Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

What Username Guidelines · 14-09-2020 12:27PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

They should be a little stronger on the messaging.

"For the next two weeks we are urging that there should be no households mixing. `In order to safeguard public health, civil penalties will be applied for x, y, z"

Controls work generally for the 95% on hearts and minds, for the other 5% you need the threat of penalties.

10 households, zero households, whatever is needed to stem the spread. I just think when you mix people and households in the messages it becomes complicated.

arrianalexander wrote: »

Flu season hasn't started yet

That said one would imagine the numbers will be lower this year

There is a huge push for the flu vaccine.they haven't started yet because they don't want to vaccinated too early.

And with less gatherings of people it won't spread as easily.

Hopefully with those two factors it will bring down hospitalizations and more importantly deaths

Flu is way down in Australia and Asia due to distancing and handwashing, etc. We usually 'import' flu so hopefully with less to import, there'll be less to spread and the same will happen here with that and more distancing and handwashing.

TonyMaloney · 14-09-2020 12:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Would agree with this, face masks and distancing with no large crowds should greatly reduce flu spread

Hopefully.

Although schools are usually the hotbed for the flu, and they're not so different from a typical year.

Boggles · 14-09-2020 12:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

You'll get a lot more than 5% of households up in arms about the threat of penalties. Get Harris out there to nag people into compliance! The only ones people might listen to at present is Glynn and maybe Nolan, Martin and Donnelly are just being ignored.

Ahhh, Glynn and Nolan are being ignored by the government.

I imagine the press conference tonight will hear the phrase "we only advise" a lot more.

14-09-2020 12:28PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think there was over 4000 in hospital last year with the flu, were no where near that number yet and probably won't be.

139 people admitted to ICU in 19/20 with Flu, 450 in 6 months with Covid

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 12:29PM

JRant wrote: »

Plus there's no wide scale testing of flu either. I'd imagine if it was tested to the same extent as COVID we would likely see higher numbers.

It doesn't require the same level of testing as there are vaccines which will go some way towards mitigating the numbers. The high risk areas are known and that's where you'd expect the bulk of testing to be. Like COVID though it's about managing the number of serious cases.

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 12:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

139 people admitted to ICU in 19/20 with Flu, 450 in 6 months with Covid

We don’t test even remotely enough for the flu to even consider comparing.

DebDynamite · 14-09-2020 12:30PM

JRant wrote: »

Plus there's no wide scale testing of flu either. I'd imagine if it was tested to the same extent as COVID we would likely see higher numbers.

Until Covid, I actually never knew testing for flu was even a thing

I thought it was just something a doctor diagnosed, or the patients themselves decided it was flu (when in fact probably just a bad cold!)

techdiver · 14-09-2020 12:32PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

That's not selfish at all. It is really good for families to have more time together. One of the things I heard from the young children in our extended families was that they loved the lockdown because they had Mammy and Daddy at home.

As for the febrile exchange of ideas in offices, feck that! I have all the ideas I need in my head and a quick phone call or whatsapp face time, or a speed chat when we briefly meet on a quick visit sorts out any sharing thats needed. The amount of time that gets wasted at work yammering on and bloody on about nothing. It is horribly distracting if you have stuff that needs concentration. And for a rest if at home one can go lie out under a tree! Woohoo!

100% agree. Especially the part in Bold. Managers love their meetings and whiteboard sessions etc, but in reality it's a load of bull and a waste of time. We've had no loss in productivity and output since this started and it has proved the folly of the above also.

I do miss the social aspect of the office but not so much as to the detriment of my family life. Long commutes are an absolute scourge of modern life and those of us who were forced to do it are seeing the other side now and it will be difficult to go back. Companies can also win here by reducing the need to physical office space when it is not required.

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 12:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Ahhh, Glynn and Nolan are being ignored by the government.

I imagine the press conference tonight will hear the phrase "we only advise" a lot more.

I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to the public who are not listening to Martin and Donnelly.

Busi_Girl08 · 14-09-2020 12:37PM

Is it just Dublin they're talking about putting at a higher level (level 3 I'm hearing) than the rest of the country? Any word on Limerick or are things stabilising there? My parents are meant to be going to the Hodson Bay next week and mum is panicking!

Boggles · 14-09-2020 12:41PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to the public who are not listening to Martin and Donnelly.

That's my point.

If Martin and Leo are not paying attention to NPHET.

Then why should the public pay attention to either?

Oranage2 · 14-09-2020 12:41PM

Stopping house parties is like wiping up the splashes from a leeky tap. We can either try fix the leek (zero covid) or use a bucket (manage the virus) right now we're doing neither. We're going to 'live with the virus' until it's too widespread then we'll enforce strict messures once again.

lethalJB · 14-09-2020 12:45PM

Unfortunately it seems going by the dashboard numbers a person has died in ICU

TonyMaloney · 14-09-2020 12:45PM

Scotland have announced just 70 new cases today due to a UK wide testing omnishambles. It seems they've an enormous backlog.

I assume the same will occur with NI later today, which is bad news for us.

