Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Looking at the above I can say with 100% certainty Level 3 would not be put in place until at least Monday ,
The reason I say that is there is no way the government are shutting down sporting events for the weekend on a Friday evening,

Leinster play Saracens on Saturday in the Heinken cup , I don't think the goverment would have the balls to cancel that on Friday evening ,

Matches and events


No matches or events to take place.


Exemption: professional/elite/inter-county/club championship/horse-racing can take place behind closed doors.

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

That works both ways. There are posters on here that only ever post bad news and seem to revel in it.

As a mindset is better to always focus on negatives or always focus on positives. Who are the people who drive success in society, positive or negative people? I know what camp I would rather be in.

There is room for realism which most of us have but lean towards positive.

I've noticed that many of the "positive" posters here are extremely negative about the economy and future of the country.

You could go as far as to say some are hysterical

billybonkers wrote: »

What further additional restrictions can they put in place at restaurants and cafes for indoor dining though?

Cut down capacity even more, taking out tables, etc. For some places they'll be better off just closing at it wouldn't justify wages etc.

s1ippy wrote: »

Looks like just leave things in general and see how we are at Christmas.


Remember the gloating the days in July we had single-digit figures. Then they were in the 20s and everything was still "brilliant". We were saying "Yeah but when it's close to 100 will you finally take this seriously again?" Now it's probably going to get close to the thousands if we manage to test effectively. It's going to be the deaths climbing again that's the worst thing. I'm hysterically foaming at the mouth just thinking about it.

Not really but I am staggered by the lack of action and the continued indifference of some (not many) people.

I think I was probably one of the posters who was optimistic in July. I would have been surprised and concerned if you told me that the numbers testing positive had reached 200 a day or more by September, though I understood that as the economy opened, positive numbers had to go up.

Then again, I was comparing the circumstances from April and using that as my comparison point. We all knew that there were way more infections in April than were being picked up by testing, because of our restrictive testing criteria.

We were carrying out 40,000 tests per week back then, and catching 800 a day at the height of it. We are now carrying out approx 80,000 test per week. If we were doing that in April we'd likely have picked up 1600 cases a day, especially given the restrictive criteria to get a test.

Of course, we got those infection figures way down to 10 or so a day in June, but that was only after a very strict lockdown with schools being closed. Even Level 5 on the new plan doesn't envisage that level of lockdown. So at the very least we are probably going to have to accept that there will be 50 or so infections every day even under Level 5.

Level 5 can only be deployed very occasionally. So what level of infections per day - assuming testing capacity stays the same - can we be comfortable with while imposing the lowest possible level of restrictions?

Of course this is nuanced. We can accept a higher level of infections in the young population. It's when it spreads to the older population that the issues arise. So you might be comfortable with 500 new infections a day where 70% of the infections are in under 45s, whereas you might only be comfortable with 300 a day where 70% are in over 65s. Looking at the bald numbers without context is useless. I assume NPHET are doing this.

I'm not entirely sure what level I am comfortable at. But I do know that my priorities are a) that the health system is not overrun, to the point that people are dying when they shouldn't if they had the right treatment and b) a reasonable amount of restrictions remain in place to ensure we do not have a massively divergent number of deaths in comparison to our EU counterparts but that c) those restrictions are kept at a minimum to achieve the objectives at a) and b) at all times.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Thoughts on hotels booked in Ireland for October...

Cancel now or
Wait and potentially lose deposits

Depends on where you're coming from and where you're going to.

I've a break away from Dublin to Waterford on the 9th and I'm getting less and less optimistic about it

US2 wrote: »

Yes they are.

Show me them?
You have just made the statement.
What is the mortality rate of the flu versus what they are estimating for Covid?

Anywhere I read is estimating covid is 0.5-1%.
The highest general figure I can find for flu is 0.1% other sources are a lot lower...

So which number is bigger?

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Thoughts on hotels booked in Ireland for October...

Cancel now or
Wait and potentially lose deposits

Most hotels you can cancel up to 48 or 24 hours before. There will be loads of rooms in October anyway so cancel away if your dodgy about it.

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

There are huge proportion of the Covid cases that are asymptomatic or have a little cough or temp. If you have the Flu it knocks you out. I have never had the flu and not known i had it as is the case of a lot of Covid cases.

Those are not facts....that is an opinion.

Have our early beer deliveries finished? :o

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

There are huge proportion of the Covid cases that are asymptomatic or have a little cough or temp. If you have the Flu it knocks you out. I have never had the flu and not known i had it as is the case of a lot of Covid cases. If i actually had the FLu and not known about it I definitely wouldn't consider myself as a flu case.

None of that is true, you are just trying to justify the loons remarks with made up nonsense.

The reality is a Clinical Director of a Hospital Group, who people will listen to peddled dangerous nonsense that would get a lot of people sick and dead.

GooglePlus wrote: »

You can have mild and asymptomatic flu.

Exactly.