Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Zebra3 · 15-09-2020 01:11PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I’m not a selfish cnut, so I’m prepared to compromise my lifestyle so that EVERYONE can have as good a quality of life as possible while we get through this. That’s known as compassion.

My parents are vulnerable.

They currently have very poor quality of life. They know they need to protect themselves if they want to avoid this.

The rest of the country having huge restrictions does nothing for them.

Just ruins other people's lives.

But you don't care about the rest of us.

Bully for you.

hmmm · 15-09-2020 01:11PM

polesheep wrote: »

I am not missing any point. If you don't want to catch the virus then protect yourself. Stop expecting me to protect you. This is the way the wind is finally starting to blow.

It's really not, only in your head.

Society imposes restrictions on what you can and can't do to protect everyone. You can't do 100kph outside a school, or drive on the wrong side of the road. This is no different.

You can't stop a respiratory virus from spreading across the population unless everyone does their bit.

hmmm · 15-09-2020 01:13PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Would the creation of a vaccine not allow removal of all restrictions?

Vaccines are not going to be perfect, and we need a large uptake. They're going to massively reduce risk but they won't remove all risks. Hopefully we can get it down to something like the Flu, so vulnerable groups will be able to do most of what they would normally do but have to avoid certain high-risk locations.

FintanMcluskey · 15-09-2020 01:13PM

hmmm wrote: »

You can't stop a respiratory virus from spreading across the population unless everyone does their bit.

Why has influenza not required the removal of democratic rights in the past?

polesheep · 15-09-2020 01:16PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's really not, only in your head.

Society imposes restrictions on what you can and can't do to protect everyone. You can't do 100kph outside a school, or drive on the wrong side of the road. This is no different.

You can't stop a respiratory virus from spreading across the population unless everyone does their bit.

It really is, which is why there is such a panic about the Dublin numbers.

There is near universal agreement regarding speed an schools, that's how we have a rule for it. This temporary situation regarding a virus doesn't equate to the same thing.

You may not be happy about it, but the herd really is moving on now. The authorities know this better than anyone else, which explains their half-arsed measures - they know the people won't go along with the measures that they would like to impose.

FintanMcluskey · 15-09-2020 01:17PM

hmmm wrote: »

Hopefully we can get it down to something like the Flu, so vulnerable groups will be able to do most of what they would normally do but have to avoid certain high-risk locations.

High risk people are the ones in nursing homes who will never again see outside the door of those facilities regardless of a vaccine.

High risk are not those healthy enough to be out and about.

The vaccine won't change that, it will be hard for you to accept that, but it is the case.

pjohnson · 15-09-2020 01:17PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's really not, only in your head.

Society imposes restrictions on what you can and can't do to protect everyone. You can't do 100kph outside a school, or drive on the wrong side of the road. This is no different.

You can't stop a respiratory virus from spreading across the population unless everyone does their bit.

I imagine the people here complaining about restrictions also complain about those laws. And of course its worth remembering that in reality there are plenty of people in Ireland who don't actually adhere to rules or law anyway so naturally they will continue rebel against anything affecting their regular activities. People ignore the law when it suits and speed/drink or drug drive etc. once they have thier fun thats all that matters.

polesheep · 15-09-2020 01:20PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I imagine the people here complaining about restrictions also complain about those laws. And of course its worth remembering that in reality there are plenty of people in Ireland who don't actually adhere to rules or law anyway so naturally they will continue rebel against anything affecting their regular activities.

You could simply have said, "Anyone who disagrees with my point of view is a criminal."

FintanMcluskey · 15-09-2020 01:20PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I imagine the people here complaining about restrictions also complain about those laws. And of course its worth remembering that in reality there are plenty of people in Ireland who don't actually adhere to rules or law anyway so naturally they will continue rebel against anything affecting their regular activities.

Your posts remind me of Sinn Féins debating style.

Offer little, but sling mud while feigning outrage

hmmm · 15-09-2020 01:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why has influenza not required the removal of democratic rights in the past?

We have implemented public health laws in the country quite frequently in the past. For TB in particular public health laws were pretty draconian if you were a carrier.

Not sure what "democratic rights" are being impacted, I don't believe anyone is planning on suspending the supreme court or removing your right to vote.

FintanMcluskey · 15-09-2020 01:28PM

hmmm wrote: »

We have implemented public health laws in the country quite frequently in the past. For TB in particular public health laws were pretty draconian if you were a carrier..

So they quarantined the sick with TB.

Made more sense than to quarantine the healthy.

Back then we had leaders in Ireland I suppose

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 01:29PM

I was listening to Donnelly on RTE R1 just now saying Dublin is at level 2 like the rest of the country.. but then goes on to list the exceptions regarding pubs, gatherings and says it's "disappointing" that people are calling out this disconnect. :rolleyes:

Sees it as people trying to confuse the message and wishes they'd get behind the message/measures. He seemed more concerned with taking shots at the opposition than answering the questions/points raised in the interview.

JDD · 15-09-2020 01:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why has influenza not required the removal of democratic rights in the past?

Because there is a vaccine that is 70% effective. And there is only a quarter of the number of deaths from the flu than there is from Covid-19. And only half the population get the flu shot, so that could be decreased to 12.5% the number of deaths if everyone got the shot.

