Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

AUDI20 · 14-09-2020 02:54PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Just like it's that easy to do....

Where I live there is one main health centre and they are only allowing phone consultations only.
For many people they don't want to have consultations over the phone and are probably just not going to bother seeing to problems or ailments that might not seem too bad now but could lead onto something more serious if left unchecked.
This and the massive waiting lists now for scans ect are going to put many lives in danger.

Not everyone on this thread is only concerned about being able to get out for a drink or having a few friends round for a gavering.
There is going to be questions asked in the future about the many lives and people's health that will suffer due to delayed treatments and it's nothing to be just shrugged off...

Are you trying to tell me that everything re scans, treatments etc were very hunky dory before Covid-19 arrived. From my memory they were still long delays before march and if you did get admitted to hospital you'd be very lucky to get a bed.

firemansam4 · 14-09-2020 03:00PM

AUDI20 wrote:

Are you trying to tell me that everything re scans, treatments etc were very hunky dory before Covid-19 arrived. From my memory they were still long delays before march and if you did get admitted to hospital you'd be very lucky to get a bed.

Well maybe you get the award for the most stupid post of the day!!

Of course everything wasn't hunky dory before this but things are surely going to be a lot worse now.

firemansam4 · 14-09-2020 03:03PM

FintanMcluskey wrote:

However, the debate about GPs started when someone remarked in their local practice they could only avail of a consultation with a GP not a visit, and the usual suspects retorted with nonsense about that not being the case whatsoever.

Well I can confirm that is the case where I live. And it's very frustrating.

So who ever the poster is saying that it's not the case are talking out of there hole.

Strumms · 14-09-2020 03:10PM

My Dad is currently in hospital for an operation after a condition that he was due to have an operation on which was postponed at the start of covid suddenly flared up...

Towards the end of last week he began feeling unwell, rang the consultant, luckily enough when he was speaking to his consultant that consultant was in a private hospital, he pulled a few strings, 20 minutes later calls back.. “ok, hop in a taxi, we’ve a bed for you in here now...”

If it wasn’t for this consultant being of the want and ability to pull some strings, my Dad would probably even with health insurance, have been left in a crowded a&e with the usual cohort of brass monkeys, drunkards and ne'er-do-wells coming up to him wanting this and that... not exactly ideal in covid time, any time.

So to keep hospital beds, doctors, staff and services free, for people with preexisting conditions and people who are having heart attacks, strokes, cancer diagnosis, accidents.... please the fûck keep up your self discipline, distancing etc... it’s not over by a long shot.

MommySquish · 14-09-2020 03:13PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Well I can confirm that is the case where I live. And it's very frustrating.

So who ever the poster is saying that it's not the case are talking out of there hole.

I can confirm at my own GP she refused to see my 2.5 week old baby last week that was peeing blood. Phone consult only and told ‘wait and see’ oh and ‘make sure you sign up for the under 8 gp card so I can charge these calls’.

Uh..... you can piss off if that’s what you’re worried about. I’m changing doctors as the week before I was concerned about something else and called and got fobbed off too. They are not to charge until the baby is 6 weeks old. Had it up to my eyeballs with the lack of empathy from that doc.

FintanMcluskey · 14-09-2020 03:36PM

Strumms wrote: »

My Dad is currently in hospital for an operation after a condition that he was due to have an operation on which was postponed at the start of covid suddenly flared up...

Towards the end of last week he began feeling unwell, rang the consultant, luckily enough when he was speaking to his consultant that consultant was in a private hospital, he pulled a few strings, 20 minutes later calls back.. “ok, hop in a taxi, we’ve a bed for you in here now...”

If it wasn’t for this consultant being of the want and ability to pull some strings, my Dad would probably even with health insurance, have been left in a crowded a&e with the usual cohort of brass monkeys, drunkards and ne'er-do-wells coming up to him wanting this and that... not exactly ideal in covid time, any time.

So to keep hospital beds, doctors, staff and services free, for people with preexisting conditions and people who are having heart attacks, strokes, cancer diagnosis, accidents.... please the fûck keep up your self discipline, distancing etc... it’s not over by a long shot.

I wish your father well.

You are, and your not the only poster here however completely missing the points being made.

Also, don't question my self discipline

penovine · 14-09-2020 03:42PM

i was in the post office today - was wearing a mask - the lady in front of me turned around and said that we don't need to wear masks in the PO or banks... she was not wearing one.. I just said that I was more comfortable wearing one wherever there are people... gee... the mind boggles.. people will always find something to give out about..

in any event - silly rule - as if banks and post offices are immune to the virus lol

Bawnmore · 14-09-2020 03:47PM

We were down around South Limerick/North Cork all last week and I was fairly shocked at the amount of people not wearing masks in shops/petrol stations etc.. I'd say in smaller places, wearing a mask was more an exception than a rule.

