How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

PowerToWait · 12-09-2020 09:57AM

khalessi wrote: »

Ya know women and people aged 25-44 now at centre in rise of Covid according to the Irish Independent. What jobs would they have I wonder. It would be great if they would mention the ocuupations.

I was thinking last night, it won’t be long before everybody is out clapping for teachers, as they are providing an essential service, at the frontline, at risk to themselves and families.

There’ll surely be priority shopping and lots of people donating free meals and the like as well.

Not be long now.....

meeeeh · 12-09-2020 10:04AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I was thinking last night, it won’t be long before everybody is out clapping for teachers, as they are providing an essential service, at the frontline, at risk to themselves and families.

There’ll surely be priority shopping and lots of people donating free meals and the like as well.

Not be long now.....

How often did you clap for shop workers or public transport workers, meat factory workers who are doing that from beginning of pandemic? Do families of meat factory workers matter or should we only clap when middle class people get affected?

caveat emptor · 12-09-2020 10:08AM

meeeeh wrote: »

How often did you clap for shop workers or public transport workers, meat factory workers who are doing that from beginning of pandemic? Do families of meat factory workers matter or should we only clap when middle class people get affected?

I think everyone should get a Bula bus every Wednesday. Everyone needs a clap on a pat on the back regularly. Sadly it won’t help the situation for teachers, kids or parents.

Now what about covid in schools? We are open only two weeks. Given that the incubation period is between 2 and 14 days and test turn around etc. Not to mention asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread. Is it plausible that there hasn’t been enough time to see onward transmission in schools yet? At what point can we say it’s safe enough. I’d say in another 3/4 weeks we’ll know.

delly · 12-09-2020 10:47AM

I think going into next week is when we might start seeing school transmissions, although we may not see it reported. The hot topic of schools quickly took a back seat when the high numbers of notifications became apparent, although part of that is the downplay by the relevant public bodies.

I did see in the Facebook page yesterday that a third case was confirmed in a Dublin school, this was the first I've seen of three in one school.

Jinglejangle69 · 12-09-2020 10:48AM

delly wrote: »

I think going into next week is when we might start seeing school transmissions, although we may not see it reported. The hot topic of schools quickly took a back seat when the high numbers of notifications became apparent, although part of that is the downplay by the relevant public bodies.

I did see in the Facebook page yesterday that a third case was confirmed in a Dublin school, this was the first I've seen of three in one school.

Or we might not.

Like most other countries.

I know that might dissapoint you.

irishblessing · 12-09-2020 10:50AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Or we might not.

Like most other countries.

I know that might dissapoint you.

And it will obviously disappoint you if we do. Like many other countries.

Jinglejangle69 · 12-09-2020 11:02AM

irishblessing wrote: »

And it will obviously disappoint you if we do. Like many other countries.

When are people gonna realise.

Life has to and is going on.

This virus can't hold us back any longer.

Learn to live with it and accept people will get it.

nthclare · 12-09-2020 11:06AM

This thread should be shut down, they're already back to school.

End of, that's it case closed.

meeeeh · 12-09-2020 11:16AM

irishblessing wrote: »

And it will obviously disappoint you if we do. Like many other countries.

You mean you will be happy if that happens? Any normal person would be disappointed.

iguana · 12-09-2020 11:17AM

delly wrote: »

I did see in the Facebook page yesterday that a third case was confirmed in a Dublin school, this was the first I've seen of three in one school.

I saw that but if all the cases are in different classes there is a high chance that the three cases are siblings. That said my son picked up a cold in school during the week. He and his friend are both home from school since mid-week, both had Covid tests, both negative. When my GP was referring him for a test, she said she has referred around 100 children since school reopened, all with negative results. But what is obvious so, is that viral transmission is still happening at school. The pod system is not in anyway stopping viruses from finding new hosts. In their case it was a more common, older virus but if whatever they have had been Sars-Cov-2, it's possible it would have transmitted just as easily.

khalessi · 12-09-2020 11:20AM

iguana wrote: »

I saw that but if all the cases are in different classes there is a high chance that the three cases are siblings. That said my son picked up a cold in school during the week. He and his friend are both home from school since mid-week, both had Covid tests, both negative. When my GP was referring him for a test, she said she has referred around 100 children since school reopened, all with negative results. But what is obvious so, is that viral transmission is still happening at school. The pod system is not in anyway stopping viruses from finding new hosts. In their case it was a more common, older virus but if whatever they have had been Sars-Cov-2, it's possible it would have transmitted just as easily.

Ah sure we all knew that changing the names of classes and groups to bubbles and pods was not going to stop viruses spreading.

Re the 3 kids in one school they could also be hanging around/playing with each other outside of school. Going by chat in a friends school during week, one of the kids caught it and another kid in another class piped up sure I was playing with X after school yesterday for hours. Am watching that space.

caveat emptor · 12-09-2020 12:04PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Or we might not.

Like most other countries.

I know that might dissapoint you.

WTF are you on about "disappoint you". You need your head checked if you think people disappointed if there wasn't an outbreak in their children's school.

12-09-2020 12:08PM

khalessi wrote: »

Ah sure we all knew that changing the names of classes and groups to bubbles and pods was not going to stop viruses spreading.

Re the 3 kids in one school they could also be hanging around/playing with each other outside of school. Going by chat in a friends school during week, one of the kids caught it and another kid in another class piped up sure I was playing with X after school yesterday for hours. Am watching that space.

It also would not a stretch, given there were 1000 cases in Dublin in the past week, for all 3 cases in the one school to have arisen in their homes independent of each other

caveat emptor · 12-09-2020 12:10PM

nthclare wrote: »

This thread should be shut down, they're already back to school.

End of, that's it case closed.

I agree that schools have opened but maybe we should change the thread to "how will schools stay open".

Two weeks of primary and one week of secondary is it not a bit early to be claiming "mission accomplished" ? I know the politicians would like us to move on and not look at what's actually happening. Any outbreak that subsequently occurs is being seeded now just like it took a while in Germany and Denmark. Of course that could be "living with the virus" means.

downthemiddle · 12-09-2020 12:11PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Excellent, hopefully there’ll be plenty more like you.

Smaller classroom sizes and more focused teaching for my kids.

Not if the teacher is a close contact or tests positive. With the teacher shortage it is looking more and more likely classes will be sent home as the year goes on because there will be nobody to teach them.

PCros · 12-09-2020 12:22PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I agree that schools have opened but maybe we should change the thread to "how will schools stay open".

There’s an assumption in that title. How about “Schools and Covid 19”. Simple.

I highly doubt that all the schools are going to close in Ireland. They aren’t magically linked somehow.

Worst case is local schools where there are siblings but I don’t think it will get worse than that.

iguana · 12-09-2020 12:35PM

PCros wrote: »

I highly doubt that all the schools are going to close in Ireland. They aren’t magically linked somehow.

If our healthcare system comes under pressure like it did in March they will have to. And/or, if it starts to appear that clusters are forming in schools and contributing to spread, like they did in Israel, they will have to close. It won't be a case of waiting until each school has a case and closing it after detection. If it becomes established that the act of having school open is a significant risk of causing the R0 to rise, we won't be letting the R0 keep rising and acting reactively. No matter the economic cost of closing again for a number of months in winter, allowing our healthcare system to collapse would have worse significantly economic consequences.

PowerToWait · 12-09-2020 12:36PM

meeeeh wrote: »

How often did you clap for shop workers or public transport workers, meat factory workers who are doing that from beginning of pandemic? Do families of meat factory workers matter or should we only clap when middle class people get affected?

I actually didn’t clap for anyone meeeeeeeeeee, for a couple of reasons. We know you won’t clap for the muinteoirí.

I would say though, that none of the careers you mentioned are reserved for any particular ‘class’. Nor is the teaching or health care sectors.

On another note, public transport and retail workers have been fairly well protected by their employers from the beginning with Perspex screens, strict distancing, and PPE. Of course they deserve a clap too though.

As do teachers. You lead the way?

PCros · 12-09-2020 12:42PM

iguana wrote: »

If our healthcare system comes under pressure like it did in March they will have to. And/or, if it starts to appear that clusters are forming in schools and contributing to spread, like they did in Israel, they will have to close. It won't be a case of waiting until each school has a case and closing it after detection. If it becomes established that the act of having school open is a significant risk of causing the R0 to rise, we won't be letting the R0 keep rising and acting reactively. No matter the economic cost of closing again for a number of months in winter, allowing our healthcare system to collapse would have worse significantly economic consequences.

Israel had a similar with class sizes and thats it, but people seem to keep running with that and forgetting the other aspects.

They had no lockdown unlike Ireland and were in the middle of a heatwave and the schools would not put on the aircon. Schools then gave in to screaming parents and ended up closing the windows and putting on the aircon which was a disaster.

