Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 06:41PM

Micheal Martin still insisting that Dublin is at level 2 on the news here.

I really don't know why this is the battle he's fighting. It's obvious there's a difference between the restrictions in Dublin and the rest of the country.

All this does is make them look incompetent and will lose more support from the general public.

Now he's saying NPHET retain discretion though the 5 levels. It's not a plan at all. It's a vague statement of intent with no defined thresholds or conditions to move from one to the next.

And he's wrapping it up with an increasing level of annoyance and argument over having these discrepancies pointed out to him

facehugger99 · 15-09-2020 06:43PM

MadYaker wrote: »

You must have missed the massive drop in cases a few weeks after we went into lockdown back in spring?

Yeah - that only cost 10's of billions of euros - sure why don't we stay hiding under our beds until there's a vaccine?

Restrictions do nothing but kick the can down the road. They may play well to the hard-of-thinking but the bill for all this nonsense is coming in the post - we'll see what the appetite for months more restrictions are like when people suddenly realise what we need to pay for it.

MadYaker · 15-09-2020 06:45PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

No, I do follow the news.

What happened after the initial lockdown was eased?

Cases shot up again.

And it'll happen again as we ease things.

But let's keep ruining people's lives....

Yes cases shot up after lockdown shock horror. That was always going to happen and was always part of the plan. Lockdown was not some magic wand to eliminate the virus, it's purpose was to get numbers down to levels that were manageable and it did that.

MadYaker · 15-09-2020 06:47PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Yeah - that only cost 10's of billions of euros - sure why don't we stay hiding under our beds until there's a vaccine?

Restrictions do nothing but kick the can down the road. They may play well to the hard-of-thinking but the bill for all this nonsense is coming in the post - we'll see what the appetite for months more restrictions are like when people suddenly realise what we need to pay for it.

You are the hard of thinking, so much so that you can't even see it.

15-09-2020 06:48PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Micheal Martin still insisting that Dublin is at level 2 on the news here.

I really don't know why this is the battle he's fighting. It's obvious there's a difference between the restrictions in Dublin and the rest of the country.

All this does is make them look incompetent and will lose more support from the general public.

Now he's saying NPHET retain discretion though the 5 levels. It's not a plan at all. It's a vague statement of intent with no defined thresholds or conditions to move from one to the next.

And he's wrapping it up with an increasing level of annoyance and argument over having these discrepancies pointed out to him

How long can this government last at this point?

They have been tragic since day 1.

Today seems to be the day that even the most pro restrictions posters are giving up.

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 06:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How long can this government last at this point?

They have been tragic since day 1.

Today seems to be the day that even the most pro restrictions posters are giving up.

Leo won't be in any rush to go to the polls (how could they hold an election anyway under current conditions), and Eamon is gone missing again. Besides, let's not forget that both are partners in the current arrangement and we are here precisely because Leo and FG alienated the electorate last time out.

The problem is Micheal's only real goal was to become Taoiseach. He apparently has no idea what to do now he's there. This new "plan" is very similar to their programme for Government - lengthy, vague and full of holes.

facehugger99 · 15-09-2020 07:00PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Yes cases shot up after lockdown shock horror. That was always going to happen and was always part of the plan. Lockdown was not some magic wand to eliminate the virus, it's purpose was to get numbers down to levels that were manageable and it did that.

Hilarious stuff.

Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

hynesie08 · 15-09-2020 07:00PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Leo won't be in any rush to go to the polls (how could they hold an election anyway under current conditions), and Eamon is gone missing again. Besides, let's not forget that both are partners in the current arrangement and we are here precisely because Leo and FG alienated the electorate last time out.

The problem is Micheal's only real goal was to become Taoiseach. He apparently has no idea what to do now he's there. This new "plan" is very similar to their programme for Government - lengthy, vague and full of holes.

