Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

caveat emptor · 13-09-2020 07:02PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

I thought it was a third got infected, even if it was 70% does that mean that 30% have immunity

It was 70%, the tweet contains a link to the paper in nature. I've copied the section below. It's a big unknown and a serious gamble to go for given the evidence of corona viruses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00451-5.epdf

Clearly, no sterilizing immunity through cross- protection was evident during the SARS- CoV-2 outbreak on the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier, where 70% of the young adult sailors became infected before the epidemic came to a halt.

Taking these considerations into account, there is little evidence to suggest that the spread of SARS- CoV-2 might stop naturally before at least 50% of the popu-lation has become immune. Another question is what it would take to achieve 50% population immunity, given that we currently do not know how long naturally acquired immunity to SARS- CoV-2 lasts (immunity to seasonal coronaviruses is usually relatively short lived), particularly among those who had mild forms of disease, and whether it might take several rounds of re- infection before robust immunity is attained. Re- infection has only been conclusively documented in a very limited number of cases so far and it is unclear whether this is a rare phenomenon or may prove to become a common occurrence. Likewise, how a previous infection would affect the course of disease in a re- infection, and whether some level of pre- existing immunity would affect viral shedding and transmissibility, is unknown.

13-09-2020 07:03PM

RGARDINR wrote: »

Plus if office's opening now be lots of people in them from multiple households so can spread easier. Just silly if they do that with households then.

The idea is you know who are in offices and can track them relatively easily. If an office outbreak returns to multiple home environments with lots of mixing it spreads far more quickly, and probably results in more untraced spread

13-09-2020 07:08PM

Had my test outside Vincent's Hospital a short time ago, almost totally painless. I'm feeling remarkably better, and I can't describe the joy I felt to be out in the beautiful evening sun. In fact I haven't felt as well in some time as I do now, and for the first time in a very long time I can breath through my nose.

It's difficult to know without the result of the test yet, but I'm half inclined to believe the amoxicillin has kicked in and cleared an infection which had been building up. I hope to be able to get a referral to an ENT consultant and perhaps have an investigation/procedure to resolve sinus issues which I was diagnosed with decades ago and which, along with gastro-esophageal reflux disease , has caused a few particularly nasty bouts of pneumonia in the past. This time I got no bloody or rust or purple coloured sputum as in the past, but bacterial types behave somewhat differently.

I have a couple of dental issues at the moment too, which I hope to get addressed soonish if I have a COVID negative test.

Eod100 · 13-09-2020 07:13PM

RGARDINR wrote: »

Plus if office's opening now be lots of people in them from multiple households so can spread easier. Just silly if they do that with households then.

Are offices opening now? Friend was saying he heard government were going to encourage people back to offices but hadn't seen or heard anything myself. Would you have link to article by any chance on it?

Littleredcar · 13-09-2020 07:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea is you know who are in offices and can track them relatively easily. If an office outbreak returns to multiple home environments with lots of mixing it spreads far more quickly, and probably results in more untraced spread

But if they are back in the offices they are also on public transport with a lot more people harder to trace

road_high · 13-09-2020 07:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People here sound excited about the prospect of higher numbers and lockdowns

Probably because they are!

13-09-2020 07:15PM

Littleredcar wrote: »

But if they are back in the offices they are also on public transport with a lot more people harder to trace

On public transport, wearing masks, with restrictions on capacity.

Funsterdelux · 13-09-2020 07:16PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I hope Santy and Bunny are informed

They get an update weekly from Nphet

road_high · 13-09-2020 07:16PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Are offices opening now? Friend was saying he heard government were going to encourage people back to offices but hadn't seen or heard anything myself. Would you have link to article by any chance on it?

It’s up to the companies and organizations concerned. Once they adhere to social distancing and all the measures they can open. Most places seem to be taking a pragmatic approach and not pressuring either way if the work can be done effectively from home

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 07:19PM

road_high wrote: »

It’s up to the companies and organizations concerned. Once they adhere to social distancing and all the measures they can open. Most places seem to be taking a pragmatic approach and not pressuring either way if the work can be done effectively from home

I wonder legally can they force them to work in the office, I know during the red level weather warnings an employer is responsible if they are injured on the way to work if you force them to come in.

Littleredcar · 13-09-2020 07:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

On public transport, wearing masks, with restrictions on capacity.

And are they going to supply a fleet of additional buses to transport these people at reduced capacity . Pre lockdown I used public transport and rarely got a seat, standing room only during rush hour so can’t see how they can ferry people at reduced capacity

random_banter · 13-09-2020 07:21PM

Plus if office's opening now be lots of people in them from multiple households so can spread easier. Just silly if they do that with households then.

