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Lockdown and restrictions all for nothing?

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    #32
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,523 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    He makes a load of rubbish claims, has no qualification to be making comment really so he’s just another internet crank.

    And making a video that’s 37minutes long he just loves the sound of his own voice.


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    #33
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    _Brian wrote: »
    he just loves the sound of his own voice.


    It's a superb voice to be fair. I'm nearly sure I've heard him on some advertisements?


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    #34
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Great watch.

    Prof. Astley is really amazing at conveying complex ideas in a simple way.


    He knows the rules ...


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    #35
    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭plodder


    He's mentioned in this article in the Irish Times.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701

    I watched the first bit of the video and some of what he claims is unproven (eg the 80% immunity) so I can understand why some react negatively to it. But, his graphs comparing excess mortality this year with previous years are quite thought provoking and his theory why Sweden suffered more than its neighbours sounds plausible.

    I don't get the anti-mask stuff though.
    while the wearing of masks is an ineffective “politically driven endeavour”,
    "politically driven endeavour". That is just silly.


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    #36
    Gael23
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    WHO have said lockdowns are nit the way forward so I’d agree with the video


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    #37
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    plodder wrote: »
    He's mentioned in this article in the Irish Times.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701

    I watched the first bit of the video and some of what he claims is unproven (eg the 80% immunity) so I can understand why some react negatively to it. But, his graphs comparing excess mortality this year with previous years are quite thought provoking and his theory why Sweden suffered more than its neighbours sounds plausible.

    I don't get the anti-mask stuff though.

    "politically driven endeavour". That is just silly.

    Didn’t the WHO say that they bowed to political pressure regarding masks rather than scientific evidence.


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    #38
    jackal
    Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jackal


    plodder wrote: »
    He's mentioned in this article in the Irish Times.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701

    I watched the first bit of the video and some of what he claims is unproven (eg the 80% immunity) so I can understand why some react negatively to it. But, his graphs comparing excess mortality this year with previous years are quite thought provoking and his theory why Sweden suffered more than its neighbours sounds plausible.

    I don't get the anti-mask stuff though.

    "politically driven endeavour". That is just silly.

    Have cases gone up or down since compulsory mask wearing came in? It’s theatre, and gives people a dangerous feeling of invincibility once it’s on, so other, proven methods of reducing transmission get left by the wayside.


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    #39
    Dionaibh
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    I believe that the only thing lockdown and the restrictions have achieved is the destruction of the economy, a mental health crisis, increased numbers of suicides, and a muzzled populace. And the government has destroyed humanity, small businesses and the soul of the country. I think they did it on purpose, but I'll save those thoughts for the Conspiracy forum.


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    #40
    KaneToad
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    Lockdown isn't the answer.

    Strict social distancing & good hygiene is. Unfortunately there is a sizeable cohort who find this unpalatable. This is why the govt steps in and introduces restrictions/lockdowns.

    Govt are very worried about the health service collapsing (too worried?). They are acutely aware of how precarious the service is at the best of times.


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    #41
    MadYaker
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    jackal wrote: »
    Have cases gone up or down since compulsory mask wearing came in? It’s theatre, and gives people a dangerous feeling of invincibility once it’s on, so other, proven methods of reducing transmission get left by the wayside.

    Just because cases have gone up doesn’t mean masks aren’t having an effect. Cases are going up because young people are having house parties. Thankfully most people can understand why masks help reduce transmission. If you can’t understand it that’s fine there’s enough of us wearing them for it be effective so masks aren’t really an issue of contention anymore.


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    #42
    KaneToad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    I believe that the only thing lockdown and the restrictions have achieved is the destruction of the economy, a mental health crisis, increased numbers of suicides, and a muzzled populace. And the government has destroyed humanity, small businesses and the soul of the country. I think they did it on purpose, but I'll save those thoughts for the Conspiracy forum.

    I think the idea that they did this on purpose is nonsense.

    1) Which govt? Leo's or MM?
    2) Which parties in the govt?
    3) Why would they purposely destroy the 'soul of the country' ? Are they evil psychopaths?
    4) Are you an adult?


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    #43
    Risteard81
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Didn’t the WHO say that they bowed to political pressure regarding masks rather than scientific evidence.

