Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 04:12PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought a PR company was hired, if so they should be fired after that press conference

I would say MM fudged it deliberately so he could fire Alan Kelly's brother

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 04:12PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

It looks like they spent all week just changing it from a 4 phase to colours to now a 5 stage framework. But it seems to all be the same makey-up policies as they go along.

We don't really know the criteria of each stage, we don't know what the plan is, and there's no mention how to move to lower stages. So basically, 'as you were' ...

Dublin Level 3 - rest of the country Level 2 @200 daily cases. At 500+ cases a day we would probably be looking at Level 5 - i.e. the last resort. Level 4 would probably be 400, maybe at 200+ cases a day in Dublin.

iamwhoiam · 15-09-2020 04:12PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just as an example, my thinking was that it would be ok for me, my husband and 2 Kids to visit my Mum one day and for my sister, her husband and child to visit a different day. As long as the 2 visits didn't overlap.

(My Mum doesn't live in Dublin but just using an example)

Mine too , thank you

Ger Roe · 15-09-2020 04:12PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just as an example, my thinking was that it would be ok for me, my husband and 2 Kids to visit my Mum one day and for my sister, her husband and child to visit a different day. As long as the 2 visits didn't overlap.

(My Mum doesn't live in Dublin but just using an example)

The virus doesn't care if visits overlap. Once it's in.... it's in. Limit social contacts, for all circumstances, everywhere.

The I step out and she steps in again approach is more contact and more risk... whatever way you look at it, .... even if the gov tells us that it is 'allowed' in whatever phase of part phase of a plan.

Charles Babbage · 15-09-2020 04:13PM

polesheep wrote: »

It's a radio programme not the Open University. Anything should be possible on a radio programme. Unless, of course, you see RTE as a propaganda tool.

How about discussion on having sex with children, should that be allowed? Robbing cars? Children driving trucks? Banning homosexuals from your pub?

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 04:13PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

The virus doesn't care if visits overlap. Once it's in.... it's in. Limit social contacts, for all circumstances, everywhere.

The I step out and she steps in again approach is more contact and more risk... whatever way you look at it, .... even if the gov tells us that it is 'allowed' in whatever phase of part phase of a plan.

So no contact at all is safe, right?

speckle · 15-09-2020 04:14PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

It looks like they spent all week just changing it from a 4 phase to colours to now a 5 stage framework. But it seems to all be the same makey-up policies as they go along.

We don't really know the criteria of each stage, we don't know what the plan is, and there's no mention how to move to lower stages. So basically, 'as you were' ...

I did post here a couple of days ago that a five stage plan would not work.

15-09-2020 04:14PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

But isn't that just from a contact tracing point of view, not as regards the actual risk of cross infection?
But well done to you for working that one out !

Well I actually got it wrong first time, but applies equally to contact tracing and risk for slightly different reasons. A good rule of thumb might be have different households on different nights but leave 48 hours between visits

JP Liz V1 · 15-09-2020 04:15PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Could be around ~450 cases announced this evening if they clear the backlog

If 200+ in Dublin today, it needs locking down asap, the government need to grow a pair, spineless useless idiots, start giving out large fines for any breachs

Ger Roe · 15-09-2020 04:16PM

is_that_so wrote: »

So no contact at all is safe, right?

I'm not going to bite on this one... cause you know what I said is fact ... don't you?

Less contact = less risk. Make your own choices after that.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 04:16PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

4th Cork school, this time in Ballincollig with a positive case

Yep another up here too.

Non solum non ambulabit · 15-09-2020 04:19PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

If 200+ in Dublin today, it needs locking down asap, the government need to grow a pair, spineless useless idiots, start giving out large fines for any breachs

Did you not read the new grading system? There will be no lockdown of Dublin or anywhere else. Not until Level 5 which i suspect we will never get to.

Oranage2 · 15-09-2020 04:19PM

speckle wrote: »

I did post here a couple of days ago that a five stage plan would not work.

What really need is a plan involving shapes.

Rhombus means safe
Circle means caution
Triangle means danger

That's a system I could get behind.

15-09-2020 04:21PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

If 200+ in Dublin today, it needs locking down asap, the government need to grow a pair, spineless useless idiots, start giving out large fines for any breachs

Nah, we might move to 2.6 though.