So that's why you don't have to wear a mask to prevent flu infections.

Zebra3 · 15-09-2020 01:33PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I was listening to Donnelly on RTE R1 just now saying Dublin is at level 2 like the rest of the country.. but then goes on to list the exceptions regarding pubs, gatherings and says it's "disappointing" that people are calling out this disconnect. :rolleyes:

Sees it as people trying to confuse the message and wishes they'd get behind the message/measures. He seemed more concerned with taking shots at the opposition than answering the questions/points raised in the interview.

Stephen Donnelly.

A man who slagged off FF for years to bolster his own career and then joined them.

Who in their right mind would listen to man so completely bereft of any credibility?

Happydays2020 · 15-09-2020 01:34PM

They call the plan “Living with Covid” but for many people it is “Existing with Covid”.

weldoninhio · 15-09-2020 01:40PM

So Dublin is at Stage 2.5, and the pubs can't open. So you'd expect that stage 3 would mean pubs closed. Wrong!! These people are idiots, in their pack pubs are even allowed open at stage 4 with restrictions. Morons running the show.

John O.Groats · 15-09-2020 01:44PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why has influenza not required the removal of democratic rights in the past?

Removal of democratic rights my bollox. Either give a list of what democratic rights have been suspended or quit it with the fake outrage.

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 01:44PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So Dublin is at Stage 2.5, and the pubs can't open. So you'd expect that stage 3 would mean pubs closed. Wrong!! These people are idiots, in their pack pubs are even allowed open at stage 4 with restrictions. Morons running the show.

Donnelly insists Dublin is at level 2. Refused to acknowledge the obvious flaw with that statement vs the additional restrictions imposed.

weldoninhio · 15-09-2020 01:46PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Donnelly insists Dublin is at level 2. Refused to acknowledge the obvious flaw with that statement vs the additional restrictions imposed.

Wet pubs can remain open even at level 4, with restrictions. Who came up with this nonsense.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dc29a-level-4/#wet-pubs

Wet pubs
Outdoor seating only, limited to a maximum of 15 patrons.

Nightclubs, discos and casinos

Nightclubs, discos and casinos will remain closed.

15-09-2020 01:53PM

Are wet pubs allowed to open in stage 3 and 4 but not in 2.5?

paw patrol · 15-09-2020 01:56PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Wet pubs can remain open even at level 4, with restrictions. Who came up with this nonsense.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dc29a-level-4/#wet-pubs

Wet pubs
Outdoor seating only, limited to a maximum of 15 patrons.
coveney and michael martin would only relish the thought of banning protests they didn't like. And the greens ...don't even go there.

Nightclubs, discos and casinos will remain closed.

as they are at level 1

so till next march (or this is scrapped) there are no Nightclubs, discos and casinos in ireland.
The puritans sure won out there.
Christmas to a large degree is f8cked

Zebra3 · 15-09-2020 01:57PM

paw patrol wrote: »

as they are at level 1

so till next march (or this is scrapped) there are no Nightclubs, discos and casinos in ireland.
The puritans sure won out there.
Christmas to a large degree is f8cked

Remember that movie Footloose and you think there couldn't possibly be a place anywhere in the world like that........ :pac:

PTH2009 · 15-09-2020 01:58PM

Good lord farcical

So whats the timeline of all this waffle

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 01:59PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Good lord farcical

So whats the timeline of all this waffle

Starts from midnight. Will run through the next 6 months (at least)

Strumms · 15-09-2020 02:03PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Ah yes, the disposable oldies.

My elderly mother will thank you for your concern. I'd nearly forgotten what a charmer you are.

Like over 65’s are ‘disposable’ all of a sudden.

They are entitled to life, a good life, a safe life, as are the rest of us.

15-09-2020 02:05PM

Strumms wrote: »

Like over 65’s are ‘disposable’ all of a sudden.

They are entitled to life, a good life, a safe life, as are the rest of us.

Did someone say they weren’t?

Strumms · 15-09-2020 02:17PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why has influenza not required the removal of democratic rights in the past?

Because ...

3.4 % of people who get covid die.

Less than 1% of people who get flu die. Year to year it varies as in the exact number but always less then 1 %. A lot less.

That’s a huge fûcking difference.

There are 4.9 million people in the Republic of Ireland...

If you infected each person in the country in an imaginary scenario with covid, then flu...

166,600 will die of Covid.

49,000 would die in a flu epidemic using (1%)

Covid more than 3 times as fatal, potentially.

Strumms · 15-09-2020 02:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did someone say they weren’t?

It’s been said and implied, a number of times here that they weren’t.

15-09-2020 02:23PM

Strumms wrote: »

Because ...

3.4 % of people who get covid die.

Less than 1% of people who get flu die. Year to year it varies as in the exact number but always less then 1 %. A lot less.

That’s a huge fûcking difference.

There are 4.9 million people in the Republic of Ireland...

If you infected each person in the country in an imaginary scenario with covid, then flu...

166,600 will die of Covid.

49,000 would die in a flu epidemic using (1%)

Covid more than 3 times as fatal, potentially.

No they don't

15-09-2020 02:23PM

Strumms wrote: »

It’s been said and implied, a number of times here that they weren’t.

Literally nobody has said that old people aren't entitled to life.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings