Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Micky 32 · 13-09-2020 02:37PM

PetCare wrote: »

does anyone around got through the virus ? or close relatives ? how bad was your condition ?

I know 15 people to date that had it. 2 of them were my cousin and her husband.

All made full recoveries. Talking to them they went through hell. No, not because of the virus itself ( some said they had worse flu’s) but the emotional rollercoaster they went through ( including their families worried sick) because of the media’s scaremongering/fearmongering and a few misery merchants thrown into the mix. The media had them scared of death at the time while they were sick.
As for for longterm issues? Some yes, not physically but still some emotional issues due to it all.

CalamariFritti · 13-09-2020 02:43PM

majcos wrote: »

How did you calculate hospital admission rate and ICU admission rate? I cannot figure out where you got those numbers from.

I didnt count them. I said my numbers are just for illustration purposes.

All I'm saying is that only yesterday a HSE statement repeated the WHO standard figures of 15% hospitalisations and 5% ICU admission for covid cases.

And looking at HSE's 14 day incidence report from yesterday its nowhere near that.

2016 cases, 58 hospitalisations, 2 ICU admissions, 4 deaths. Thats a hospitalisation rate of 2.8% and an ICU rate of 0.1% and 0.2% CFR.
Thats not as low as my example but there is obviously a discrepancy here.

Thats undeniable, right?

13-09-2020 02:43PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I know 15 people to date that had it. 2 of them were my cousin and her husband.

All made full recoveries. Talking to them they went through hell. No, not because of the virus itself ( some said they had worse flu’s) but the emotional rollercoaster they went through ( including their families) because of the media’s scaremongering/fearmongering and a few misery merchants thrown into the mix. The media had them scared of death at the time while they were sick.
As for for longterm issues? Some yes, not physically but still some emotional issues due to it all.

The media scared the c*** out of me from st Patrick's day until end of June. Not anymore. Some journalists have a lot to answer for when this over. They have caused a lot of undue worry to a lot of people. In other professions there is strict regulations and disciplinary action for people who are dishonest etc. I have lost alot of respect for journalism during this time.

paulie21 · 13-09-2020 02:47PM

Any Sunday beers?

Polar101 · 13-09-2020 02:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/this-is-not-february-consultant-says-covid-19-can-be-conatined-if-we-do-the-right-things-1.4353755?mode=amp

Professor Lambert said colleagues in France and Singapore say virus is just as contagious but less lethal in all age groups. Lambert said SARS went this way also after a time. Things are improving...

The bit about 'post-covid Freeze' sounds about right. The government should have had the 18-month plan ready in June/July with the last phase of the restrictions, instead of doing nothing for 3 months and waiting for things to get worse again.

I realize there was a change of government, but it really feels like they wasted most of the summer.

NegativeCreep · 13-09-2020 02:53PM

paulie21 wrote: »

Any Sunday beers?

Plenty if you know where to go

Widdensushi · 13-09-2020 02:53PM

paulie21 wrote: »

Any Sunday beers?

I don't think there were last Sunday

13-09-2020 03:02PM

Going for my Covid test at 6pm this evening. First day I've started feeling human, seem to be turning the corner. The joint pains and fatigue have been incredible, but apart from an asthmatic reaction (Quite a reduction in peak flow) my SP02 levels remained entirely within normal range. Back in March when I became very unwell in holiday in the Namibian desert, my little pulse oximeter showed an SP02 between 82-89%, which showed the alveoli/gas exchange had become affected. I was never tested then, and showed no antibodies about three months after. On antibiotic currently, will be curious to see if I currently have or have not got Covid.

speckle · 13-09-2020 03:10PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Not sure how relevant this point is, but I have been on this thread from the start and I don't think I have seen as many people posting with direct connections to the whole process, as over the past month or so.

People reporting they have it, are awaiting tests, have been tested, have been notified as close contacts etc. Even in the midst of the high death numbers and hospitals at breaking point, there was not as much direct experience reporting on this thread, as there is now.