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CalamariFritti · 15-09-2020 07:02PM

rusty cole wrote: »

The news article was so intent on scaring the public, that it made an actual Freudian slip!!

in the race to scaremonger, look at the stupid mistake, can you spot it!!!

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/not-a-stable-place-%e2%80%94-dublin-heading-for-5000-covid-cases-and-50-deaths-a-day-expert-wants/ar-BB193BL0?li=BBr5KbJ

Either they updated the article or I'm a bit slow. Probably the latter. Not getting it.

hynesie08 · 15-09-2020 07:14PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hilarious stuff.

Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

They've literally said since day 1 the plan was to not overwhelm hospitals, eliminating cases has never been the agenda.

weldoninhio · 15-09-2020 07:18PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Either they updated the article or I'm a bit slow. Probably the latter. Not getting it.

Headline, expert ............

MadYaker · 15-09-2020 07:19PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hilarious stuff.

Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

No I don't? Not sure why thats relevant

Did you honestly think the initial lockdown was supposed to eliminate the virus? The zero covid approach was never realistic and was never our plan as outlined by the government back in March. Reduction of numbers to a manageable level was the purpose of lockdown, it achieved that purpose. We all knew cases would increase after lockdown. The challenge is to try and balance the spread of the virus against an open-as-possible society / economy.

walus · 15-09-2020 08:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Strumms your numbers are spectacularly wrong and do your argument no good whatsoever.

<0.1% of those who get flu die, and 0.4-0.8% of those who get covid

More like 0.25-0.37% mortality rate for Covid.

CalamariFritti · 15-09-2020 08:14PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Headline, expert ............

lol never even registered. The brain is a miraculous thing.

lucernarian · 15-09-2020 08:38PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

High risk people are the ones in nursing homes who will never again see outside the door of those facilities regardless of a vaccine.

High risk are not those healthy enough to be out and about.

The vaccine won't change that, it will be hard for you to accept that, but it is the case.

This is completely false. There's a whole lot of immunocompromised people out there who could live normal lives for many years but for an infectious disease that's come along with basically no disease or vaccine... This is so myopic.

Assetbacked · 15-09-2020 09:08PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Yes cases shot up after lockdown shock horror. That was always going to happen and was always part of the plan. Lockdown was not some magic wand to eliminate the virus, it's purpose was to get numbers down to levels that were manageable and it did that.

What numbers are you referring to that need to be manageable?

brisan · 15-09-2020 09:27PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

What numbers are you referring to that need to be manageable?

I would assume numbers in hospitals and ICU in particular
Schools are now the priority with hospitals second
Everything in the Governments power will be done to keep schools open
WFH to keep public transport free for pupils and staff and the economy kept on life support
If that means closing bars restaurants shops again they will do it but schools will be kept open wherever possible

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0913/1164922-micheal-martin-twip/

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 09:49PM

So Donnelly is negative. That's (genuinely) good news anyway. Dail is back in session and business as usual tomorrow. Very quick turnaround though. I thought it took a few days?

Leo now on Prime Time trying to do damage control on the mess of a plan

jojofizzio · 15-09-2020 09:51PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So Donnelly is negative. That's (genuinely) good news anyway. Dail is back in session and business as usual tomorrow. Very quick turnaround though. I thought it took a few days?

Leo now on Prime Time trying to do damage control on the mess of a plan

Doing a great job of bigging up what was done under his watch...”crushing the curve”...:pac:

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 10:02PM

Travel restrictions are still as clear as mud.

Leo should just stop talking. He's just making it worse.

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 10:14PM

Thank god they have a bit of sense after the good professor Staines and his hysteria-led nonsense. It's not the lockdowns and restrictions, or impact on business that's causing the economic damage at all - its the virus

Wow... Just wow :rolleyes:

JRant · 15-09-2020 10:24PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So Donnelly is negative. That's (genuinely) good news anyway. Dail is back in session and business as usual tomorrow. Very quick turnaround though. I thought it took a few days?