14-09-2020 03:56PM

penovine wrote: »

i was in the post office today - was wearing a mask - the lady in front of me turned around and said that we don't need to wear masks in the PO or banks... she was not wearing one.. I just said that I was more comfortable wearing one wherever there are people... gee... the mind boggles.. people will always find something to give out about..

in any event - silly rule - as if banks and post offices are immune to the virus lol

Is there a security concern here? Having folks remove masks on entry to a bank or when confirming ID could be desirable for security

hatrickpatrick · 14-09-2020 04:13PM

For those who accused me of being hyperbolic when I talked about how the media and those in charge were fuelling mental health crises (and worse, nihilistic non-compliance) among young people by ascribing a permanence or quasi-permanence to this sh!tty "new normal", today's Irish Times:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/packed-pubs-must-be-a-thing-of-the-past-intensive-care-expert-says-1.4354353

Packed pubs must be a thing of the past, intensive care expert says

The consultant, who is based at University Hospital Limerick where she has not seen a Covid-19 case in the intensive care unit for some time, called on people to gather in a controlled manner, it was uncontrolled indoor gatherings that were the problem, she said.

While we needed to get back to some sort of normal life, it was not going to be the same as before, there could not be a return to packed pubs, she said.

The wording of this article implies that restrictions on indoor gatherings are permanent, that socialising in a large group is literally something which we will never, ever, ever be allowed to do again. There has been an onslaught of this kind of language over the last few months and to young, extroverted people who live for vibrant social settings, this more or less signifies the end of happiness itself.

The knock on effect of this goes in one of two ways - crippling slides into depression as people contemplate enforced loneliness being a feature of the rest of their entire lives, or nihilistic non-compliance in which people start going to illegal raves, house parties, etc etc etc on the grounds that "f*ck it, there's no way I'm living like this forever, what kind of life is this".

The media and those coming out with these doomsday scenarios have to accept responsibility for that. You cannot tell people that socialising in groups is something they will never experience again and expect the significant proportion of the population for which socialising in groups is the raison d'etre not to psychologically implode as a result.

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 04:27PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

For those who accused me of being hyperbolic when I talked about how the media and those in charge were fuelling mental health crises (and worse, nihilistic non-compliance) among young people by ascribing a permanence or quasi-permanence to this sh!tty "new normal", today's Irish Times:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/packed-pubs-must-be-a-thing-of-the-past-intensive-care-expert-says-1.4354353

Packed pubs must be a thing of the past, intensive care expert says

The consultant, who is based at University Hospital Limerick where she has not seen a Covid-19 case in the intensive care unit for some time, called on people to gather in a controlled manner, it was uncontrolled indoor gatherings that were the problem, she said.

While we needed to get back to some sort of normal life, it was not going to be the same as before, there could not be a return to packed pubs, she said.

The wording of this article implies that restrictions on indoor gatherings are permanent, that socialising in a large group is literally something which we will never, ever, ever be allowed to do again. There has been an onslaught of this kind of language over the last few months and to young, extroverted people who live for vibrant social settings, this more or less signifies the end of happiness itself.

The knock on effect of this goes in one of two ways - crippling slides into depression as people contemplate enforced loneliness being a feature of the rest of their entire lives, or nihilistic non-compliance in which people start going to illegal raves, house parties, etc etc etc on the grounds that "f*ck it, there's no way I'm living like this forever, what kind of life is this".

The media and those coming out with these doomsday scenarios have to accept responsibility for that. You cannot tell people that socialising in groups is something they will never experience again and expect the significant proportion of the population for which socialising in groups is the raison d'etre not to psychologically implode as a result.

For any article to suggest its permanent is simply wrong.

Limits will eventually be gone, be it with a vaccine or whatever else comes first.

Large gatherings in stadiums, concerts etc will all be back.

For the moment no we can't have packed pubs and everyone knows it, busy pubs & nightclubs will all return eventually

Gael23 · 14-09-2020 04:42PM

Read that article and she stepped way out of line with what she said

14-09-2020 04:45PM

this is the issue. She'll be no doubt introduced onto a panel show owing to these remarks, then hey presto, she yet another Medical celebrity!!! take a chair beside messrs O neil, Ryan and Conkey!

14-09-2020 04:49PM

rusty cole wrote: »

this is the issue. She'll be no doubt introduced onto a panel show owing to these remarks, then hey presto, she yet another Medical celebrity!!! take a chair beside messrs O neil, Ryan and Conkey!

Exactly, they’re all enjoying the attention.

Sure Glynn was on the late late show!

walus · 14-09-2020 05:01PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Ultimately, all new cases we have basically come from travel since the summer.

How do you know that? Can you please point me to the source of this statement/fact? Any solid evidence?

AUDI20 · 14-09-2020 05:16PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Well I can confirm that is the case where I live. And it's very frustrating.

So who ever the poster is saying that it's not the case are talking out of there hole.

You need to read the posts with a little bit of a brain. Both you and Fintan has called it nonsense but what I said and other posters stated its not the situation everywhere. I don't dismiss or not believe your post re your GP but that its not the case everywhere and that is fact. .

MadYaker · 14-09-2020 05:49PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

For those who accused me of being hyperbolic when I talked about how the media and those in charge were fuelling mental health crises (and worse, nihilistic non-compliance) among young people by ascribing a permanence or quasi-permanence to this sh!tty "new normal", today's Irish Times:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/packed-pubs-must-be-a-thing-of-the-past-intensive-care-expert-says-1.4354353

Packed pubs must be a thing of the past, intensive care expert says

The consultant, who is based at University Hospital Limerick where she has not seen a Covid-19 case in the intensive care unit for some time, called on people to gather in a controlled manner, it was uncontrolled indoor gatherings that were the problem, she said.

While we needed to get back to some sort of normal life, it was not going to be the same as before, there could not be a return to packed pubs, she said.

The wording of this article implies that restrictions on indoor gatherings are permanent, that socialising in a large group is literally something which we will never, ever, ever be allowed to do again. There has been an onslaught of this kind of language over the last few months and to young, extroverted people who live for vibrant social settings, this more or less signifies the end of happiness itself.

The knock on effect of this goes in one of two ways - crippling slides into depression as people contemplate enforced loneliness being a feature of the rest of their entire lives, or nihilistic non-compliance in which people start going to illegal raves, house parties, etc etc etc on the grounds that "f*ck it, there's no way I'm living like this forever, what kind of life is this".

The media and those coming out with these doomsday scenarios have to accept responsibility for that. You cannot tell people that socialising in groups is something they will never experience again and expect the significant proportion of the population for which socialising in groups is the raison d'etre not to psychologically implode as a result.

Are you serious? Nobody thinks this is going to last forever and if they read as much in an article and think it's true then they lack understanding of the situation. People have to use use their brains to asses the information that comes to them as reasonable or not. Unfortunately one thing I've learned from this pandemic is that a lot of people are just plain dumb so when complicated situations like this happen they lose their minds.

Anyone who "psychologically implodes" because they read that article had serious issues to start with. Everybody understands that the current situation is temporary.

drunkmonkey · 14-09-2020 05:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly, they’re all enjoying the attention.

Sure Glynn was on the late late show!

He's married to someone from RTE...

Silentcorner · 14-09-2020 06:07PM

It's worth remembering that the Government is probably the biggest advertising spender over the last 6 months, that means, they are keeping a lot of media companies afloat...those companies are hardly going to rock the boat, we all remember how the media game behaved during the property bubble.

Doctors are actually advising people, especially the elderly to stop watching or reading the news, the amount of anxiety and negativity being pumped into our elderly is something I will never forget, according to our doctor, the effect of all this fear on old people has been devastating.

MadYaker · 14-09-2020 06:16PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

It's worth remembering that the Government is probably the biggest advertising spender over the last 6 months, that means, they are keeping a lot of media companies afloat...those companies are hardly going to rock the boat, we all remember how the media game behaved during the property bubble.

Doctors are actually advising people, especially the elderly to stop watching or reading the news, the amount of anxiety and negativity being pumped into our elderly is something I will never forget, according to our doctor, the effect of all this fear on old people has been devastating.

The doctors are right to tell people that imo. The problem isn't necessarily fear mongering by the media, while there is definitely some of that a lot of people think any reporting of coronavirus cases or deaths at all is fear mongering. A lot of people just flat out don't understand the situation and that leads to fear. But to be honest a certain amount fear is a natural reaction in situations like this. People need to hear the truth and the facts it shouldn't be kept from them just to protect their fragile brains.

Government keeping media companies afloat is obviously nonsense. Our taxes keep RTE afloat. Other media sell advertising space like the always have but the government aren't the ones buying it.

lucernarian · 14-09-2020 06:40PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I agree with your post with the exception of friends and drink, that not the most urgent issue discussed here.

For me its the issue that the response and closure of private hospitals, cancellation of cancer treatment has in effect played God with who lives and dies.

