Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Ger Roe · 15-09-2020 03:48PM

stockshares wrote: »

How was this calculated and where does the info come from?

There was a post a couple if days ago saying that cases the next day would be announced as 350+ but that was wrong.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Benimar · 15-09-2020 03:48PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Holy Moly, please say this is just an anecdote

“Just the facts ma’am, just the facts”

GooglePlus · 15-09-2020 03:48PM

dashoonage wrote: »

maths

Woah woah, slow down egg head..

Double O Seven · 15-09-2020 03:48PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Holy Moly, please say this is just an anecdote

How is that number a surprise? Sure we were told back in February that inevitably up to 70% of the population would get Covid 19.

Oranage2 · 15-09-2020 03:50PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Or an outlier

I'm starting to believe that the original outlier wasn't an outlier at all. The days of 10-15 cases was the outlier

Benimar · 15-09-2020 03:50PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Or an outlier

In fairness, I think he will end up being correct, just not in the direction he thought!

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 03:51PM

Double O Seven wrote: »

How is that number a surprise? Sure we were told back in February that inevitably up to 70% of the population would get Covid 19.

Even with these increases it'd be the year 2100 before we hit 70%!

iamwhoiam · 15-09-2020 03:52PM

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf1f3-special-measures-in-place-for-dublin/

I have read this three times and I am still not sure about the “ one other household “

Can you have one household with 6 people visit on a Monday and 6 from another visit you on a Thursday ?
As long their visit doesn’t coincide thats ok ?

BLIZZARD7 · 15-09-2020 03:52PM

Could be around ~450 cases announced this evening if they clear the backlog

GooglePlus · 15-09-2020 03:52PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Even with these increases it'd be the year 2100 before we hit 70%!

So best to hold off any plans until then.

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 03:55PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

So best to hold off any plans until then.

For some people yes!

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 03:57PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf1f3-special-measures-in-place-for-dublin/

I have read this three times and I am still not sure about the “ one other household “

Can you have one household with 6 people visit on a Monday and 6 from another visit you on a Thursday ?
As long their visit doesn’t coincide thats ok ?

I took it that it was just the one household , full stop, you should be mixing with until cases settle?
Or you could have a different group every night , if you go with the second option, but that wouldn't limit your contacts .

Is it badly written , or what ?

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 03:59PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf1f3-special-measures-in-place-for-dublin/

I have read this three times and I am still not sure about the “ one other household “

Can you have one household with 6 people visit on a Monday and 6 from another visit you on a Thursday ?
As long their visit doesn’t coincide thats ok ?

Do you really have the conundrum of multiple visits at present? The main message is the 6! At Level 2 that can be up to 3 households and Level 3 only 1.

iamwhoiam · 15-09-2020 03:59PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I took it that it was just the one household , full stop, you should be mixing with until cases settle?
Or you could have a different group every night , if you go with the second option, but that wouldn't limit your contacts .

No but it would limit them meeting ? Oh now I don’t know either ?
Such a shambles of a briefing today . I am non the wiser at all

What Username Guidelines · 15-09-2020 03:59PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Could be around ~450 cases announced this evening if they clear the backlog

Of course they will, take the spotlight off the absolute shambles this morning.

Ger Roe · 15-09-2020 04:00PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf1f3-special-measures-in-place-for-dublin/

I have read this three times and I am still not sure about the “ one other household “

Can you have one household with 6 people visit on a Monday and 6 from another visit you on a Thursday ?
As long their visit doesn’t coincide thats ok ?

Forget about the detail... accept the general intent - restrict your movements and limit your social contacts. Apply that across all situations, not just household visits.

That's the intention, the endless listing of situations and applicable scenarios are all ways designed to enforce the basic principles - but they usually fail as people to find their own specific loophole to blow holes in the letter of the guideline, as opposed to observing the spirit of it.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 04:01PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No but it would limit them meeting ? Oh now I don’t know either ?
Such a shambles of a briefing today . I am non the wiser at all

Any journos on here who could ask the question and clarify for us?

iamwhoiam · 15-09-2020 04:01PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Do you really have the conundrum of multiple visits at present? The main message is the 6! At Level 2 that can be up to 3 households and Level 3 only 1.

Yes i do . So you tell me what it actually means ? I have had multiple texts asking the same
The wording is “ at any given time “

JP Liz V1 · 15-09-2020 04:02PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I cannot comprehend how they went ahead with the press conference when they clearly couldn't verbalise the message and the document was still a work-in-progress?
What other organisation would do that? Why not delay and do the press conference at a later time or day.
Our political system is reaching new lows with this government. We are only on Day 80.

I thought a PR company was hired, if so they should be fired after that press conference

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 04:05PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yes i do . So you tell me what it actually means ? I have had multiple texts asking the same
The wording is “ at any given time “

Which means no more than 6 at a time. It's just writing down what the CMO has been saying.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 04:05PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Forget about the detail... accept the general intent - restrict your movements and limit your social contacts. Apply that across all situations, not just household visits.

That's the intention, the endless listing of situations and applicable scenarios are all ways designed to enforce the basic principles - but they usually fail as people to find their own specific loophole to blow holes in the letter of the guideline, as opposed to observing the spirit of it.

Its a very valid question though and it shows how easy it is for people not to understand what the guidelines are saying without anyone who has a clue explaining .
I thought it was the first option until iamwhoiam asked , now i don't know.

15-09-2020 04:05PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf1f3-special-measures-in-place-for-dublin/

I have read this three times and I am still not sure about the “ one other household “

Can you have one household with 6 people visit on a Monday and 6 from another visit you on a Thursday ?
As long their visit doesn’t coincide thats ok ?

Yes. If there is a case in one household, only one other is impacted.
House A, B and C.

B visits A Monday
C visits A Thursday.

Positive case on Friday
Positive Case in B. A isolates, C becomes secondary contacts until there is a confirmed cases in A - correction A only required to isolate if B became symptomatic on or before wednesday

Positive case in C - only A implicated

Positive Case in A, Only C implicated as B > 48 hours.

B & C visit A Thursday - everyone goosed for 14 days

speckle · 15-09-2020 04:05PM

Well, after reading the plan/framework, I can safely say, that I would have accomplished a better job.(if some one would type/spell check for me)
In fact, even though many here are, in opposite camps on certain covid issues, I think that even the members of boards, would have come up with a clearer plan.

SusanC10 · 15-09-2020 04:05PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No but it would limit them meeting ? Oh now I don’t know either ?
Such a shambles of a briefing today . I am non the wiser at all

Just as an example, my thinking was that it would be ok for me, my husband and 2 Kids to visit my Mum one day and for my sister, her husband and child to visit a different day. As long as the 2 visits didn't overlap.

(My Mum doesn't live in Dublin but just using an example)

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 04:07PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought a PR company was hired, if so they should be fired after that press conference

They can only work with what they are given in terms of presenters! However, I did see various TDs and ministers being rolled out in the media from very early to promote this.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 04:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. If there is a case in one household, only one other is impacted.
House A, B and C.

B visits A Monday
C visits A Thursday.

Positive case on Friday
Positive Case in B. A isolates, C becomes secondary contacts until there is a confirmed cases in A

Positive case in C - only A implicated

Positive Case in A, Only C implicated as B > 48 hours.

B & C visit A Thursday - everyone goosed for 14 days

But isn't that just from a contact tracing point of view, not as regards the actual risk of cross infection?
But well done to you for working that one out !

Oranage2 · 15-09-2020 04:08PM

It looks like they spent all week just changing it from a 4 phase to colours to now a 5 stage framework. But it seems to all be the same makey-up policies as they go along.

We don't really know the criteria of each stage, we don't know what the plan is, and there's no mention how to move to lower stages. So basically, 'as you were' ...

JP Liz V1 · 15-09-2020 04:10PM

4th Cork school, this time in Ballincollig with a positive case

FixdePitchmark · 15-09-2020 04:11PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Long Covid is an issue without a doubt. Iv'e had two "false dawns" recovering from the virus and if im 100% honest with myself im beginning to wonder if i'll ever feel the way i did last year again.

I'm back running but struggling at the 3-4 klms mark where i could have ran a marathon this time last year.

I realise a lot of people who have had it are over it in a matter of days or some feel no effects at all but make no mistake if you get a high viral load of this thing you will suffer.

Do you know where or how you got it ?

iamwhoiam · 15-09-2020 04:11PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Forget about the detail... accept the general intent - restrict your movements and limit your social contacts. Apply that across all situations, not just household visits.

That's the intention, the endless listing of situations and applicable scenarios are all ways designed to enforce the basic principles - but they usually fail as people to find their own specific loophole to blow holes in the letter of the guideline, as opposed to observing the spirit of it.

I have been doing that since March . Unfortunately others haven’t been . I am not looking for a loophole I am looking for clarity . Do you stick to one family visiting for three weeks or have another family visit you next week ? It is absolutely not clear in my opinion

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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