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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,169 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Leo said a couple of interesting things in relation to this during the interview on Prime Time. Out of an "abundance" of caution, the Dáil was suspended. He also claimed that they were all social distancing in Dublin Castle. The worst was that Stephen Donnelly went to his GP, then he said "a perfectly appropriate thing to do" or something, but you're not supposed to do that if you have covid, you're supposed to ring them for a test appointment.

    The most striking thing about these statements is the contrast with their approach to schools, given the seriousness they regard it with when it affects them.

    Sorry if that post was somewhat incoherent, hope you got the gist of it, I'm wrecked out of my head exhausted.

    So it was a cough that lead SD to go to his GP but it was the acting CMO who suggested he get tested or did SD go directly to his GP after the advice of CMO for testing :confused:

    Maybe I am really over thinking this too much, I do think SD needs to make a statement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭MOR316


    They will probably now ask to stop the dart to Bray over the next few weekends. Not necessarily a bad thing as it can be uncomfortable during the summer in normal times.

    Can imagine.
    Was out early one day back in August and on the way to the station to the get the train, swarms of people from Dublin just marched their way to the beach.

    By the same token, I was in Killiney that day and I couldn't believe how everyone on the beach had 2 metres between them. Not marked out, they just done it from their own initiative and thoughtfulness.

    Flies in the face of some of the insults thrown at people on here. Yes, the world is full of dicks but, there are still good people, who just want to live life without hurting anyone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭maebee


    I took great offence to Leo saying about how September is a time when Dublin shows the rest of the country how brilliant they are. They have only been successful in football during past 10 years, and they have never really been successful in hurling. And Kerry will easily beat them in the football for the next 10 years anyway.

    All part of the choreography. Leo was the back-up to the bad Dub news that the Taoiseach had delivered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Eod100




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Eod100 wrote: »

    Madness.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Can imagine.
    Was out early one day back in August and on the way to the station to the get the train, swarms of people from Dublin just marched their way to the beach.

    By the same token, I was in Killiney that day and I couldn't believe how everyone on the beach had 2 metres between them. Not marked out, they just done it from their own initiative and thoughtfulness.

    Flies in the face of some of the insults thrown at people on here. Yes, the world is full of dicks but, there are still good people, who just want to live life without hurting anyone

    If you do have people heading out to drink for the weekend then it will be mayhem. The Bray publicans should be demanding no darts as Bray will also be shut down.

    Stop the Dart at Killiney. It is ****ty on legit businesses and Greystones also but this is the next Berlin bad moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    growleaves wrote: »
    Madness.

    Madness that they do it after 1 day but perhaps not madness in the greater scheme of things to take punishment for 2/3 weeks and then hopefully get out the other end.

    If cases keep growing then we will have even greater restrictions for weeks on end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    So it was a cough that lead SD to go to his GP but it was the acting CMO who suggested he get tested or did SD go directly to his GP after the advice of CMO for testing :confused:

    Maybe I am really over thinking this too much, I do think SD needs to make a statement

    Yes, with his resignation.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    I was saying when we were watching the press conference I could hear loads of ambulances blaring by in the background, then I noticed all the coughing going on. It hardly sounded like the person was even trying to catch it in their arm, I was imagining a fella spewing into the room.

    It struck me as quite mad that the health minister was going around with a cough like that right now and not getting it checked out. I wonder if Glynn noticed or was prompted to say something to Donnelly rather than him having the wherewithal to mention it. Point is he definitely has face on his egg now anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Madness that they do it after 1 day but perhaps not madness in the greater scheme of things to take punishment for 2/3 weeks and then hopefully get out the other end.

    If cases keep growing then we will have even greater restrictions for weeks on end.

    In the greater scheme of things it is mental and its still shocking to me that people will support these shutdowns.

    You're also talking about cancelling a major public transport route with no notice. Some people have to take the dart to work each day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Eod100 wrote: »
    should have been level 3 since last thursday


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    357 cases today, most in Dublin. What's going on in Dublin that they have such a high number of cases?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    growleaves wrote: »
    In the greater scheme of things it is mental and its still shocking to me that people will support these shutdowns.

    You're also talking about cancelling a major public transport route with no notice. Some people have to take the dart to work each day.

    I was saying Saturday and Sunday and leave the buses go. Ok. Let it go on and the moral police on Monday will have a field day and ask for Bray to be closed as well plus more transport restrictions. Ironically I think that the current closures got us to this point as people needed a social outlet and a regulated one would have been better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    357 cases today, most in Dublin. What's going on in Dublin that they have such a high number of cases?

    BLM and the seaside. Plus the no mask matches, dame lane. The Dail and Berlin Bar. But most likely house based celebrations and not just kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I was saying Saturday and Sunday and leave the buses go. Ok. Let it go on and the moral police on Monday will have a field day and ask for Bray to be closed as well plus more transport restrictions.

    Ok I get where you're coming from but people could be working weekends as well. Messing with public transport at the last second isn't the answer imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    357 cases today, most in Dublin. What's going on in Dublin that they have such a high number of cases?

    I’m not sure. I’m in Dublin and in shops/pubs/restaurants there’s pretty good compliance with all the measures.

    Tbh, I think it’s what’s going on behind closed doors in people’s homes is the problem. That’s why I feel tighter restrictions wouldn’t help much more. It’s numbers of people in people’s homes was what needed attention and they’ve done that. Now, will there be any punishment for breaking the restrictions, I don’t know. But even a bit of “shaming” might make people comply. In way it’s not a bad thing for the curtain twitchers to bring their game again and maybe make people feel a bit mortified if the neighbours were to see them having gatherings in their house. I feel we’d all gotten a bit blasé about that since we came out of lockdown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    I took great offence to Leo saying about how September is a time when Dublin shows the rest of the country how brilliant they are. They have only been successful in football during past 10 years, and they have never really been successful in hurling. And Kerry will easily beat them in the football for the next 10 years anyway.

    Ridiculous, if they don't win everything they should be ashamed, 1.4 million people against counties with as little as 30k people, some heroes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Ridiculous, if they don't win everything they should be ashamed, 1.4 million people against counties with as little as 30k people, some heroes.

    And funding/facilities to match. Puts Kerry's achievements without nearly as high a playing pool to pick from or near the same level of funding into perspective. If anything Dublin have been massive underachievers for years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    BLM and the seaside. Plus the no mask matches, dame lane. The Dail and Berlin Bar. But most likely house based celebrations and not just kids.

    Not to mention all the culchies coming to Dublin for pubs and nights out and shopping, with no masks and no social distancing!
    Bringing their germs and viruses from Kildare and Limerick and Tipp .. oh and Galway , dirty beggars !
    What do you think ? ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭no.8


    Ridiculous, if they don't win everything they should be ashamed, 1.4 million people against counties with as little as 30k people, some heroes.


    Yes... because 1.4 million Dubs tog out against those small countries of 30k


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    no.8 wrote: »
    Yes... because 1.4 million Dubs tog out against those small countries of 30k

    Say x% of both places play the same sport. x can be any equal number. The same proportional argument remains true regardless of the actual number involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    no.8 wrote: »
    Yes... because 1.4 million Dubs tog out against those small countries of 30k

    Sure those "small counties" do be breeding like rabbits to keep the GAA in the family , like .
    " My daddy and his daddy and all me cousins and uncles are on the local hurling team and we been banging a sliotar against that wall there for ginirations " .
    That's called inbreeding :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    There is no hysteria .
    If he was in work while unwell and coughing , he , at the very least as a member of government , should have been staying at home , isolating and ringing his GP to see if he needed a test , never mind as Minister for HEALTH .
    Do you not see the hypocrisy in this, today of all days ?

    Usually I'd agree. But, in this case, he had a cough. He was advised by CMO to get checked as a proactive, precautionary measure.

    Presumably because of who he is, and the effect it could have on govt if it spread round. But if he was a Joe Soap, and rang the covid line. Here's your answers to the Doctor :

    I have a cough today.
    No I don't have a temperature
    No I don't have loss of taste
    No I don't have shortness of breath
    No I'm not fatigued.

    Doctor wouldn't refer you for a test. Simple as. And it turned out he's negative for covid.

    So he took a proactive approach, following advice, out of an abundance of caution, having no covid symptoms, and he's being slated for getting a test?

    I don't see how he "should have known". People aren't being referred for covid tests because they've a scratchy throat and nothing else. So how was he expected to have one.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Some of the attitudes here are laughable, or they would be if they were no so absurd, and that's relating to some posters here and to some of the more laughable political contributions that are coming out of the woodwork.

