #5092
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    CFR = number of deaths / number of confirmed cases

    = 1784 / 31192 = 5.7%

    But the obvious problem with that equation is we know that one number is somewhat accurate while the other number is anything but.

    We have some sort of idea how many died from or with it. But we know that the true case number could be anything. Could be twice the reported cases could be ten times that. Could be more even. And then it would still not be the real number. Cos not everyone who comes in contact with the virus gets infected.


  • #5093
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    eagle eye wrote: »
    People mentioning the economy as the reason not to shut down.
    It's sad when money is more important than the health of the nation.

    Who do you think pays for the health system though, are you that naieve into thinking that shutting down an economy will have no affect. Plus the facts are there its meeting up in private Houses are the main reason for the spread but no let's on go on the dole and live off magic money for the next few years.


  • #5094
    Spleodar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Spleodar


    I can see this spiralling in Cork before long too. I just saw about 25 teens all having lunch crowded around two picnic tables outside a garage/shop. There wasn’t 2cm, let alone 2m between any of them. No masks (they were eating.) Horse playing around. Shoving and pushing. No masks. No social distancing. Nothing! Sure it’s all grand obviously.

    Probably time to re-do the home office and setup online shopping again.

    If we could just have a bit of common sense with the sensible measures we could get on with life as close to normal as possible, but no! This isn’t Sweden that’s for sure.


  • #5095
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you anxious about your children going to school?

    Children are very good at picking up on parents emotions.

    We were very positive about going back.

    You didnt reply to my Q


  • #5096
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    We were very positive about going back.

    You didnt reply to my Q

    Its not worth an answer.


  • #5097
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Glenbhoy wrote: »
    Younger kids behave the same with teacher, up at desks constantly, hugging, touching... after picking noses, luckily there's no viral load im the nose, isn't that right???
    Things aren't like they were in my day..... cane across the knuckles for moving....
    Pre covid I'd agree, if schools and teachers are allowing that kind of activity, well it's just a disaster waiting to happen. I can't believe teachers would be so negligent in this climate. Any primary teachers here shed a light on the claim?


  • #5098
    aisling86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭aisling86


    Spleodar wrote: »
    I can see this spiralling in Cork before long too. I just saw about 25 teens all having lunch crowded around two picnic tables outside a garage/shop. There wasn’t 2cm, let alone 2m between any of them. No masks (they were eating.) Horse playing around. Shoving and pushing. No masks. Nothing! Sure it’s all grand obviously.

    Probably time to re-do the home office and setup online shopping again.

    I agred cork is doing well but its creeping up each day. Heard on radio this morning 4 in ICU in the mercy. People dropping their guard because it's been so stable but it's all about to change I'd imagine.


  • #5099
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its not worth an answer.

    :eek:


  • #5100
    Spleodar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Spleodar


    aisling86 wrote: »

    I agred cork is doing well but its creeping up each day. Heard on radio this morning 4 in ICU in the mercy. People dropping their guard because it's been so stable but it's all about to change I'd imagine.

    The other one that’s really shocking me is the people wandering in to shops without sanitising hands. I was in a Circle K yesterday. Lad gets out of a van. He puts on a mask. Adjusts his jeans. Hand through hair. Fiddles mask mask. Walks straight in, right past the sanitiser. Fiddles around with the coffee cups and makes a coffee. Surface contamination all over the place. I decided to skip coffee.

    It’s exactly same people who’d probably go to the jacks and not wash their hands.

    It’s those really basic things like using hand sanitiser that make all the difference. If we get that stuff right we don’t end up with the need for blunt measures like restrictions on entire cities, but these islands are like that.


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  • #5101
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Pre covid I'd agree, if schools and teachers are allowing that kind of activity, well it's just a disaster waiting to happen. I can't believe teachers would be so negligent in this climate. Any primary teachers here shed a light on the claim?

    My OH works in primary, some teachers very good at keeping kids at desks others its a free for all. Its very disappointing to hear.


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