Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 11:22PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

IWe've all been informed of the dangers of improper mask usage.

If 10% are using them as intended I'd be very surprised.

Anyways, MM is scaring me here thinking a low positivity result is a good thing.
If you went on an easter egg hunt and were finding no eggs would you be happy.

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 11:24PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How is the virus that causes COVID-19 most commonly transmitted between people?

Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions.
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted

DM..that post is from July.
It is now believed that transmission while possible from contaminated surfaces is less likely than through airborne droplet or aerosols.

I agree that mask etiquette is poor and people need to heed the current advice from HSE , which is EVERYWHERE at this stage as regards, how to put on , take off and wash or dispose of masks safely , now .

Yes I do know about using masks because it was one of the first things I learned when training and have been using them safely , I think , for about 40 years .

HSE need to keep emphasising the importance of masks , and how they should be used safely ,
to make up for the mixed messages early on in this pandemic .
Unfortunately it doesn't help when you have a group of people who somehow think they can avoid an airborne virus , by not wearing a mask , and shout loudly about it at every opportunity.

Finally there is a mask thread if you want to discuss it in more detail .

13-09-2020 11:25PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

How is the virus that causes COVID-19 most commonly transmitted between people?

Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions.
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted

That in no way says surfaces are the main source of spread.

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 11:27PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Extended lockdown decreased infection rates. It takes longer to die from it than be infected. 10,000+ cases a day there at present. We will see in a few weeks I guess. Very little beyond very optimistic speculation to suggest any weakening of virus.

Case rise, hospitalisation rate rises minimum 2/3 weeks later then another lag to death increase. Nothing indicates the pattern should be any different now. Heading into winter too. We haven't had a full winter of CoVid yet.

While some of us might be cheerleading pub reopening and looking in awe at the feckless French in their displays of bravado. I don't think the mood will be the same in 2/3 months time.

This .+ 1 ..smelly old boot

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 11:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't yet know what my Covid test result will be, all I know us that I have had a most horrible week. I have worn masks all the time, and I find it particularly difficult with my glasses steaming up, also I perspire quite a lot and have been rebreathe here sweaty steamy vapours from my bask, even though I change them quite frequently. Just reading stuff here, that I've hitherto disagreed with in my own mind, I am beginning to wonder why I have had a particularly bad summer with sinusitis and seemingly chronic low level chest infection. It is just dashing in me that *perhaps* my bad health has been due to rebreathing my own bacteria & having them multiply in sinuses & lungs.

I'd honestly thought you'd given yourself sepsis the other night due to developing a bacterial infection from a mask.

It could be responsible for the infection, masking isn't good for your teeth either could be causing the tooth problems.

Was happy to hear your still alive that's the main thing...:)

13-09-2020 11:31PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

DM..that post is from July.
It is now believed that transmission while possible from contaminated surfaces is less likely than through airborne droplet or aerosols.

I agree that mask etiquette is poor and people need to heed the current advice from HSE , which is EVERYWHERE at this stage as regards, how to put on , take off and wash or dispose of masks safely , now .

Yes I do know about using masks because it was one of the first things I learned when training and have been using them safely , I think , for about 40 years .

HSE need to keep emphasising the importance of masks , and how they should be used safely ,
to make up for the mixed messages early on in this pandemic .
Unfortunately it doesn't help when you have a group of people who somehow think they can avoid an airborne virus , by not wearing a mask , and shout loudly about it at every opportunity.

Finally there is a mask thread if you want to discuss it in more detail .

While airborne transmission is possible and does occur, the consensus remains that the primary source of transmission is direct/indirect face to face transmission through close contact.

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 11:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

While airborne transmission is possible and does occur, the consensus remains that the primary source of transmission is direct/indirect face to face transmission through close contact.

Where does the WHO say that..

13-09-2020 11:35PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd honestly thought you'd given yourself sepsis the other night due to developing a bacterial infection from a mask.

It could be responsible for the infection, masking isn't good for your teeth either could be causing the tooth problems.

Was happy to hear your still alive that's the main thing...:)

The teeth have needed doing for a while anyway. But I am genuinely just beginning to think that since I am already prone to sinusitis that rebreathing the germs cannot be doing me any good at all. I'm planning on getting an ENT referral to address the sinus issue properly.

speckle · 13-09-2020 11:37PM

majcos wrote: »

Not necessarily. Respiratory consultants are absolutely involved in caring for patients with this but in most hospitals, patients will end up under the care of consultants in general internal medicine who are versed in dealing with acute respiratory failure. Respiratory consultants will have a role in long term follow up if patients develop long term lung disease but don’t necessarily have specific skills that are needed in immediate hospital care of Covid.

