Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Ah that old canard and you highlighting it just tells me that you don't understand the restrictions or more likely want to justify your own actions. But in case you didn't know - the €9 meal I believe is a threshold that bord failure uses to distinguish between a place that has a snack offering vs something that could be called a restaurant. Of course it does not offer protection from covid but it was used as a means to distinguish between pubs/restaurants and the risk of transmission. It was also a crude method to keep half of the most risky social spaces closed. Similarly taking part in sport including contact sport was deemed to carry less risk of disease spread that congregating and attending because groups of players can be controlled much easier than a croud can be marshalled.

If you get the virus will you seek medical attention? Will those that attend your gatherings do so too? Will they all pay the €200 a go that the state is paying for their tests?

I agree you shouldn't be guilted into stopping. You should be prosecuted.

Yeah this is exactly the kind of pontificating and high horse judgemental attitude that has caused the loss of public support for the current restrictions.
It’s also quite patronising that you assume I don’t understand, when it’s clear to see for everyone that there are massive nonsensical contradictions in the guidelines. You can justify it all you want but that’s exactly what they are. Massive contradictions that have no scientific or logical reasoning.
And I’m not just talking about the aforementioned ones either, there are many others.

If you really feel that someone should be prosecuted by the law for having 6 friends over for wine and a cheeseboard I suggest you’d be more comfortable living somewhere like North Korea.

But you’re absolutely right, I don’t have to justify or explain myself to you.
I don’t feel guilty and I won’t let you guilt trip me either. I’m actually wholly unbothered by how outraged you are that I’ve been meeting with a few friends at my house, their houses, and in public places. I have lost a lot to this pandemic and I know I’m not being reckless or selfish even if you think I am.
This kind of hyperbolic reaction to normal socialisation is something I sincerely hope we leave in 2020.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

So you will seek medical attention then if you catch it and you don't care if your soirees spread it. Fantastic. You'll pay for your own covid tests and too yeah?

Just because you don't understand the reasoning doesn't mean that there is no reasoning.

I have lost a lot too to the pandemic, you are not unique or a special case.

No, I'm not after a police state but we've been given simple instructions to follow, which if they'd been adhered to we could've beaten the disease like they have in NZ. But no, the actions of the selfish are going to ensure that the restrictions are going to be around for a long time. All the while we will have those same selfish people cribbing and moaning about them about how they are unnecessary and that they are affecting their "mental health".

If you can’t even have the courtesy to reply to what I actually said rather than put words in my mouth, I won’t bother replying to you.
I mentioned nothing of medical attention or Covid tests in my posts.
You might be interested to hear that my ongoing treatment for precervical cancer, a condition I’ve had since the age of 25, was suspended for just over 5 months due to the pandemic, and I couldn’t access medical attention of that nature during that time.
That’s the kind of medical attention I’m worried about. Coronavirus isn’t the only cause of illness or death, other diseases have gone nowhere and will probably have higher fatality rates in the coming years due to missed screenings and consultations during lockdown.

New Zealand have by no means beaten or eradicated the virus, in fact they’re a clear example of why draconian measures and lockdowns don’t work because they had another outbreak even after getting their cases down to zero.
It proves that until we have a vaccine or cure, all we can do is learn to live with this virus.
And believe it or not, living with the virus does involve a person meeting up with their family and friends and not hiding under their beds indefinitely.
There has to be a balance of the best interests of everyone.

You’re getting nowhere with your guilt trip, because I will never agree that having a few friends over for casual drinks after being locked in my house for nearly 4 months makes me a granny killer, or that it makes me selfish and reckless, or whatever it is you’re trying to imply.
I have done by bit and will continue to do my bit.
But that doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy the company of my family and friends or that I’ll avoid all socialisation and normal human interactions just to keep permanently outraged people like you subdued.

https://www.facebook.com/525873187601673/posts/1490174271171555/

Anyone have a summary of them ?

hynesie08 wrote: »

do you put gardai on the border making sure people from dun laoighre don't pop over to Bray for a pint? It's unworkable.

There could be a large exodus to places like bray, maynooth, celbridge, leixlip, Ashbourne etc, would be hard to police alright

MattS1 wrote: »

Does this mean they are definitely opening all pubs on the 21st? Or yet to be decided.

Yes

NPHET will probably have Checkpoint Charlie set up on the borders. Armed Garda ready to shoot anybody leaving the Junta Controlled State of Dublin for a simple pint.

I'm going to get a dingy and sail out to sea. Hopefully the currents take me to Wicklow or to Meath or Louth. We could even scuba dive the liffey and escape beneath the water into Kildare.