Leo now on Prime Time trying to do damage control on the mess of a plan

Same as the last "plan" they announced. Full of verbage and very little substance. No real lifting of restrictions at any time in it. Level 1 should be back to normal, as you were people, it's fully under control. No firm figures on what triggers a move from one level to the next other than NPHET says so. Not good enough, not by a long shot. It would appear that living with COVID means living with NPHET and a complete abdication of responsibility by the government.

Happydays2020 · 15-09-2020 10:27PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So Donnelly is negative. That's (genuinely) good news anyway. Dail is back in session and business as usual tomorrow. Very quick turnaround though. I thought it took a few days?

Leo now on Prime Time trying to do damage control on the mess of a plan

Yes good news but why the hell did he go to a Cabinet meeting with a Covid symptom - he was coughing during his ratio interview before Cabinet, then again at the presser and was told he had to get tested. People have been sacked for less in recent weeks.

walus · 15-09-2020 10:28PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Thank god they have a bit of sense after the good professor Staines and his hysteria-led nonsense. It's not the lockdowns and restrictions, or impact on business that's causing the economic damage at all - its the virus

Wow... Just wow :rolleyes:

I mentioned the same in one of my previous posts. Same cognitive shortcuts were all over last weeks prime time as well. It seems like these boys know they fcuked it up and are changing the narrative already to moderate people perception of the origin of all the issues that are ahead. A form of brain washing.

15-09-2020 10:32PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Either they updated the article or I'm a bit slow. Probably the latter. Not getting it.

read the headline...50 deaths a day "Expert WANTS"! not warns!

meaning, the journo is creaming so badly at the notion of wanting high numbers to make the headlines..they actually wrote WANTS 50 deaths not warns of 50 deaths a day!!

Its typical media nowadays, first to print and fact check/edit later, details and truth be damned, You'd get more truth out of L Ron hubbard FFS!

Penfailed · 15-09-2020 11:29PM

walus wrote: »

More like 0.25-0.37% mortality rate for Covid.

So if flu is less than 0.1%, Covid is at least 2.5 to 3.7 times more deadly. There's one or two posters on here that claim it's the same or not as bad as the flu.

FixdePitchmark · 15-09-2020 11:35PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Travel restrictions are still as clear as mud.

Leo should just stop talking. He's just making it worse.

Martin said people may have obligations.

Opens door a little for pre existing obligations?

Dont make any new plans.

It is fairly short notice , if you are actually going tomorrow.

normanoffside · 15-09-2020 11:36PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So if flu is less than 0.1%, Covid is at least 2.5 to 3.7 times more deadly. There's one or two posters on here that claim it's the same or not as bad as the flu.

Depends on the demographics of the population.
It’s a lot less deadly than flu in the younger population, especially children. Flu can be quite deadly in children, Covid much less so.

Covid is much more deadly than flu in the older population, but then again there is a flu vaccine given to the majority of the elderly every year.

So once we have a vaccine it should be a lot less deadly than flu.

hmmm · 15-09-2020 11:37PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So if flu is less than 0.1%, Covid is at least 2.5 to 3.7 times more deadly. There's one or two posters on here that claim it's the same or not as bad as the flu.

Flu is about 0.01% - we lose about 200 to 500 people a year to Flu. The other thing about Flu is that we have some innate immunity, so only a relatively small percentage of the population will get it - whereas with Covid that is likely to be far higher. It's perfectly built to overwhelm hospitals.

patnor1011 · 15-09-2020 11:47PM

hmmm wrote: »

Flu is about 0.01% - we lose about 200 to 500 people a year to Flu. The other thing about Flu is that we have some innate immunity, so only a relatively small percentage of the population will get it - whereas with Covid that is likely to be far higher. It's perfectly built to overwhelm hospitals.

Nothing particularly worrying with overwhelmed hospitals considering that it was actually our reality for the last 15 years anyway.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings