Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

GooglePlus · 15-09-2020 08:34AM

So other than the household restrictions, what will be different in Dublin compared to how things currently are? Cases are climbing with the way things currently are and these restrictions don't seem to change much at all so I can't see the cases coming down with a household restriction that can't even be enforced.

Eod100 · 15-09-2020 08:34AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Cabinet meeting getting underway now so should be an early enough press conference.

Whatever the levels are they come in from midnight tonight

RTE radio 1 said there would be news now special from 11.20 so looks like speculation it may be between 11.30-12 but may be earlier too

Boggles · 15-09-2020 08:42AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

So other than the household restrictions, what will be different in Dublin compared to how things currently are? Cases are climbing with the way things currently are and these restrictions don't seem to change much at all so I can't see the cases coming down with a household restriction that can't even be enforced.

Venues are to remained closed which have absolutely no bearing on the current rate of spread.

Oh and 5.7 people from 2.3 households.

Dublin will be placed on level 2.472.

Take that virus!!!

caveat emptor · 15-09-2020 08:50AM

This made me laugh.

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1305612543801647104?s=20

ninebeanrows · 15-09-2020 08:58AM

If government do anything too much here it will be the straw that breaks the camels back

People are fatigued , angry and skeptical at this stage and more restrictions will not be received well.

It will be a blood bath if they aren’t careful

drunkmonkey · 15-09-2020 09:00AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

This made me laugh.

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1305612543801647104?s=20

This made me laugh,

Meanwhile in Ireland, Professor Martin Cormican, HSE clinical lead on infection control, has suggested contract tracing should still be carried out even if someone who tests positive, or their close contacts, were all wearing face masks at the time. Face masks did not necessarily downgrade the public health risk.

rob316 · 15-09-2020 09:04AM

They are already making a balls out of this 5 level alert system. I understand it's a big deal placing restrictions on the capital but it's like saying "you cant go above this number, except for Dublin".
Surely with the population density of Dublin it's even more critical they are given special treatment.

drunkmonkey · 15-09-2020 09:05AM

Jennifer Zamparelli is apologising already....must have got a good finger wagging by the Gulags, has now changed her tune That's some about turn, gutless behavior. Have the discussion. Grow a pair.
Discussion cancelled, disgraceful.

Funsterdelux · 15-09-2020 09:06AM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

If government do anything too much here it will be the straw that breaks the camels back

People are fatigued , angry and skeptical at this stage and more restrictions will not be received well.

It will be a blood bath if they aren’t careful

It'll be fine, I think that user is banned

hetuzozaho · 15-09-2020 09:10AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Jennifer Zamparelli is apologising already....must have got a good finger wagging by the Gulags, has now changed her tune That's some about turn, gutless behavior. Have the discussion. Grow a pair.
Discussion cancelled, disgraceful.

Think its good. You'd have too many crazies on going all anti-mask, impressionable kids might be listening to the rubbish.

drunkmonkey · 15-09-2020 09:13AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Think its good. You'd have too many crazies on going all anti-mask, impressionable kids might be listening to the rubbish.

It's Communist behavior, only once voice allowed. It's RTE so I'm not surprised it was cancelled.

hetuzozaho · 15-09-2020 09:15AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's Communist behavior, only once voice allowed. It's RTE so I'm not surprised it was cancelled.

Yep RTE is probably not the place for that kind of stuff. Plenty of online channels

seamus · 15-09-2020 09:19AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Jennifer Zamparelli is apologising already....must have got a good finger wagging by the Gulags, has now changed her tune That's some about turn, gutless behavior. Have the discussion. Grow a pair.
Discussion cancelled, disgraceful.

By all means have the nutjobs on at 11pm for "Jenny's crazy hour" or Eurotrash or whatever.

For the last ten years the Irish media has increasingly being holding "serious" debates with a team of experts on one side, and on the other a really loud person with strong opinions and no qualifications. Look at the repeal debate. It was always medical experts on one side, and religious loons on the other.

It's a cynical grasp for ratings, and it's fun in small doses. But when it becomes the norm in public discourse, it's incredibly dangerous. Because it implies that the two sides of the debate are perfectly balanced and therefore that the "contrary" opinion is just as valid as the data and the expert opinion.

Boggles · 15-09-2020 09:19AM

12 admissions to hospitals in the last 24 hours. 68 currently in hospital.

Highest one day admission number since May 27th.

mr_edge_to_you · 15-09-2020 09:20AM

Venues and pubs remaining closed......so how is that going to help reduce the current trend?

Also, the Dublin rate has been the highest in the country for 2 weeks now with no additional measures to attempt to control it.

Like someone said above, they've already made a balls of the 5 level plan by placing Dublin on 2.472.

15-09-2020 09:20AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No, level 2 with some measures from level 3.

Its already muddying the waters of this plan. As someone else said its like a level 2.5

This is genuinely ridiculous. They come up with a 5 level plan and on day 1 they have a county that doesn't fit in to it? Day one?!

Even as a Dub its pretty clear that for the plan to have any legitimacy Dublin should be on a more strict level than the other counties at this current moment.

NegativeCreep · 15-09-2020 09:23AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0915/1165228-pandemic-warning/

RTE is onto the next one already it seems!

stephenjmcd · 15-09-2020 09:25AM

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Venues and pubs remaining closed......so how is that going to help reduce the current trend?

Also, the Dublin rate has been the highest in the country for 2 weeks now with no additional measures to attempt to control it.

Like someone said above, they've already made a balls of the 5 level plan by placing Dublin on 2.472.

Personally I think its basically to give people a wake up call. Behave for the next 2 or 3 weeks and we'll open your pubs.

Based on population and cases per 100k Dublin doesn't need to come down dramatically. Its doable if people buy into it

seamus · 15-09-2020 09:26AM

AdamD wrote: »

This is genuinely ridiculous. They come up with a 5 level plan and on day 1 they have a county that doesn't fit in to it? Day one?!

Even as a Dub its pretty clear that for the plan to have any legitimacy Dublin should be on a more strict level than the other counties at this current moment.

I'm having trouble believing the Indo's reporting is accurate here.

The entire point of a five-level warning system is to make it clear where you're at, what level of caution you should be at. If you need to "borrow" elements from a more severe level, you just move to that level. The US military never go to DEFCON 2.5. They just go to 2. If that's a little bit overkill, so be it. Better safe than sorry.

I really, really hope the indo is wrong here, surely someone in government or NPHET would point out that if you're planning on moving Dublin to phase 2.3 of a five-point plan, you've already made a balls of it.

Let's wait and see, I'm in denial here

hetuzozaho · 15-09-2020 09:28AM

seamus wrote: »

I'm having trouble believing the Indo's reporting is accurate here.

The entire point of a five-level warning system is to make it clear where you're at, what level of caution you should be at. If you need to "borrow" elements from a more severe level, you just move to that level.

I really, really hope the indo is wrong here, surely someone in government or NPHET would point out that if you're planning on moving Dublin to phase 2.3 of a five-point plan, you've already made a balls of it.

Let's wait and see, I'm in denial here

Yep I'm the same. I hope the leaks are wrong. And the fact they are still discussing this morning gives some hope that someone will say "nah that's stupid". Lump restaurants and pubs together. Close 'em all up if Dublin on level 3 on Monday or whatever level 3 asks for.

drunkmonkey · 15-09-2020 09:29AM

seamus wrote: »

By all means have the nutjobs on at 11pm for "Jenny's crazy hour" or Eurotrash or whatever.

For the last ten years the Irish media has increasingly being holding "serious" debates with a team of experts on one side, and on the other a really loud person with strong opinions and no qualifications. Look at the repeal debate. It was always medical experts on one side, and religious loons on the other.

It's a cynical grasp for ratings, and it's fun in small doses. But when it becomes the norm in public discourse, it's incredibly dangerous. Because it implies that the two sides of the debate are perfectly balanced and therefore that the "contrary" opinion is just as valid as the data and the expert opinion.

It's across all mass media, Pat Kenny and Lambert drooling about the need for 2000 mask enforcers to make sure people are wearing them correctly.
Nobody there to but in and say guys if you accept there not being used correctly you have to now acknowledge they are a source of secondary transmission.
There's no balance, it just ends up polarizing the discussion with people becoming more entrenched on both sides, it's not healthy.

hmmm · 15-09-2020 09:29AM

seamus wrote: »

For the last ten years the Irish media has increasingly being holding "serious" debates with a team of experts on one side, and on the other a really loud person with strong opinions and no qualifications. Look at the repeal debate. It was always medical experts on one side, and religious loons on the other.

Yeah. This attempt to have "balance" on everything has led us into a dangerous place in recent years. It gives the impression that there is a reasonable debate being had, when the reality there can be a thousand experts on one side of the argument, and only one crank on the other.

And also - strong opinions aren't facts.

DangerScouse · 15-09-2020 09:31AM

Boggles wrote: »

12 admissions to hospitals in the last 24 hours. 68 currently in hospital.

Highest one day admission number since May 27th.

Head in the sand brigade won't be liking that.

The reality is we are in a very bad spot with this virus and its only going to get worse.

CalamariFritti · 15-09-2020 09:31AM

seamus wrote: »

By all means have the nutjobs on at 11pm for "Jenny's crazy hour" or Eurotrash or whatever.

For the last ten years the Irish media has increasingly being holding "serious" debates with a team of experts on one side, and on the other a really loud person with strong opinions and no qualifications. Look at the repeal debate. It was always medical experts on one side, and religious loons on the other.

It's a cynical grasp for ratings, and it's fun in small doses. But when it becomes the norm in public discourse, it's incredibly dangerous. Because it implies that the two sides of the debate are perfectly balanced and therefore that the "contrary" opinion is just as valid as the data and the expert opinion.

I would see it the other way actually. By pairing experts up against vocal laypeople it paints a certain picture already before a single word was spoken. Pair up experts against experts.

But in the case of masks you might say there aren't any anti mask experts. But I seriously doubt that. There are in the minority but they do exist. After all an entire country goes with anti-mask and is doing much better than most of the high restriction countries.

Also don't forget with a subject as contentious as this, even if you were an expert and your opinion on masks wasn't on the mainstream side, it could actually be career suicide to put yourself on the spot. There simply isn't any rationality and sobriety in the whole discourse. Its all being painted as 'nut jobs' versus 'experts'. If you were a doctor you wouldnt want to land yourself on the side of the 'nutjobs' and have the twitter mob against you in the morning.

Polar101 · 15-09-2020 09:32AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0915/1165228-pandemic-warning/

RTE is onto the next one already it seems!

It's a story about an annual report recently published, which highlights problems in prepardness levels for the ongoing pandemic, and possible future ones.

Should RTE just ignore it, because it might upset and annoy people? Besides it's from Reuters.

I'm not a fan of RTE myself, but some of the criticism here is infantile. I'd very much prefer governments were better prepared in the future (such as they were in South Korea, for example).

Happydays2020 · 15-09-2020 09:32AM

For the integrity of the Plan, Dublin needs to be on level 3. Although I still think that the botched and panicked August Cabinet meeting has led to an increase in cases.

growleaves · 15-09-2020 09:33AM

But when it becomes the norm in public discourse, it's incredibly dangerous.

Public discourse is a joke seamus. There is official opinion, and then outwith official opinion everything else is dismissed as evil/insane/illegitimate by multiple organs and authorities.

Even respectable scientists with the "wrong" opinion are either dismissed as persons or are said to be outnumbered by other scientists ('consensus').

Your own position is that censorship shouldn't be necessary as long as everyone understands and accepts beforehand that there is one legitimate source of opinion which is right.

DangerScouse · 15-09-2020 09:35AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Personally I think its basically to give people a wake up call. Behave for the next 2 or 3 weeks and we'll open your pubs.

Based on population and cases per 100k Dublin doesn't need to come down dramatically. Its doable if people buy into it

Most right thinking people couldn't give a hoot about the pubs. What is it with Irish peoples obsession with drinking??

KaneToad · 15-09-2020 09:35AM

seamus wrote: »

By all means have the nutjobs on at 11pm for "Jenny's crazy hour" or Eurotrash or whatever.

For the last ten years the Irish media has increasingly being holding "serious" debates with a team of experts on one side, and on the other a really loud person with strong opinions and no qualifications. Look at the repeal debate. It was always medical experts on one side, and religious loons on the other.

It's a cynical grasp for ratings, and it's fun in small doses. But when it becomes the norm in public discourse, it's incredibly dangerous. Because it implies that the two sides of the debate are perfectly balanced and therefore that the "contrary" opinion is just as valid as the data and the expert opinion.

Very true. Although I wouldn't fully agree with your repeal example. There were some who were against repeal but weren't religious. They were rarely given a platform... the easy out for media was to default to Iona Institute for their opinion.

Zamparelli was correctly forced to change tack. Debating scientific fact with non qualified opinion should not be facilitated during a pandemic. There is an argument for facilitating it in an academic setting but not on a 'yoof' radio station. I don't think she'd be a qualified moderator in any event .

drunkmonkey · 15-09-2020 09:36AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I would see it the other way actually. By pairing experts up against vocal laypeople it paints a certain picture already before a single word was spoken. Pair up experts against experts.

I'd like to see Carl Heneghan and Luke O'Neill go head to head. It'll never happen with the way Irish media is controlling the narrative in everything.

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