Gruffalux · 15-09-2020 04:21PM

If you plan on having the two sets of inlaws over for the Christmas move them all into your house now so you are one household and then you have scope for the kids to come home too for the festivities. That should also take all your angst off the pandemic

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-09-2020 04:22PM

What a puny plan

Gods Gift · 15-09-2020 04:22PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

What really need is a plan involving shapes.

Rhombus means safe
Circle means caution
Triangle means danger

That's a system I could get behind.

A triangle within a square within a circle = no shifting.

tobefrank321 · 15-09-2020 04:23PM

Interesting report from the UK.

For the week ending 4th September, 1500 fewer people died of all causes than in a normal year. This is likely to continue for a number of weeks. It probably indicates a couple of things - people dying from infectious diseases is down because of social distancing and many people who died of covid earlier in the year would have died at some stage this year.

It will be interesting to see the full year excess deaths comparison for a country like the UK at the end of 2020.

This is the report from UK ONS.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending4september2020

Although there is a caveat!

The week ending 4 September (Week 36) contained the late August bank holiday, which would have contributed to the decreased number of deaths registered and the decrease in deaths registered involving COVID-19.

shinzon · 15-09-2020 04:25PM

Glad I was working and didnt listen to the press conference going by the last few pages it was a complete ****show.

How can you hire a PR firm and still **** it up.

Shin

wadacrack · 15-09-2020 04:25PM

Clusters now in schools must be at about 70. Can't think of any attributed to sports events, yet their still remains strict protocols in place/How this virus transmits seems to have been forgotten about by the government

stockshares · 15-09-2020 04:26PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

What really need is a plan involving shapes.

Rhombus means safe
Circle means caution
Triangle means danger

That's a system I could get behind.

That's far too confusing. 5 level plan is best with constant fluctuations based on what way the wind is blowing

JP Liz V1 · 15-09-2020 04:26PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

A triangle within a square within a circle = no shifting.

Is spooning allowed

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 04:27PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

The virus doesn't care if visits overlap. Once it's in.... it's in. Limit social contacts, for all circumstances, everywhere.

The I step out and she steps in again approach is more contact and more risk... whatever way you look at it, .... even if the gov tells us that it is 'allowed' in whatever phase of part phase of a plan.

Yes I think this is right .

Sorry iamwhoiam and SusanC, but if you pick it up and visit a family group one day , then a few days later visit another, but are asymptomatic that is all of you infected possibly . Forget the contact tracing , its down to stopping the spread.

That is why nursing homes are now limited to one designated person visiting , it isn't one person this week and another next .

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 04:27PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

I'm not going to bite on this one... cause you know what I said is fact ... don't you?

Less contact = less risk. Make your own choices after that.

I can see you have a particularly stark perspective on it but each to their own. We're all different.

15-09-2020 04:27PM

in the race to scaremonger, look at the stupid mistake, can you spot it!!!

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/not-a-stable-place-%e2%80%94-dublin-heading-for-5000-covid-cases-and-50-deaths-a-day-expert-wants/ar-BB193BL0?li=BBr5KbJ

stockshares · 15-09-2020 04:27PM

shinzon wrote: »

Glad I was working and didnt listen to the press conference going by the last few pages it was a complete ****show.

How can you hire a PR firm and still **** it up.

Shin

After the big build up it turned out to be the worst of the lot. Too many chiefs

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 04:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

So no contact at all is safe, right?

Yes , but cocooning is not what is being discussed .

lethalJB · 15-09-2020 04:30PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Clusters now in schools must be at about 70. Can't think of any attributed to sports events, yet their still remains strict protocols in place/How this virus transmits seems to have been forgotten about by the government

Not sure of sporting events here but there have been reports of outdoor sports leading to cases in other countries eg over 60 people at a charity game in the UK tested positive.

stephenjmcd · 15-09-2020 04:30PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Clusters now in schools must be at about 70. Can't think of any attributed to sports events, yet their still remains strict protocols in place/How this virus transmits seems to have been forgotten about by the government

There's no data given on schools through HPSC from what I can see.

Also a cluster is 2 or more cases that can be linked to each other. Haven't seen any reports of clusters in schools reaching the likes of 70.

There's cases in those of school going age and its much more than 70 but no data on clusters in schools

ACitizenErased · 15-09-2020 04:31PM

They said at the last presser there’s no outbreaks in schools. Just one school had more than 1 case.

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