Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Gradius · 16-09-2020 10:52PM

They need to get to the conclusion here, sooner rather than later.

100% lockdown for 4 to 6 weeks, have all arrangements made for stocking up on necessities, a deployed martial law and necessaries for emergency interventions. Zero leniency, no exceptions.

Nobody gets in to the country, nobody gets out for a minimum of 12 months.

Following the 100% lockdown, we can kiss all the bull**** away. No more masks, no more arguments, no more debates, no more lockdowns, no more virus.

It's that simple.

JP Liz V1 · 16-09-2020 10:53PM

Dublin should be level 4 or 5 by now, why keep waiting, no travel in or out, none essential

16-09-2020 10:54PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Suicide has been a ****ing massive issue for years and years and **** all has been done about it. Don't think rates ever recovered massively since 2008.

While suicides and the desperation that leads to it is something that needs to be addressed in all areas of society, in Ireland it’s below average compared to the rest of Europe, and has fallen from 12 per 100,000 in 2000 to 10 per 100,000 in 2018

Correction: My numbers were old. It was 10 per 100,000 in 2015, this has now fallen to about 8

fritzelly · 16-09-2020 10:54PM

speckle wrote: »

Just before I go to bed, not sure if I posted this here ages ago, but in case any one interested it is the CDC's free online course in epidemiology

https://www.cdc.gov/publichealth101/epidemiology.html

Oíche mhaith agus codladh sámh

Sorry but the Boards self certified qualification blows that CDC one outta the water

bb1234567 · 16-09-2020 10:54PM

Arghus wrote: »

I presume I'm the idiot you refer to Fintan, but then again I wasn't the only one challenging your completely made up claims that doctors aren't seeing patients.

What made up crap is it tonight? The lies you tell on here are shameless.

And shockingly some posters seem to think Fintan knows more about a rise in suicide than one of our main national suicide charities who have publicly stated that there has been no rise in suicide during the pandemic. It is truly unbelievable that such an unsubstantiated issue is being argued so fervently on here tonight, I seriously can't get my head around it. Should it not be a closing word to the dicussion and a reassuring end note that national suicide charity has told us this great news?

Plenty of other things to be worrying about, such as a rise in other mental health issues. There is actual evidence of this. Seems really like some posters just want to use a more tragic issue to bolster their arguemnt against restrictions really. Pitting these two issues against one either and creating an unrealistic situation where we must choose between covid restrictons or an increase suicide rate is also bizarre and misguided and really really unhelpful for anybody suffering from the effects of either issue. How do you think it makes an elderly person feel that restrictions to protect them might be causing young people to take their lives? And how do you think it makes a suicidal person feel that for their mental health to improve apparently covid needs to be let loose and endanger elderly peopel? Blaming one issue on the other is so incredibly cold and heartless.

FintanMcluskey · 16-09-2020 10:57PM

Arghus wrote: »

I presume I'm the idiot you refer to Fintan, but then again I wasn't the only one challenging your completely made up claims that doctors aren't seeing patients.

What made up crap is it tonight? The lies you tell on here are shameless.

There ya are.

More arrogance.

Talking from your bottom Im afraid.

There is GPs refusing to see patients. Thats a fact Argus

manofwisdom · 16-09-2020 10:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest hospital update is out

73 in hospital, increase of 8.
As far as I can see, increase of 6 in the Mater alone.
14 in ICU and 6 ventilated

Province watch, Connacht doing best at the moment. 124 cases among the 5 counties in the last 2 weeks. Only 1 covid case in the three main hospitals in Galway, Mayo and Sligo.

16-09-2020 11:01PM

User1998 wrote: »

There was an average of over 35 deaths per month due to suicide last year. The number isn’t going to magically decrease this year

Have 70 people died of corona virus in the past two months?

So nothing then to back up your claim, same as everyone else who states it.

The number of suicides last year were at there lowest level in 20 years or so the last time I checked, and even then they were to high in my opinion as there isn't enough funding for services around it.

I wouldn't be stupid enough to claim that I don't think no one will commit suicide this year because of covid because they will, be it because they lost a loved one or their job.
I just don't go around claiming stuff with no evidence because it suits my opinion.

Arghus · 16-09-2020 11:02PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There ya are.

More arrogance.

Talking from your bottom Im afraid.

There is GPs refusing to see patients. Thats a fact Argus

Not really Fintan.

If you need to see your GP you will be able to see your GP.

Why do even bother posting this it's obviously not true. You're usually cute enough to misinterept ambiguous statements.

FintanMcluskey · 16-09-2020 11:03PM

Arghus wrote: »

Not really Fintan.

If you need to see your GP you will be able to see your GP.

Why do even bother posting this it's obviously not true.

Ill let others challenge you.

Your wrong however

16-09-2020 11:03PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There ya are.

More arrogance.

Talking from your bottom Im afraid.

There is GPs refusing to see patients. Thats a fact Argus

I have an appointment with GP on Friday, but as I had potential Covid symptoms I duly had to have a test first. Would this in your mind be a refusal? Just wondering.

spookwoman · 16-09-2020 11:04PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There ya are.

More arrogance.

Talking from your bottom Im afraid.

There is GPs refusing to see patients. Thats a fact Argus

Crap! Have seen my own doc recently and father the same. No problem making an appointment.

pjohnson · 16-09-2020 11:05PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Crap! Have seen my own doc recently and father the same. No problem making an appointment.

Same here. Maybe Fintans doc just decided he didn't want to be in the same room as him?

Kh1993 · 16-09-2020 11:06PM

Feels like we’re at a fork in the road time again.

Obviously something has to be done. There is a clear upward trajectory on numbers and hospital admissions. Think we can all accept that. But I’m not sure what a “lockdown” that loads are calling for achieves. One, it kicks the can down the road again, and then do we constantly keep locking down? Two, it won’t be adhered to like the first. Zero chance. Fatigue, mixed messaging, can’t be bothered, there’ll be loads of reasons, some justified, some not. But those in charge have lost a lot of the people. Three, what is the end game for a lockdown? Repeat ad nauseous? Or go for a zero Covid style plan? We were told in part a lockdown was to buy the health service time. Well they’ve had 3 relatively quiet summer months. How much capacity added? And how silly does it look we have to reopen regional swab centres after closing them in July and August? And only now are the HSE looking for permanent contact tracers and swabbers? It’s took them 6 months to realise speech and language therapists can’t be seconded forever from their jobs.

Maybe Level 3 or 4 countrywide for 3-4 weeks with a quick ish reopening. Can’t see shops etc being made to shut again. The economy is done if that happens. And unfortunately that matters, we can’t just put everyone on the dole, lose billions and hope it comes back. The health service, social protection and many other departments won’t function without a functioning economy. It’s not putting the economy over lives to say that.

It seems we’re back in mid April listening to some people. The blame game is back with a vengeance. We hear Nolan telling us to ration our contacts, people scolding others on here for having a coffee with friends. It’s human nature! Maybe some people can cope with being solitary people or have to cocoon for whatever reasons. But I can’t see the majority heeding to advice to not see family etc under another lockdown.

16-09-2020 11:07PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ill let others challenge you.

Your wrong however

Seen mine a short while ago and bringing my dad for physio tomorrow in Connolly hospital as arranged by his doctor whom he attended last week.

16-09-2020 11:12PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

Feels like we’re at a fork in the road time again.

Obviously something has to be done. There is a clear upward trajectory on numbers and hospital admissions. Think we can all accept that. But I’m not sure what a “lockdown” that loads are calling for achieves. One, it kicks the can down the road again, and then do we constantly keep locking down? Two, it won’t be adhered to like the first. Zero chance. Fatigue, mixed messaging, can’t be bothered, there’ll be loads of reasons, some justified, some not. But those in charge have lost a lot of the people. Three, what is the end game for a lockdown? Repeat ad nauseous? Or go for a zero Covid style plan? We were told in part a lockdown was to buy the health service time. Well they’ve had 3 relatively quiet summer months. How much capacity added? And how silly does it look we have to reopen regional swab centres after closing them in July and August? And only now are the HSE looking for permanent contact tracers and swabbers? It’s took them 6 months to realise speech and language therapists can’t be seconded forever from their jobs.

Maybe Level 3 or 4 countrywide for 3-4 weeks with a quick ish reopening. Can’t see shops etc being made to shut again. The economy is done if that happens. And unfortunately that matters, we can’t just put everyone on the dole, lose billions and hope it comes back. The health service, social protection and many other departments won’t function without a functioning economy. It’s not putting the economy over lives to say that.

It seems we’re back in mid April listening to some people. The blame game is back with a vengeance. We hear Nolan telling us to ration our contacts, people scolding others on here for having a coffee with friends. It’s human nature! Maybe some people can cope with being solitary people or have to cocoon for whatever reasons. But I can’t see the majority heeding to advice to not see family etc under another lockdown.

And the solution is?

Arghus · 16-09-2020 11:14PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ill let others challenge you.

Your wrong however

Fintan, people are able to see their GP's.

There's a time to stop digging.

16-09-2020 11:14PM

I was wondering if Fintan had encountered something like this in his circle and was counting it as refusal

lucernarian · 16-09-2020 11:17PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Controversial opinion perhaps but, NPHET are scientists. They have only one way of thinking.

They have no sense of social interaction, emotions, people's jobs etc. Think they give a **** how much Joe Bloggs who lives on his own feels about meeting his friend once a week for a pint? Or how Angela and Michael are going to pay their mortgage? I'd be shocked if they ever had more than a Rock Shandy in a bar

"Cut your contacts in half" ffs
I meet 3 people a week. What am I supposed to do? Get a chainsaw down the middle to one of them?

LOL, today I learned that scientists don't have family, a social life or any perspective on the outside world. Thanks for that...

polesheep · 16-09-2020 11:17PM

Arghus wrote: »

Fintan, people are able to see their GP's.

There's a time to stop digging.

I wasn't able to see my GP, neither was my adult daughter. My daughter finally got to see the GP when my wife threatened to report the practice for negligence. I accept your word when you say that you have been able to see your GP. Please accept mine.

Polar101 · 16-09-2020 11:18PM

Anecdotes vs facts. It's up to the reader to decide which is which.

drunkmonkey · 16-09-2020 11:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And the solution is?

I was just scrolling through Facebook, one Dubliner has figured it out, stop going for tests.

Testing is a self fulfilling prophecy anyways, the more people get tested the worse it gets lockdown wise. Cork figured that out ages ago.

I haven't checked to see is there any anti getting tested group yet but it can't be far away.

ACitizenErased · 16-09-2020 11:21PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Province watch, Connacht doing best at the moment. 124 cases among the 5 counties in the last 2 weeks. Only 1 covid case in the three main hospitals in Galway, Mayo and Sligo.

Over two thirds of hospitalisations are in Dublin alone. The rest of the country is relatively stable.

Gradius · 16-09-2020 11:23PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

Feels like we’re at a fork in the road time again.

Obviously something has to be done. There is a clear upward trajectory on numbers and hospital admissions. Think we can all accept that. But I’m not sure what a “lockdown” that loads are calling for achieves. One, it kicks the can down the road again, and then do we constantly keep locking down? Two, it won’t be adhered to like the first. Zero chance. Fatigue, mixed messaging, can’t be bothered, there’ll be loads of reasons, some justified, some not. But those in charge have lost a lot of the people. Three, what is the end game for a lockdown? Repeat ad nauseous? Or go for a zero Covid style plan? We were told in part a lockdown was to buy the health service time. Well they’ve had 3 relatively quiet summer months. How much capacity added? And how silly does it look we have to reopen regional swab centres after closing them in July and August? And only now are the HSE looking for permanent contact tracers and swabbers? It’s took them 6 months to realise speech and language therapists can’t be seconded forever from their jobs.

Maybe Level 3 or 4 countrywide for 3-4 weeks with a quick ish reopening. Can’t see shops etc being made to shut again. The economy is done if that happens. And unfortunately that matters, we can’t just put everyone on the dole, lose billions and hope it comes back. The health service, social protection and many other departments won’t function without a functioning economy. It’s not putting the economy over lives to say that.