    Yes they have openly admitted that. Say no to these stupid gas masks.


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    #44
    KaneToad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Yes they have openly admitted that. Say no to these stupid gas masks.

    I've not seen one person wearing a gas mask.
    I have seen plenty wearing cloth face coverings.


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    #45
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Just because cases have gone up doesn’t mean masks aren’t having an effect. Cases are going up because young people are having house parties. Thankfully most people can understand why masks help reduce transmission. If you can’t understand it that’s fine there’s enough of us wearing them for it be effective so masks aren’t really an issue of contention anymore.

    Cases have gone up because they're testing more and the the testing is unreliable. I read about a woman in Tennessee who died six months ago and whose son received a letter the other week saying she'd tested positive for Covid-19. It seems that even dead people can get it.


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    #46
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    KaneToad wrote: »
    I think the idea that they did this on purpose is nonsense.

    1) Which govt? Leo's or MM?
    2) Which parties in the govt?
    3) Why would they purposely destroy the 'soul of the country' ? Are they evil psychopaths?
    4) Are you an adult?

    Check out The Great Reset. I don't want to say too much because I'll be accused of being a conspiracy theorist and I don't want to be prevented from posting here.


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    #47
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Anyone who wants a lockdown should go ahead walk away from their job and just throw away the key until the boogy man goes away.
    Order your shopping online
    Your call...

    And leave the rest of us get on with it.

    I wonder how much tax and Vat they've collected from sanatizer and masks ???

    I know that Covid is out there but we're a resilient species and at this stage Covid seems to be the new religion and every fckn thing about it has some people petrified.

    Cover your face and bless yourself with alcohol at every chance you have, oh and we're going to have to restrain ourselves from pronouncing the letter p and b because it's going to make us spit.

    Pppppp bbbbbb pppppp pppppp

    If you don't have a face covering you're not an achiever, and a potential KILLER according to SJW type's they love all this the SJWs and lefties anything to do with control and shutting people down...

    Pppppp bbbbbb pppppp PPPPPP bbbbbb BBBBB

    No buts about it, he/she used P or B killer you're trying to kill us alll.

    Anyhow I'm off now picking wall nuts up in a hazle wood in the Burren....or Urren :)


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    #48
    jackal
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    Just because cases have gone up doesn’t mean masks aren’t having an effect. Cases are going up because young people are having house parties. Thankfully most people can understand why masks help reduce transmission. If you can’t understand it that’s fine there’s enough of us wearing them for it be effective so masks aren’t really an issue of contention anymore.

    The difference between what I said and what you said is I stated a fact - that cases have gone up since compulsory mask wearing came in. You are blaming house parties, which is a theory.

    Masks I am sure are good if worn correctly etc but empirical evidence would suggest most are not because we don’t live in a controlled lab environment and real life is much more messy. Everywhere I go, disposable masks are being dragged out of the back pocket for the umpteenth time, then worn around the neck until the last second before entering the shop etc, then often covers one of the mouth/nose/chin.


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    #49
    hotmail.com
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    The only people supporting lockdowns are in secure well paid jobs as far as I can see. Handy for them.


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    #50
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Just because cases have gone up doesn’t mean masks aren’t having an effect. Cases are going up because young people are having house parties. Thankfully most people can understand why masks help reduce transmission. If you can’t understand it that’s fine there’s enough of us wearing them for it be effective so masks aren’t really an issue of contention anymore.
    This seems to be more of a justification for your own viewpoint than actual proof. They are used in fairly low risk locations and on their own really and would be useless in situations where cases are emerging.


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    #51
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    nthclare wrote: »
    Anyone who wants a lockdown should go ahead walk away from their job and just throw away the key until the boogy man goes away.
    Order your shopping online
    Your call...

    And leave the rest of us get on with it.

    I wonder how much tax and Vat they've collected from sanatizer and masks ???

    I know that Covid is out there but we're a resilient species and at this stage Covid seems to be the new religion and every fckn thing about it has some people petrified.

    Cover your face and bless yourself with alcohol at every chance you have, oh and we're going to have to restrain ourselves from pronouncing the letter p and b because it's going to make us spit.