DangerScouse · 14-09-2020 12:46PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Stopping house parties is like wiping up the splashes from a leeky tap. We can either try fix the leek (zero covid) or use a bucket (manage the virus) right now we're doing neither. We're going to 'live with the virus' until it's too widespread then we'll enforce strict messures once again.

The government's handling and messaging on the crisis is so weak it's untrue. This mickey mouse approach is of no use to anyone. Either do one thing or the other ffs.

14-09-2020 12:46PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Hopefully.

Although schools are usually the hotbed for the flu, and they're not so different from a typical year.

But the environment feeding into schools is substantially different. Schools can be a hotbed, but viruses in schools emerge from the community

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 12:47PM

lethalJB wrote: »

Unfortunately it seems going by the dashboard numbers a person has died in ICU

What makes you say that ?

lethalJB · 14-09-2020 12:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What makes you say that ?

Well confirmed cases in ICU were 10, we had two admissions in last 24hours but current icu number is 11 with no discharges updated

14-09-2020 12:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We don’t test even remotely enough for the flu to even consider comparing.

If you are admitted to hospital with a respiratory illness, even before covid, you are very likely to be swabbed for viral testing

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 12:52PM

lethalJB wrote: »

Well confirmed cases in ICU were 10, we had two admissions in last 24hours but current icu number is 11 with no discharges updated

It's possible to be moved back to a ward,still counted in overall numbers & ICU gets reported at different times to general beds. HSE report tonight will list if unfortunately there has been a death in ICU

Funsterdelux · 14-09-2020 12:54PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Scotland have announced just 70 new cases today due to a UK wide testing omnishambles. It seems they've an enormous backlog.

I assume the same will occur with NI later today, which is bad news for us.

When I google omnishambles this is the 3rd image result :

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Fairly good Irish definition

hmmm · 14-09-2020 12:54PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Publicans/entrepeneurs should be scouring the countryside for old unused unsided haybarns.

You're absolutely right, and I really don't understand how there has been feck-all conversation in this country about the need for ventilation. We're heading into Winter, and we need to figure out how to have as many of our interactions outdoors as possible, despite the climate. In many ways we are fortunate because we don't have the extreme cold other countries have for months on end, so it shouldn't be too hard for us to come up with ideas.

JRant · 14-09-2020 01:03PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It doesn't require the same level of testing as there are vaccines which will go some way towards mitigating the numbers. The high risk areas are known and that's where you'd expect the bulk of testing to be. Like COVID though it's about managing the number of serious cases.

The vaccine uptake by healthcare workers is shockingly low for the flu as well. In a bad flu season you will often see restrictions on who can attend hospital to visit, same for nursing homes. Even with a vaccine available I've seen first hand the carnage it can do in a nursing home environment.

Hope the hand/cough hygiene and distancing measures can keep the numbers down from this upcoming flu season.

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 01:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you are admitted to hospital with a respiratory illness, even before covid, you are very likely to be swabbed for viral testing

That’s irrelevant. We have almost a million tests done for coronavirus. Someone posted before that the flu tests are like 20k? How can you possibly compare the figures when testing is so low?

JRant · 14-09-2020 01:07PM

hmmm wrote: »

You're absolutely right, and I really don't understand how there has been feck-all conversation in this country about the need for ventilation. We're heading into Winter, and we need to figure out how to have as many of our interactions outdoors as possible, despite the climate. In many ways we are fortunate because we don't have the extreme cold other countries have for months on end, so it shouldn't be too hard for us to come up with ideas.

But larger crowds are allowed indoors right now than outdoors. I also thought being outdoors was a good thing but NPHET and the government seem to think otherwise.

the corpo · 14-09-2020 01:08PM

Dublin South East incidence rate now 101.9, eep

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1305476353559613442?s=20

JRant · 14-09-2020 01:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That’s irrelevant. We have almost a million tests done for coronavirus. Someone posted before that the flu tests are like 20k? How can you possibly compare the figures when testing is so low?

Add in the fact that the vast majority of people who die from flu wouldn't even make it to hospital for a test.

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 01:10PM

Boggles wrote: »

That's my point.

If Martin and Leo are not paying attention to NPHET.

Then why should the public pay attention to either?

On reminder messages of basic public health on hygiene ,distancing etc. continuing compliance makes it look that way. On changing advice it's going to be filtered through government and will no longer be presented as NPHET guidance.

is_that_so · 14-09-2020 01:13PM

JRant wrote: »

The vaccine uptake by healthcare workers is shockingly low for the flu as well. In a bad flu season you will often see restrictions on who can attend hospital to visit, same for nursing homes. Even with a vaccine available I've seen first hand the carnage it can do in a nursing home environment.

Hope the hand/cough hygiene and distancing measures can keep the numbers down from this upcoming flu season.

Reid has mentioned this a couple of times. Saw figures from a few years back where it was only 30%.

Gadgetman496 · 14-09-2020 01:14PM

According to RTE, No wet pubs for Dublin on the 21st

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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