It seems we’re back in mid April listening to some people. The blame game is back with a vengeance. We hear Nolan telling us to ration our contacts, people scolding others on here for having a coffee with friends. It’s human nature! Maybe some people can cope with being solitary people or have to cocoon for whatever reasons. But I can’t see the majority heeding to advice to not see family etc under another lockdown.

People sooner or later are going to realise that short-cuts and half-baked "let's see" plans are not going to work. It's just not going to work.

We need to get a grip on this situation, swallow the hard pill and go on a 100% lockdown for a short period of time. It is guaranteed to work. Guaranteed!

But a lot of people don't want to put in the hard effort and are constantly looking for easier ways out that 100% will not work.

firemansam4 · 16-09-2020 11:25PM

froog wrote:

yup still doesn't make sense.

I think the point that is being made is that for example if we reach a time when covid is no longer with us, completely gone.
Would you still agree to continue with restrictions from this pandemic such as facemaks and social distancing ect which may save lives of elderly people and the vulnerable from the flu during winter months especially?
Because we know before covid the flu season is responsible for driving up hospitalizations and consequently then deaths.

Kh1993 · 16-09-2020 11:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And the solution is?

I’m not paid enough to figure that out..

But lockdown, open, lockdown, open is hardly the answer. FWIW, a “living with the virus” plan isn’t the worst idea, it just hasn’t really been done properly. I think if we do lockdown again, I don’t see the harm in at least trying a zero Covid style strategy (I’m not a zero Covid advocate, some of it is pie in the sky, but if you lockdown it’s worth a go)

NegativeCreep · 16-09-2020 11:27PM

Gradius wrote: »

People sooner or later are going to realise that short-cuts and half-baked "let's see" plans are not going to work. It's just not going to work.

We need to get a grip on this situation, swallow the hard pill and go on a 100% lockdown for a short period of time. It is guaranteed to work. Guaranteed!

But a lot of people don't want to put in the hard effort and are constantly looking for easier ways out that 100% will not work.

What does 100% lockdown entail?

bb1234567 · 16-09-2020 11:28PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Controversial opinion perhaps but, NPHET are scientists. They have only one way of thinking.

They have no sense of social interaction, emotions, people's jobs etc. Think they give a **** how much Joe Bloggs who lives on his own feels about meeting his friend once a week for a pint? Or how Angela and Michael are going to pay their mortgage? I'd be shocked if they ever had more than a Rock Shandy in a bar

"Cut your contacts in half" ffs
I meet 3 people a week. What am I supposed to do? Get a chainsaw down the middle to one of them?

This has to be the most cliched opinion of scientists I have ever heard just OMG. Scientists pay mortgages. Scientists meet friends for pints. What do you think they do outside of their labs exactly? or do you think they live there fulltime in their white coats never eat never sleep! Scientists is also an incredibly vague professional terms and spans hundreds of fields and disciplines, many work in completely different settings and environments! I seriously can't believe somebody said this about scientists I'm actually lolling

Gradius · 16-09-2020 11:34PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

What does 100% lockdown entail?

Just what it implies. I'm not going to lay out an entire plan, but roughly...

Allow a two week buildup where everyone can get their necessary provisions ready for an extended period of lockdown of say 4 weeks.

No going out. No parties. No teenagers floating around the streets. No schools. No business if needs be etc.

A complete crackdown on anyone disobeying, zero tolerance.

And then in 4 weeks the virus is dead and gone. 100% gone. Implement a gigantic testing platform, and once you pass the test, you're allowed back outside.

That last "lockdown" wasn't a lockdown at all. All it did was annoy people, while not getting rid of anything. Completely and utterly pointless.

lucernarian · 16-09-2020 11:35PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

This has to be the most cliched opinion of scientists I have ever heard just OMG. Scientists pay mortgages. Scientists meet friends for pints. What do you think they do outside of their labs exactly? or do you think they live there fulltime in their white coats never eat never sleep! Scientists is also an incredibly vague professional terms and spans hundreds of fields and disciplines, many work in completely different settings and environments! I seriously can't believe somebody said this about scientists I'm actually lolling

I feel bad that I fell for the troll now. My heart goes out to my friends who had to put their research and PhDs on hold in various parts of the world and who don't have a clue what they will do when it's over.

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