    Melbourne is almost 5 times larger than Dublin, the population there is near enough the same as the entire Island here, and the lockdown they have there at present has been eased a little, but for a number of weeks, there was an almost total curfew between 20:00 and 05:00, with very few exception, only one person per day is allowed out for essential shopping, and most other places are completely closed, including bars etc, and they have been operating with a 5Km limit on movement, initially for 1 hour per day, now increased to 2 hours per day, and that can be split into 2 trips out.

    if you want to see how tight it's been, have a look

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/how-draconian-are-melbourne-s-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-1.5105833

    They are starting to very slowly reduce the lock down now, as the cases are starting to reduce, and their figures are remarkably similar to Ireland's figures for Dublin, the difference is that their peak happened in July, we're only ramping up towards a new peak here at the moment, so we're up to 6 weeks behind them, and the relevant leadership here is dithering, ducking and weaving in all directions, and clearly nowhere near on top of what's happening on the ground, despite the clear warnings they are being given by the medical guidance.

    from another site

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/averages-easing-restrictions-covid-19

    Metropolitan Melbourne 694 total cases over the last 14 days, with a case number of 49.6 per 100,000.

    There are 1,040 cases currently active in Victoria. 18,079 people have recovered.

    118 people are in hospital. This includes 11 patients in intensive care.

    IF needed, Victoria State has a capacity of 695 intensive care beds and the capacity to rapidly expand that number if cases surge.

    ICU bed capacity in Ireland increased by 39 per cent from 255 at baseline to 354 beds during the pandemic peak, according to the National Office of Clinical Audit.

    On that basis, and given that the Irish system was close to breaking during the first wave, I find it worrying that the relevant leaders seem paralysed by indecision when it's become clear that the numbers are only going in one (wrong) direction.


    They are seeing the figures decrease after the peak of around 700 cases per day in mid July.

    Without wishing to be overly negative, anyone here that thinks we're not at risk of significant problems here, based on the figures that are being reported on a daily basis is living in a very delusional position.

    Melbourne has seen close on 19000 cases, and 729 deaths.

    Many of the figures being reported are so similar to what's happening here, it's scary, and they have been in severe lock down for nearly 6 weeks.

    Also very interesting is the figures that are being posted to the public domain on a daily basis, where the number of tests and active cases by area are being posted, so to put that in local terms, they are giving result for areas, so you can see how many cases are happening in the equivalent of Dun Laoghaire, or Sandymount, or Clontarf, or Malahide, or where ever, and they are also giving specific geographic details of where outbreaks are occurring, by location, or company name.

    Looks to me like we need to learn very rapidly from what they have done and are doing in Melbourne, and get similar reporting going here, as only when people can see which specific areas or locations are the hot spots will people then (hopefully) start to respond to that information in ways that will help to contain this pandemic.

    Somebody show me where I am reading it wrong, from what I am seeing, we're in trouble, we just haven't taken it on board yet.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    They will probably now ask to stop the dart to Bray over the next few weekends. Not necessarily a bad thing as it can be uncomfortable during the summer in normal times.

    There is no lockdown, they won't stop the trains. They didn't even do that when there was a lockdown, so why would they do it now? It makes no sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Get Real wrote: »
    Usually I'd agree. But, in this case, he had a cough. He was advised by CMO to get checked as a proactive, precautionary measure.

    Presumably because of who he is, and the effect it could have on govt if it spread round. But if he was a Joe Soap, and rang the covid line. Here's your answers to the Doctor :

    I have a cough today.
    No I don't have a temperature
    No I don't have loss of taste
    No I don't have shortness of breath
    No I'm not fatigued.

    Doctor wouldn't refer you for a test. Simple as. And it turned out he's negative for covid.

    So he took a proactive approach, following advice, out of an abundance of caution, having no covid symptoms, and he's being slated for getting a test?

    I don't see how he "should have known". People aren't being referred for covid tests because they've a scratchy throat and nothing else. So how was he expected to have one.

    Actually they said he " felt unwell " as well as coughing .
    If you look at HSPC site , a ' new cough ' is one of the main symptoms and that alone can have you referred for a test .
    Never mind Joe Soap, even a Minister for Health can get a test with a cough !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Some of the attitudes here are laughable, or they would be if they were no so absurd, and that's relating to some posters here and to some of the more laughable political contributions that are coming out of the woodwork.

    ...
    some ramblings about comparing us to Australia
    ...

    Do you live in Ireland or Australia


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Including Level 5 restrictions which is a lockdown like back in April would be treason if it was to be allowed. There is absolutely no way should go back to those measures the government should not even contemplate it. Pubs in Dublin should all agree to open on the 21st they can't strip every pub of it's licence just like they cannot arrest us all.

    The general public have a civic duty to all future generations to disobey these measures introduced by this bunch of traitors.


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Do you live in Ireland or Australia

    Ireland, and as you clearly didn't look at the figures, there are a very large number of worrying similarities between the numbers in Melbourne and the numbers in Dublin, the difference being that Melbourne made the hard decisions and locked down, so their figures are now on the way down again.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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