Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Non solum non ambulabit · 16-09-2020 12:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

sure about that?

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/2005/cbnreport_103105.html

Thanks for the info. Wonder when we can expect assympthomatic Flu to become a thing we all need to be afraid of. The way things are going it may happen.

If I am assympthomatic with the flu I don't consider myself a flu case as I will never know. And it will never be known. Assympthomatic counting is seriously unreliable with flu as there in no testing whatsoever.

speckle · 16-09-2020 12:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Everyone has their own process in this. From anxiety and horror to frustration and rage we'll mostly pick up on what matches our mindset.

And peace and calm, purposefulness, direction and action.

ZX7R · 16-09-2020 12:59PM

Boggles wrote: »

None of that is true, you are just trying to justify the loons remarks with made up nonsense.

The reality is a Clinical Director of a Hospital Group, who people will listen to peddled dangerous nonsense that would get a lot of people sick and dead.

Funny thing though many more high ranking doctors across Europe are coming out with the exact same statements.
These people are not stating there beliefs on covid to damage or rune there careers.
There must be something that they are seeing in there day to day health business to publicly jeopardize their careers

seamus · 16-09-2020 01:00PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

"It's only 1000 cases, don't be so negative"

It's worth considering that the belief from NPHET and other experts in the field is that in April/May we were only catching 1 out of every 3 cases of Covid.

Let's say that we're now catch 7 in every 10 cases instead, it means that yesterday's figure of 357 is the equivalent of 170 in April/May.

This is well below what was considered the "manageable" case rate back then, and is why hospitalisations are not growing out of control now.

There's no need to be insanely optimistic, but there's also no need for extreme pessimism either.

Provided we can keep hospitalisations at a manageable level, we are doing OK. We're still nowhere near the point we need to make drastic changes to reverse the trend. Calm and cautious is the order of the day.

niallo27 · 16-09-2020 01:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

None of that is true, you are just trying to justify the loons remarks with made up nonsense.

The reality is a Clinical Director of a Hospital Group, who people will listen to peddled dangerous nonsense that would get a lot of people sick and dead.

That is the worst type of sick to get in fairness

DangerScouse · 16-09-2020 01:00PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Dublin will be up to Level 3 tomorrow I think. Soundbites are strong today.

It will likely remain at that for 3 weeks minimum.

Definitely a good move if true.

What Username Guidelines · 16-09-2020 01:00PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I won't be getting any updates till next week ,
My normal source is other wise engaged

Great news, pass on our congratulations

owlbethere · 16-09-2020 01:00PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Dublin will be up to Level 3 tomorrow I think. Soundbites are strong today.

It will likely remain at that for 3 weeks minimum.

I wonder what is the problem with Dublin?

Is the rise in cases due to the capital being built up or is it from people ignoring the guidelines? If its from people ignoring the guidelines and having large house gatherings, putting Dublin under further restrictions isn't going to work. It will probably harm businesses especially small, hospitality businesses.

stockshares · 16-09-2020 01:01PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Thanks, this is a great table, simple clear and well put together. No need for the 57 pages of rambling ****e the Gov produced. Have they never heard of " a picture paints a thousand words"

Between the lot of them they(Gov) couldn't produce this at the briefing and go through it one level at a time. It would have saved them from the backlash that followed. They are complete incompetents.

Instead each of our great leaders had to hog the microphone with endless waffle and no detail.

16-09-2020 01:05PM

seamus wrote: »

It's worth considering that the belief from NPHET and other experts in the field is that in April/May we were only catching 1 out of every 3 cases of Covid.

Let's say that we're now catch 7 in every 10 cases instead, it means that yesterday's figure of 357 is the equivalent of 170 in April/May.

This is well below what was considered the "manageable" case rate back then, and is why hospitalisations are not growing out of control now.

There's no need to be insanely optimistic, but there's also no need for extreme pessimism either.

Provided we can keep hospitalisations at a manageable level, we are doing OK. We're still nowhere near the point we need to make drastic changes to reverse the trend. Calm and cautious is the order of the day.

I wouldn't believe that 1 in 3 either, they're bigging up their own work. Its based off that antibody study and they've shown to be pretty wide of the mark.