Intensivists/anesthetists usually look after ventilation. It is infectious diseases specialists who took the lead in caring for Covid patients in the Mater Hospital initially at least. Patients might also need the specific skills of a nephrologist if develop kidney failure, a haematologist for thrombosis related complications, a vascular surgeon if require an amputation due to a thrombosed limb, a stroke specialist, a cardiologist for myocarditis, etc.

Thanks that is a really interesting post an gives me some clarity I was looking for, off now to check my local covid designated hospital, think we are missing some of the above but we just got an amazing new cardiac specialist in time, and the intensive care consultant is good but only part time and I really really really like the anesthetists' in the hospital, but sadly some of the intensive care nurses (putting it kindly) I think need more life experience.

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 11:38PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd honestly thought you'd given yourself sepsis the other night due to developing a bacterial infection from a mask.

It could be responsible for the infection, masking isn't good for your teeth either could be causing the tooth problems.

Was happy to hear your still alive that's the main thing...:)

I would say that there are more chances of getting sepsis from a broken toenail than from a mask .
Your anti mask agenda is so funny , while giving out about bacteria on face masks and trying to get people to engage about some obscure mask in HongKong , you are telling some poor person who has got an infection which may or may not be Covid that it might be " sepsis " from her mask!
That light bulb has just popped

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 11:42PM

speckle wrote: »

Thanks that is a really interesting post an gives me some clarity I was looking for, off now to check my local covid designated hospital, think we are missing some of the above but we just got an amazing new cardiac specialist in time, and the intensive care consultant is good but only part time and I really really really like the anesthetists' in the hospital, but sadly some of the intensive care nurses (putting it kindly) I think need more life experience.

Re nurses...life experience ?

Wolf359f · 13-09-2020 11:42PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I would say that there are more chances of getting sepsis from a broken toenail than from a mask .
Your anti mask agenda is so funny , while giving out about bacteria on face masks and trying to get people to engage about some obscure mask in HongKong , you are telling some poor person who has got an infection which may or may not be Covid that it might be " sepsis " from her mask!
That light bulb has just popped

I wish they would unban him from the mask thread. His constant anti-mask rhetoric is tiresome. If no problem in him expressing his anti-mask agenda, but in the relevant thread.

On another note, Goldengirl, how's the morale in the health service in light of the increases in cases and admissions?

spookwoman · 13-09-2020 11:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The teeth have needed doing for a while anyway. But I am genuinely just beginning to think that since I am already prone to sinusitis that rebreathing the germs cannot be doing me any good at all. I'm planning on getting an ENT referral to address the sinus issue properly.

Weather has a lot to do with it as well. Family here all have sinus issues and can def say mask makes no difference. Still getting headaches, stuffy nose, sneezing etc. My own doc few weeks back when I was in with bad headaches said doctors are trying to get away from treating sinus issues with antibiotics and using nasal sprays instead.
Hope the tablets works cause nothing worse than sinus's acting the b*llox

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 11:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The teeth have needed doing for a while anyway. But I am genuinely just beginning to think that since I am already prone to sinusitis that rebreathing the germs cannot be doing me any good at all. I'm planning on getting an ENT referral to address the sinus issue properly.

It's hard enough breathe as it is I know your pain, I definitely wouldn't want to be re breathing my own bacteria.
My sinuses are long gone...have had a few nose jobs. Good at the moment but i'm prone to head colds and coughs, usually gone in a few days with the right supplements and cough bottle.

speckle · 13-09-2020 11:47PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Re nurses...life experience ?

I found the ones 40+ way better than 'some' of the young ones in their 20s.

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 11:48PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I would say that there are more chances of getting sepsis from a broken toenail than from a mask .
Your anti mask agenda is so funny , while giving out about bacteria on face masks and trying to get people to engage about some obscure mask in HongKong , you are telling some poor person who has got an infection which may or may not be Covid that it might be " sepsis " from her mask!
That light bulb has just popped

Come you know it wasn't me who suggested Legionnaires, sepsis was entirely plausible at that stage, It's something i'm terrified of after seeing what it can do, I'd always ask could it be sepsis, covid wouldn't be my first thought if someone had flu like symptoms.

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 11:50PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I wish they would unban him from the mask thread. His constant anti-mask rhetoric is tiresome. If no problem in him expressing his anti-mask agenda, but in the relevant thread.

On another note, Goldengirl, how's the morale in the health service in light of the increases in cases and admissions?

On a personal level as that is what I am posting here , apprehensive .