I suspect they might close pubs in DUblin, Kildare, Wicklow and Meath just to be sure

What's happening with boards? Noticed that a few of my light hearted posts were recently getting removed. It's getting so censored.

6 days to go.........

https://twitter.com/rosney/status/1303327888318623744

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No, I noticed you refused to answer the question I posed. So would you present for medical attention if you display covid symptoms? Will you pay for your own tests? Will you pay for the tests of your contacts at the gatherings you organise? Will you accept the consequences if there is transmission at the gatherings you organise?

Or is it a case of "I've had my fun and that's all that matters?"

It's funny though, I agree with you - we will see increased mortality in the next few years for to missed tests and treatments due to other diseases because of the covid restrictions. But one sure way of ensuring that this situation continues is to ignore the regulations that have been put in place to protect society. You want cancer screening to start again? You reduce your social contacts in line with the regulations. What you don't do is say "f*ck this, I'm doing whatever I want".

And you are not being asked to avoid all socialisation. People are simply being asked to reduce their contacts and not to have gatherings in the home above a certain size with a limited number of other households. It is perfectly possible to have reasonable social contact within the confines of the restrictions.

While you may not agree that ignoring the regulations is selfish, the very definition of selfishness is putting ones own well being ahead of the needs of others. And it's not about satisfying the permanently outraged either. It's about respect and decency towards others particularly the most vulnerable.

I’m not even entertaining your first paragraph because you’re actually hysterical.
You would swear I said I was hosting COVID parties and going around licking door handles with that kind of dramatic response.

It’s not against the rules to meet up with friends & family in bars and restaurants.
It’s not against the rules to invite them to your home.
Me inviting 6/7 of my friends, who are all working from home or else unemployed due to losing their jobs, over for wine and cheese is not where you should be directing your frustrations at.
You are making all these nasty unfounded accusations about me when you don’t have the foggiest idea how many close contacts I have, or what other measures I’m taking to be responsible.

Instead you’re going apoplectic, saying I should be prosecuted for hosting a bloody wine and cheese night and you’re practically chomping at the bit for the opportunity to tell me I shouldn’t be entitled to medical care should I become ill.
Will I pay for the COVID testing of all my friends, family and close contacts because I had the cheek to invite them over to my house for a drink and a chat?
Get over yourself, seriously. It’s actually pathetic, hysterical nonsense.
I already told you several times I don’t feel bad and I won’t feel bad, so you’re wasting your time with the emotional blackmail.
I’ve given up a lot. I’ll probably have to give up more, and that’s ok cause everyone’s in the same boat on that front.

But I’m not willing to forego spending quality time with my family and friends any longer, if you want to be a martyr knock yourself out but I won’t be putting myself through that when it’s not necessary.
You’re going to be purple with rage if you think come Christmas that people are going to severely limit or avoid seeing their loved ones after the sh*tshow of a year we just had.
Probably best to start preparing yourself for that eventuality now.

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m not even entertaining your first paragraph because you’re actually hysterical.
You would swear I said I was hosting COVID parties and going around licking door handles with that kind of dramatic response.

It’s not against the rules to meet up with friends & family in bars and restaurants.
It’s not against the rules to invite them to your home.
Me inviting 6/7 of my friends, who are all working from home or else unemployed due to losing their jobs, over for wine and cheese is not where you should be directing your frustrations at.
You are making all these nasty unfounded accusations about me when you don’t have the foggiest idea how many close contacts I have, or what other measures I’m taking to be responsible.

Instead you’re going apoplectic, saying I should be prosecuted for hosting a bloody wine and cheese night and you’re practically chomping at the bit for the opportunity to tell me I shouldn’t be entitled to medical care should I become ill.
Will I pay for the COVID testing of all my friends, family and close contacts because I had the cheek to invite them over to my house for a drink and a chat?
Get over yourself, seriously. It’s actually pathetic, hysterical nonsense.
I already told you several times I don’t feel bad and I won’t feel bad, so you’re wasting your time with the emotional blackmail.
I’ve given up a lot. I’ll probably have to give up more, and that’s ok cause everyone’s in the same boat on that front.

But I’m not willing to forego spending quality time with my family and friends any longer, if you want to be a martyr knock yourself out but I won’t be putting myself through that when it’s not necessary.
You’re going to be purple with rage if you think come Christmas that people are going to severely limit or avoid seeing their loved ones after the sh*tshow of a year we just had.
Probably best to start preparing yourself for that eventuality now.

I don't know why this door handles thing comes up.

If you've 7 people in your house and 1 person has it there's a big chance 7 will have it after a night of wine and cheese. No door handle licking needed.

That's why they want 6 from 3 households and talk of 2 households in Dublin now to stop spread.