Eod100 wrote: »

Are offices opening now? Friend was saying he heard government were going to encourage people back to offices but hadn't seen or heard anything myself. Would you have link to article by any chance on it?

I also just got a text essentially saying the same thing - likely some whatsapp rumour going around?

Can find zero evidence of it anywhere, so if anyone has seen anything would appreciate a link.

There I was hoping the whatsapp rumour mills were a thing of the past. Wishful thinking.

Eod100 · 13-09-2020 07:24PM

road_high wrote: »

It’s up to the companies and organizations concerned. Once they adhere to social distancing and all the measures they can open. Most places seem to be taking a pragmatic approach and not pressuring either way if the work can be done effectively from home

Thought advice/regulations were still to work from home where possible unless essential

Littleredcar · 13-09-2020 07:25PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Thought advice/regulations were still to work from home where possible unless essential

Up to September 13

13-09-2020 07:28PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I wonder legally can they force them to work in the office, I know during the red level weather warnings an employer is responsible if they are injured on the way to work if you force them to come in.

I am required in the office twice per week as my job supports a 24/7 manufacturing operation and a couple of things can’t be done remotely. In reality, I am now choosing to be onsite 4 days a week, as I end up having Adhoc requirements to enter the production areas, especially for technical/product issues. Being there means I don’t lose the 30 minutes travelling in and the office is only at about 25% onsite, so from a Covid safety point of view it doesn’t bother me. Also, as much as the remote working tech has made things easier, complex problem solving, crisis management and team integration does require an element of face to face to be effective

Eod100 · 13-09-2020 07:31PM

Littleredcar wrote: »

Up to September 13

I don't think that a date had been ever specified but if you have link from gov.ie or HSE or article with it I'd be curious to have a read. I know recent national restrictions had been then but now extended to next Tuesday. My understanding was wfh was ongoing advice with no set date as such

JP Liz V1 · 13-09-2020 07:31PM

There should be high fines for house party owners

road_high · 13-09-2020 07:32PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I wonder legally can they force them to work in the office, I know during the red level weather warnings an employer is responsible if they are injured on the way to work if you force them to come in.

Well if the work is deemed essential then yes they can. And that’s an extremely broad term as all work is essential - or else they wouldn’t be paying people a salary to do it!!

Littleredcar · 13-09-2020 07:32PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't think that a date had been ever specified but if you have link from gov.ie or HSE or article with it I'd be curious to have a read. I know recent national restrictions had been then but now extended to next Tuesday. My understanding was wfh was ongoing advice with no set date as such

Mm said it at a press conference

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 07:32PM

Littleredcar wrote: »

But if they are back in the offices they are also on public transport with a lot more people harder to trace

Not if they have the app too. Along with masks and restricted capacity

Benimar · 13-09-2020 07:32PM

Littleredcar wrote: »

Up to September 13

Extended to Sept 15th.

New guidelines announced then.

Eod100 · 13-09-2020 07:33PM

Littleredcar wrote: »

Mm said it at a press conference

Any idea when that was by any chance?

13-09-2020 07:34PM

Littleredcar wrote: »

Up to September 13

All depends on how crap a company/organisation is. Plenty of friends working in mn have been told it's going to be February 2021 at the earliest, one even June 2021 at the earliest worldwide, even then if they want the staff can continue to work from home.

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 07:34PM

random_banter wrote: »

I also just got a text essentially saying the same thing - likely some whatsapp rumour going around?

Can find zero evidence of it anywhere, so if anyone has seen anything would appreciate a link.

There I was hoping the whatsapp rumour mills were a thing of the past. Wishful thinking.

its in the road map to live with covid.

People will be encouraged to go back into the office where possible

Littleredcar · 13-09-2020 07:35PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Any idea when that was by any chance?

August 19th

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 07:35PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Thought advice/regulations were still to work from home where possible unless essential

Changes with the living with covid plan to come Monday / Tuesday.

Where possible going into the office will be encouraged

John O.Groats · 13-09-2020 07:35PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There should be high fines for house party owners

Agree 100% with this.

Littleredcar · 13-09-2020 07:35PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

All depends on how crap a company/organisation is. Plenty of friends working in mn have been told it's going to be February 2021 at the earliest, one even June 2021 at the earliest worldwide, even then if they want the staff can continue to work from home.

What’s mn

Littleredcar · 13-09-2020 07:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not if they have the app too. Along with masks and restricted capacity

The capacity is not there in Dublin to transport people ever been on a dart or a bus at 5 in the evening

Eod100 · 13-09-2020 07:36PM

Littleredcar wrote: »

August 19th

Great, thanks. Not doubting you or anything btw, just completely missed it so was curious

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