Anyone else notice that?

A bit like TB or even cancer, people where afraid to talk about anything surrounding them at first for many different reasons including potentially being stigmatized.

So I believe this is a good thing that people are talking about direct experience.

Possibly it also took people time to really absorb what was /is going on, and like many governments they where stuck 'in the headlights/headlines and frozen and now that the scientific and medical community have much more research/practical experience behind them than 9 months ago, (even if not all the answers), the public feel safer enough to start moving forward to meet the challenge?

majcos · 13-09-2020 03:17PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I didnt count them. I said my numbers are just for illustration purposes.

All I'm saying is that only yesterday a HSE statement repeated the WHO standard figures of 15% hospitalisations and 5% ICU admission for covid cases.

And looking at HSE's 14 day incidence report from yesterday its nowhere near that.

2016 cases, 58 hospitalisations, 2 ICU admissions, 4 deaths. Thats a hospitalisation rate of 2.8% and an ICU rate of 0.1% and 0.2% CFR.
Thats not as low as my example but there is obviously a discrepancy here.

Thats undeniable, right?

Thank you. I was genuinely interested/asking a question about how you did the calculations. Was not trying to just snipe. That 14 day report is a good source of information.

I have already posted that I definitely agree that hospitalizations and case fatality rate is much lower that initially published but the health authorities/governments would have been expecting that and have known that.

However, those figures of a hospitalization rate of 2.8% and case fatality rate of 0.2% are still very considerable if extrapolated to the whole population.

13-09-2020 03:31PM

I remember when I was in that trip in March and became ill, there was huge pressure on me not to be "visibly unwell" as people were in fear of being quarantined. At the time the country had set up a crude tent hospital close to the airport, and fellow travellers were afraid they would end up in that. The country was starting to be very proactive by the time I was leaving. It is an amazingly clean country in the first place, but by then they had started spraying restaurant seats with disinfectant before and after use, and workers could be seen on ladders cleaning fan surfaces everywhere, and if you used a toilet a cleaner was in spraying it directly after you came out. Some people on here thought I was irresponsible to be travelling, but at the time Ireland was on such a low level of alert that you were considered OTT if you even mentioned the wretched virus. I travelled with a bit of trepidation, and self isolated for weeks after coming home, literally locking myself inside my apartment and putting rubbish bags on balcony To prevent encounters with anyone as I was recovering.

I had heeded that a pandemic was on the way, and as I live alone I had stocked up on tons of non-perishable items to tide me over in such a circumstance. I found medical services in Ireland very unprepared, and thinking I was doing the responsible thing by phoning the out of hours weekend GP service to inform them I was coming out of a dangerous phase of illness with 82% SP02 the doctor on duty asked "what exactly are you expecting us to do about it?"

Ficheall · 13-09-2020 03:39PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

2016 cases, 58 hospitalisations, 2 ICU admissions, 4 deaths. Thats a hospitalisation rate of 2.8% and an ICU rate of 0.1% and 0.2% CFR.
Thats not as low as my example but there is obviously a discrepancy here.

Thats undeniable, right?

The majority of people who caught it in that fortnight were relatively young, though.

0-4
3 of 89 hospitalized 3.37%
5-14
1 of 186 hosp. 0.5%
25-34
3 of 386 hosp. 0.8%
35-44
0 of 315 hosp. 0%
45-54
7 of 254 hosp. 2.75%
55-64
7 of 179 hosp. 3.91%
65-74
12 of 96 hosp. 12.5%
75-84
9 of 55 hosp. 16.36%
85+
11 of 42 hosp. 26.19%

speckle · 13-09-2020 03:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Going for my Covid test at 6pm this evening. .