A lot of preparation going on for separation of Covid and non Covid all over again , in hospital I work in .

spookwoman · 13-09-2020 11:51PM

Don't know if anyone posted this today. Worth a listen 24 mins about testing in hospitals.
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1305222456504979457?s=20

Goldengirl · 13-09-2020 11:52PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come you know it wasn't me who suggested Legionnaires, sepsis was entirely plausible at that stage, It's something i'm terrified of after seeing what it can do, I'd always ask could it be sepsis, covid wouldn't be my first thought if someone had flu like symptoms.

She wouldn't have been up to posting on Boards if it was Sepsis .

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 11:59PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

She wouldn't have been up to posting on Boards if it was Sepsis .

She sounded fairly crook at one Stage, breathing difficulties, racing heart etc.
There's a lot of anxiety out there which probably heightens symptoms, was wondering had I covid a few hours ago, it's gone again now.

Goldengirl · 14-09-2020 12:00AM

speckle wrote: »

I found the ones 40+ way better than 'some' of the young ones in their 20s.

As an ICU nurse early in my career and now I would think that the " young" nurses are very on the ball , up to the minute with everything and capable, in that ICU is an extremely fast moving and demanding both physically and mentally .
My job would be less hands on and have more time , to see other things that are coming down the line , so just a different perspective really .
I can't work the hours I used to work , as it is full on when you are there and I am drained when finished .

14-09-2020 12:04AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I would say that there are more chances of getting sepsis from a broken toenail than from a mask .
Your anti mask agenda is so funny , while giving out about bacteria on face masks and trying to get people to engage about some obscure mask in HongKong , you are telling some poor person who has got an infection which may or may not be Covid that it might be " sepsis " from her mask!
That light bulb has just popped

Don't worry, I don't think at all I have anything bordering on sepsis, but I am slightly curious as to why my sinus problems have increased greatly. It does not mean I won't be wearing a mask or advocating that anyone should not do, but if I'm Covid negative and pending consultation with an ENT specialist I will avoid situations as much as possible that require me to wear masks and also disposing of them extremely frequently where I do wear them, IF the rebreathing germs in my particular case is causing me adversity. I have mild chronic lymphocytopenia which could possibly make me more prone to this than the average person.

majcos · 14-09-2020 12:10AM

speckle wrote: »

Thanks that is a really interesting post an gives me some clarity I was looking for, off now to check my local covid designated hospital, think we are missing some of the above but we just got an amazing new cardiac specialist in time, and the intensive care consultant is good but only part time and I really really really like the anesthetists' in the hospital, but sadly some of the intensive care nurses (putting it kindly) I think need more life experience.

Hope nobody would need all of the above mentioned specialists. Most hospitals outside the main cities (Model 3 hospitals) do not have all of those specialists but are still capable of dealing with complicated Covid cases.

Patients are admitted under a primary consultant who has overall responsibility but they often request a consultation from another specialist if there is a specific issue. If there is not a consultant/specialist in that particular field in the hospital, then the parent hospital within the hospital group would be contacted.

Don’t necessarily need, and it is not practical, to have every specialist in all hospital sites but the expertise that is needed is still accessible from elsewhere. Made even easier now with technology which means X-rays, CT scans etc can be viewed from elsewhere.

Wolf359f · 14-09-2020 12:10AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

On a personal level as that is what I am posting here , apprehensive .

A lot of preparation going on for separation of Covid and non Covid all over again , in hospital I work in .

I can't even imagine how your experience in work has changed so much. It's not like a hospital can close overnight to make changes, it's all on the fly.
Keep up the good fight, the majority out there are still doing what they can to keep covid spreading and out of the hospitals.

Goldengirl · 14-09-2020 12:13AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

She sounded fairly crook at one Stage, breathing difficulties, racing heart etc.
There's a lot of anxiety out there which probably heightens symptoms, was wondering had I covid a few hours ago, it's gone again now.

Along with that light bulb, I fear

Ficheall · 14-09-2020 12:14AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

On another note, Goldengirl, how's the morale in the health service in light of the increases in cases and admissions?

And related - how many are losing the will to return to work and put themselves at risk when they see the opinions and actions from certain quarters?

Renjit · 14-09-2020 12:18AM

Lmao...that 5G protest was lit :pac:

drunkmonkey · 14-09-2020 12:20AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Along with that light bulb, I fear

Get out of that garden:D

Renjit · 14-09-2020 12:25AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Get out of that garden:D

Mate, still going strong with anti-mask agenda. Cheers!

drunkmonkey · 14-09-2020 12:25AM

Renjit wrote: »

Lmao...that 5G protest was lit :pac:

5g is next month. I see them moaning on Facebook not another protest until the 13th of October, trying to get mini regional ones while their waiting.

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