However, the debate about GPs started when someone remarked in their local practice they could only avail of a consultation with a GP not a visit, and the usual suspects retorted with nonsense about that not being the case whatsoever.

On one hand, I've got a condition that I haven't been able to see my consultant for, since 2019 (had a phone appointment in the spring, but that's it). None of the routine and required blood tests carried out either. On the other hand, I understand the need to stop the outpatient department and not sure I'd want to go unless everyone was masked etc.

While spread is lower, there should be some capitalising of the situation to get deferred procedures and appointments back on track. It annoys me to see so much cribbing about pubs and missing the point about the substantial meal etc. And there's thousands in a much worse situation than I'm in.

Jim Root · 14-09-2020 06:43PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's married to someone from RTE...

And? What’s your point?

MadYaker · 14-09-2020 06:51PM

Jim Root wrote: »

And? What’s your point?

It's all big conspiracy donchta know! Tony Holahan was on as well, isn't he married to Tubridy?

14-09-2020 07:20PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's married to someone from RTE...

Hang him!

walus · 14-09-2020 07:25PM

penovine wrote: »

in any event - silly rule - as if banks and post offices are immune to the virus lol

They can’t be. One professor of medicine was saying in primetime that the economy is suffering because of Covid. This mutation must be particularly smart and adaptable. Something that cannot be said about that professor. Lol.

Keep your eyes open for those cognitive shortcuts that people of authority are making. It is not the government who crippled the economy, it is not their fault that more and more people become unemployed. All this bad stuff is due to COVID guys, so that it is easier for us to accept as tough luck.

Lundstram · 14-09-2020 07:27PM

Strumms wrote: »

My Dad is currently in hospital for an operation after a condition that he was due to have an operation on which was postponed at the start of covid suddenly flared up...

Towards the end of last week he began feeling unwell, rang the consultant, luckily enough when he was speaking to his consultant that consultant was in a private hospital, he pulled a few strings, 20 minutes later calls back.. “ok, hop in a taxi, we’ve a bed for you in here now...”

If it wasn’t for this consultant being of the want and ability to pull some strings, my Dad would probably even with health insurance, have been left in a crowded a&e with the usual cohort of brass monkeys, drunkards and ne'er-do-wells coming up to him wanting this and that... not exactly ideal in covid time, any time.

So to keep hospital beds, doctors, staff and services free, for people with preexisting conditions and people who are having heart attacks, strokes, cancer diagnosis, accidents.... please the fûck keep up your self discipline, distancing etc... it’s not over by a long shot.

No.

FintanMcluskey · 14-09-2020 08:10PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The doctors are right to tell people that imo. The problem isn't necessarily fear mongering by the media, while there is definitely some of that a lot of people think any reporting of coronavirus cases or deaths at all is fear mongering. A lot of people just flat out don't understand the situation and that leads to fear. But to be honest a certain amount fear is a natural reaction in situations like this. People need to hear the truth and the facts it shouldn't be kept from them just to protect their fragile brains.

:pac: irony loaded post here.

The only fragile brains are the one who don't understand that people will die.

Or the fact some of ye are horrified at the Swedes living a normal life, having sacrificed a few weeks of life for someone already dying.

PS - incoming bull**** about the Swedes actually having restriction's

PowerToWait · 14-09-2020 08:19PM

Lundstram wrote: »

No.

Junior B comes first.

Strumms · 14-09-2020 08:22PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I wish your father well.

You are, and your not the only poster here however completely missing the points being made.

Also, don't question my self discipline

Thanks.

Not missing any point.. im listening to everything and everybody with an open mind and great empathy in fact... but i reserve the right to disagree.

Ill question whatever and whomever i like. It was a democracy last i looked.

lucernarian · 14-09-2020 08:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

:pac: irony loaded post here.

The only fragile brains are the one who don't understand that people will die.

Or the fact some of ye are horrified at the Swedes living a normal life, having sacrificed a few weeks of life for someone already dying.

PS - incoming bull**** about the Swedes actually having restriction's

Hmmmm I might take the bait. Interesting and balanced article here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251615-is-swedens-coronavirus-strategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/

Sweden saw a similar drop in household spending to Scandinavian peers over the course of 2020. Not sure there are GDP comparisons available yet for most recent quarter with its neighbours. They, like Ireland, have a similar legal framework in place interestingly (laws disallowing groups of 50 or more to assemble). It seems people mostly adopted the same advice that has been pushed throughout Europe, and so might be a myth that they didn't do all that much differently. Excepting schools, and basically ignoring the test and trace methodology.

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