Non solum non ambulabit · 16-09-2020 01:05PM

stockshares wrote: »

Thanks, this is a great table, simple clear and well put together. No need for the 57 pages of rambling ****e the Gov produced. Have they never heard of " a picture paints a thousand words"

Between the lot of them they(Gov) couldn't produce this at the briefing and go through it one level at a time. It would have saved them from the backlash that followed. They are complete incompetents.

Instead each of our great leaders had to hog the microphone with endless waffle and no detail.

Exactly. Don't know why they didn't have a few slides and go through it clearly.

Boggles · 16-09-2020 01:06PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Funny thing though many more high ranking doctors across Europe are coming out with the exact same statements.
These people are not stating there beliefs on covid to damage or rune there careers.
There must be something that they are seeing in there day to day health business to publicly jeopardize their careers

What "high ranking doctors" are suggesting herd immunity as a policy?

Not even Sweden are pushing that anymore.

16-09-2020 01:07PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Funny thing though many more high ranking doctors across Europe are coming out with the exact same statements.
These people are not stating there beliefs on covid to damage or rune there careers.
There must be something that they are seeing in there day to day health business to publicly jeopardize their careers

Increase in numbers is worrying.

However doctors in Singapore France Spain UK Italy and Ireland have said virus seems to be getting less aggressive.

I'm not a open up its only the flu, however given leos comments lately it seems government's are less worried than in March.

Yesterday he even talked about the possibility that virus has gotten weaker (1.06). Nobody knows the answer but there is now discussions and questioning which is good.

https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1305858126026100738?s=20

ChikiChiki · 16-09-2020 01:07PM

Up to 104 cases per 100000 this morning in Dublin.

Really makes no sense at all now that it didn't go straight to level 3 yesterday.

stephenjmcd · 16-09-2020 01:08PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Dublin will be up to Level 3 tomorrow I think. Soundbites are strong today.

It will likely remain at that for 3 weeks minimum.

Highly unlikely to be tomorrow at all.

If you listen to the new process its NPHET meet tomorrow, then those recommendations go to the new oversight group who consider all the advice and weigh up many other factors then deliver that to cabinet next Tuesday.

Was laid out by Varadkar earlier. Your looking at next week realistically

16-09-2020 01:09PM

stockshares wrote: »

Thanks, this is a great table, simple clear and well put together. No need for the 57 pages of rambling ****e the Gov produced. Have they never heard of " a picture paints a thousand words"

Between the lot of them they(Gov) couldn't produce this at the briefing and go through it one level at a time. It would have saved them from the backlash that followed. They are complete incompetents.

Instead each of our great leaders had to hog the microphone with endless waffle and no detail.

The great irony of course being that Dublin sits nowhere in that table, on day 1 of the plan.

DebDynamite · 16-09-2020 01:09PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Funny thing though many more high ranking doctors across Europe are coming out with the exact same statements.
These people are not stating there beliefs on covid to damage or rune there careers.
There must be something that they are seeing in there day to day health business to publicly jeopardize their careers

You can bet as well that many more doctors in Ireland even are saying the exact same thing off the record

gmisk · 16-09-2020 01:10PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Dublin will be up to Level 3 tomorrow I think. Soundbites are strong today.

It will likely remain at that for 3 weeks minimum.

Are there travel restrictions (rather than advice) at level 3 I wonder? I.e stay in your county...

Ah ok looks like there is...so maybe no trip up north to see folks for me

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/#domestic-travel

Stay in your county (or other defined geographical area) apart from work, education and other essential purposes, if appropriate.

ChikiChiki · 16-09-2020 01:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Highly unlikely to be tomorrow at all.

If you listen to the new process its NPHET meet tomorrow, then those recommendations go to the new oversight group who consider all the advice and weigh up many other factors then deliver that to cabinet next Tuesday.

Was laid out by Varadkar earlier

If its deemed urgent enough that process will be skipped.

Remember the words of Dr Michael Ryan in terms of making decisions.

stephenjmcd · 16-09-2020 01:14PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

If its deemed urgent enough that process will be skipped.

Remember the words of Dr Michael Ryan in terms of making decisions.

Doesn't matter what Dr Ryan says in the WHO, we've added in an extra level now of red tape which takes the advice and considers economic and social aspects against public health before giving its thoughts to cabinet

That level wont be skipped. I'd suggest listening back to Varadkars interview then if you think it'll be skipped.

"He said Nphet has been offering "top class" scientific, medical and public health advice but added that "by their own admission" they "don't necessarily understand how the economy works".