Wishing you good health, keep the chin up:)

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 03:46PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1305155389160292352?s=19

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 03:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1305155389160292352?s=19

What are they going to do, they have no right to enforce anything on people outside. What's the point in the article, Garda going to get you, the state thugs are out in force (I don't actually think there thugs but would they ever feck off and grow a pair and stand up to this bullcrap the government are asking them to enforce).

niamh247 · 13-09-2020 03:52PM

Why is MM saying schools is a priority, while the cases rising? What's the bigger harm than infection in case schools are closed? This is dichotomy without sense. Are the schools guaranteed to be covid-safe? Why are so many schools listed with covid outbreaks in social media?

It appears that they simply want to create a perception that things are retuning to normal at the cost of rising infections. Who wants "normalcy" at the cost of infections? Is this people's wish or government's crazy idea?

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 04:05PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are they going to do, they have no right to enforce anything on people outside. What's the point in the article, Garda going to get you, the state thugs are out in force (I don't actually think there thugs but would they ever feck off and grow a pair and stand up to this bullcrap the government are asking them to enforce).

Yes your correct there is little they can actually do. The whole point is as a deterant to reduce households mixing and if it works then great. Lower the numbers the better for everyone. Don't see what the issue is if it reduces the incidence rate in certain parts of the county.

PCros · 13-09-2020 04:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1305155389160292352?s=19

Essentially aimed at gangs of teenagers.

stephenjmcd · 13-09-2020 04:07PM

PCros wrote: »

Essentially aimed at gangs of teenagers.

Its more than teenagers gathering in groups, drove through city centre and out towards sandymount towards Dalkey then this afternoon and plenty of groups of adults chatting away but its outdoors so don't see the issue there. Better than gathering in their houses.

PopTarts · 13-09-2020 04:18PM

Is it 10 in ICU now?

Quite a jump from last week when we had 6.

spookwoman · 13-09-2020 04:20PM

PopTarts wrote: »

Is it 10 in ICU now?

Quite a jump from last week when we had 6.

yep 10 now. Quick look s and it was about the 14th july we last had that number

drunkmonkey · 13-09-2020 04:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yes your correct there is little they can actually do. The whole point is as a deterant to reduce households mixing and if it works then great. Lower the numbers the better for everyone. Don't see what the issue is if it reduces the incidence rate in certain parts of the county.

I'm not seeing the point, it's like busting some broke ass drug dealer and ignoring Mr Big.
There's only one way to eradicate it and we're not going down that road so just let people get on with living and protect those at risk by asking them to take personal responsibility for their own situation until this flushes through the majority that won't be affected.

BobbyMalone · 13-09-2020 04:46PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are they going to do, they have no right to enforce anything on people outside. What's the point in the article, Garda going to get you, the state thugs are out in force (I don't actually think there thugs but would they ever feck off and grow a pair and stand up to this bullcrap the government are asking them to enforce).

Same with groups hanging around parks and shopping centres in non-Covid times, I'd imagine. A more visible presence would deter the majority of them.

ACitizenErased · 13-09-2020 04:56PM

PopTarts wrote: »

Is it 10 in ICU now?

Quite a jump from last week when we had 6.

Not really. People in ICU now have likely been in hospital for 1-2 weeks. ICU rise is natural progression.

wadacrack · 13-09-2020 04:57PM

https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1305173100724715520

US2 · 13-09-2020 05:02PM

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1304535784335249408?s=19

fritzelly · 13-09-2020 05:09PM

US2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1304535784335249408?s=19

If she's got proof then just release it - been saying this for months

Wouldn't be surprised if she is just a spoofer

iamwhoiam · 13-09-2020 05:11PM

fritzelly wrote: »

If she's got proof then just release it - being saying this for months

Wouldn't be surprised if she is just a spoofer

And her announcement was on Loose Women !!! Very classy

spookwoman · 13-09-2020 05:11PM

ICU figures from HSE Hub Reports.

JP Liz V1 · 13-09-2020 05:32PM

The delay in testing and tracing is getting bad again

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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