    Pppppp bbbbbb pppppp pppppp

    If you don't have a face covering you're not an achiever, and a potential KILLER according to SJW type's they love all this the SJWs and lefties anything to do with control and shutting people down...

    Pppppp bbbbbb pppppp PPPPPP bbbbbb BBBBB

    No buts about it, he/she used P or B killer you're trying to kill us alll.

    Anyhow I'm off now picking wall nuts up in a hazle wood in the Burren....or Urren :)

    You're right. Emigrating is the only option, I think.


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    #52
    Dionaibh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Dionaibh


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The only people supporting lockdowns are in secure well paid jobs as far as I can see. Handy for them.

    Yep.


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    #53
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The only people supporting lockdowns are in secure well paid jobs as far as I can see. Handy for them.

    Because they're the achiever's in society, but watch this space the IT sector and a lot of fluff jobs are going to implode, all those vvankrs thinking they're safe from working from home earning huge wages for moving a mouse around now and again in their jocks are in for a big shock I tell you.

    A big shock


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    #54
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    You're right. Emigrating is the only option, I think.

    The only problem is these liberal Covid worshipping loons are everywhere it's like a psych tsunami, almost like a religion that came out from nowhere..

    All hail lord Covid lol


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    #55
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Dionaibh wrote: »
    Check out The Great Reset. I don't want to say too much because I'll be accused of being a conspiracy theorist and I don't want to be prevented from posting here.

    I've had a quick peek and it's very idealistic but sadly utterly opportunistic at present. What people want and need is a return to something they understand as normality not more proposals to turn the world upside down. Paradoxically, it might have interested people more if we hadn't had COVID.


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    #56
    Clonmel1000
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The only people supporting lockdowns are in secure well paid jobs as far as I can see. Handy for them.

    Nope


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    #57
    MadYaker
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    jackal wrote: »
    The difference between what I said and what you said is I stated a fact - that cases have gone up since compulsory mask wearing came in. You are blaming house parties, which is a theory.

    Masks I am sure are good if worn correctly etc but empirical evidence would suggest most are not because we don’t live in a controlled lab environment and real life is much more messy. Everywhere I go, disposable masks are being dragged out of the back pocket for the umpteenth time, then worn around the neck until the last second before entering the shop etc, then often covers one of the mouth/nose/chin.

    Blaming house parties is not a theory. It’s been stated multiple times as the main cause by NPHET and government. They know this through contact tracing done by the HSE.

    Empirical evidence? You mean anecdotal evidence. The vast majority wear them properly. You may not like the masks, I certainly don’t but the evidence and my personal feelings on the matter or two different things.


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    #58
    Louche Lad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Louche Lad


    Twitter thread here about the excess deaths thing, saying it's bogus.


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    #59
    Louche Lad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Louche Lad


    Long Twitter thread by an actual doctor here: https://twitter.com/juniordrblog/status/1305861383607771137?s=19

    And a very long video from him: https://youtu.be/DUDg5ossirU


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    #60
    air
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    Louche Lad wrote: »
    Long Twitter thread by an actual doctor here: https://twitter.com/juniordrblog/status/1305861383607771137?s=19

    And a very long video from him: https://youtu.be/DUDg5ossirU

    An actual junior hospital doctor.
    I can see some obvious flaws in several of his counterpoints straight off the bat.
    For example he quotes a study in the Lancet in support of masks, but when you click into it, all the study says is that masks "could" reduce transmission.

    Cummins is held in high regard, he speaks internationally at cardiology conferences.
    He has had some very esteemed guests on his podcast supporting his position on Covid, including a recent Nobel science laureate (Michael Levitt) as well as professor Beda Stadler & numerous medical doctors far more qualified than the junior doctor here.


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    #61
    bb1234567
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    Lol Michael Levit? Yeh he has certainly come out with a few peaches over the last while. Some of his recent claims have made a mockery of his entire reputation. He stated with confidence that spread would cease in USA at 150k deaths or something meanwhile the US is projected to hit 300-400k deaths this winter. As he has made it abundantly obvious that having a novel laureate in whatever doesn't mean your opinion on subjects outside tour field of expertise will be worth the slightest damn.


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