He said they don't know how schools run and restaurants and stadiums work.

Mr Varadkar said the Oversight Group is there to "buffer and temper" the pure public health advice and take into account economic, social and long term impacts into consideration before Cabinet ultimately makes decisions that "very significantly on people’s personal and economic freedom".

16-09-2020 01:16PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Up to 104 cases per 100000 this morning in Dublin.

Really makes no sense at all now that it didn't go straight to level 3 yesterday.

If it was any other county in ireland it would be locked down already and the fact there is significant community transmission.

De Danann · 16-09-2020 01:17PM

gmisk wrote: »

Are there travel restrictions (rather than advice) at level 3 I wonder? I.e stay in your county

I hope not but I'm already heartbroken even if it's just advice. I had a trip to kerry planned the end of this month for my 30th and I reckon the hotel will cancel on us to be safe (absolutely understandable).

I've had so many things cancelled this year already and this was already a quieter affair than I would have liked for a milestone birthday. Now it will be nothing at all.

Vicxas · 16-09-2020 01:22PM

What's the criteria between "indoors" and "gatherings". Both are indoors...

16-09-2020 01:23PM

Any beers today or is it a bit early?

is_that_so · 16-09-2020 01:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Any beers today or is it a bit early?

Seems the brewer is on holiday this week so it's back to Ron and Phillo later!

Arghus · 16-09-2020 01:26PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

A number of these positive posters claimed that we wouldn't get near the situation we currently have now again, so were these "negative" people not right for calling them out at the time?

These "negative" people seem to have been right so far but the goal posts are moved any time the case numbers go up.

The current explainer away is ICU numbers aren't increasing that fast.

Soon enough it'll be deaths are still pretty low.

Once that's not a credible argument anymore we'll be told things aren't that bad, sure, March was worse.

The goalposts of concern are in a constant state of motion from some voices in here. Here's the comprehensive list of reasons not to worry, most recent denial of the facts first:

ICU numbers aren't increasing.

Previous to that it was hospital admissions aren't increasing.

Previous to that it was community spread isn't growing.

Previous to that it was it's only clusters - tracking and tracing will get them all.

Previous to that it was it's just meatplants: our brilliant tracking and tracing will get them all.

Previous to that it was the positivity rate hasn't increased.

Previous to that it was they are doing way more tests now.

Previous to that it was more cases are to be expected now that restrictions have been eased, we shouldn't worry until we see 10/20/50/100 cases - number of stated concern will increase elastically until we reach the argument that cases are only increasing because there's more testing being done.

stockshares · 16-09-2020 01:27PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Exactly. Don't know why they didn't have a few slides and go through it clearly.

AdamD wrote: »

The great irony of course being that Dublin sits nowhere in that table, on day 1 of the plan.

After watching the press conference after the big build up of last week I would not trust them to do a good job on anything.

I think they have no vision and are incapable of communicating with one another let alone the Country. They only see the latest problem and react to that .

If they do get these numbers under control they will then cave in to lobbyists and make the same mistake again by relaxing restrictions too early and we will be back to square one .

podgeandrodge · 16-09-2020 01:27PM

De Danann wrote: »

I hope not but I'm already heartbroken even if it's just advice. I had a trip to kerry planned the end of this month for my 30th and I reckon the hotel will cancel on us to be safe (absolutely understandable).

I've had so many things cancelled this year already and this was already a quieter affair than I would have liked for a milestone birthday. Now it will be nothing at all.

Fine Gael on Twitter: "Ireland is moving from a short-term emergency response approach to a medium-term approach to managing risk and repairing the damage that #COVID_19 has inflicted on society."

So, cancel all your holiday plans and all those hotels you've booked.

drunkmonkey · 16-09-2020 01:27PM

Dr Feeley pushed off a plank....this thing of cancelling everyone with an opposing position has to stop, it's no good for anyone.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-resigns-from-hospital-group-after-comments-on-draconian-covid-19-curbs-1.4356244?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR2cUhkctzXkLK6A0Mu8PWB1ivlAtTasfS4tVwnqubcaClAOsImNM84RHGc

Busi_Girl08 · 16-09-2020 01:27PM

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they announced a "Level 3-lite" style lockdown, which MM will lose his mind over explaining that it's actually Level 3 but with some minor amendments to reflect economic requirements, like leaving some businesses opened.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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