PowerToWait · 12-09-2020 12:46PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

When are people gonna realise.

Life has to and is going on.

This virus can't hold us back any longer.

Learn to live with it and accept people will get it.

I don’t see too many societies adopting this approach just yet. BoJo prepared to throw 100 BILLION at a testing program. Lockdowns all over the globe. Borders closing daily.

Why do you think this is?

iguana · 12-09-2020 01:00PM

PCros wrote: »

They had no lockdown unlike Ireland and were in the middle of a heatwave and the schools would not put on the aircon. Schools then gave in to screaming parents and ended up closing the windows and putting on the aircon which was a disaster.

Israel handled the initial outbreak very well. They lowered their curve significantly and thought it was safe. The air-conditioning factor is very important as we know air-conditioning seems to increase transmission. On the otherhand, kids in so, so many of our schools are singing together in classrooms with no social distancing. And we are already seeing viral transmission occurring in schools in Ireland. Thankfully of older, cold causing viruses. So it's a very strong possibility that Sars-Cov-2 could transmit in the same way if it's in a school. Especially if it isn't identified quickly.

12-09-2020 01:21PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Excellent, hopefully there’ll be plenty more like you.

Smaller classroom sizes and more focused teaching for my kids.

You don't even have school age kids.

You seem to have invented them, and all the stories about taking them on holidays abroad in your head, how you are the person who gets to decide what rules apply to them on their (pretend) return to schools in the imaginary cloud simply to annoy people.

Bit weird if you ask me.

12-09-2020 02:15PM

PCros wrote: »

Israel had a similar with class sizes and thats it, but people seem to keep running with that and forgetting the other aspects.

They had no lockdown unlike Ireland and were in the middle of a heatwave and the schools would not put on the aircon. Schools then gave in to screaming parents and ended up closing the windows and putting on the aircon which was a disaster.

In fairness, Israel actually had one of the earliest and strictest lockdowns in the world from mid March until mid-May. It's success was what led them into lifting most restrictions and opening all schools. The parents did scream about the kids back in mostly overcrowded classrooms wearing masks and doors and windows open and no aircon in the midst of prolonged 36 to 43 degree Centigrade heat! Closing wasn't an option as it's all about the economy and psychological damage to kids being home. Like everywhere. Until the virus hits and then there's a whole other set of priorities.

PCros · 12-09-2020 02:31PM

Balagan1 wrote: »

In fairness, Israel actually had one of the earliest and strictest lockdowns in the world from mid March until mid-May. It's success was what led them into lifting most restrictions and opening all schools. The parents did scream about the kids back in mostly overcrowded classrooms wearing masks and doors and windows open and no aircon in the midst of prolonged 36 to 43 degree Centigrade heat! Closing wasn't an option as it's all about the economy and psychological damage to kids being home. Like everywhere. Until the virus hits and then there's a whole other set of priorities.

Indeed they had an 8 week lockdown and then went from one extreme to pretty much the other and allowed everything back at once including schools and also massive weddings which was a huge contributor.

We are nothing like that. We’ve been in lockdown for over 21 weeks and have brought back schools now whilst weddings are maxed at 50, pubs are mainly closed and social gatherings are max of 6 people to name a few restrictions.

12-09-2020 02:44PM

PCros wrote: »

Indeed they had an 8 week lockdown and then went from one extreme to pretty much the other and allowed everything back at once including schools and also massive weddings which was a huge contributor.

We are nothing like that. We’ve been in lockdown for over 21 weeks and have brought back schools now whilst weddings are maxed at 50, pubs are mainly closed and social gatherings are max of 6 people to name a few restrictions.

Yes, we have been way more careful and have avoided clusters within schools. Still over 60 schools with recorded cases after less than three weeks back is worrying, added to clear signs that testing and hospitals not in any way ready for a spike. Israel, for the record, back to lockdown again from next week including schools closed

In the first two-week phase, people will not be permitted to go further than 500 metres from their homes and only essential workplaces, supermarkets and pharmacies will be open. Schools will be closed and restaurants will only be able to sell takeaway orders. Prayer will be permitted in public areas. In the second stage, there will be a partial lockdown and schools will remain closed. In the third stage, a “traffic light” plan will be implemented, focusing on the so-called red zones where infection rates are highest. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/coronavirus-israel-imposes-nationwide-lockdown-as-cases-soar-1.4352640

PCros · 12-09-2020 03:09PM

Balagan1 wrote: »

Yes, we have been way more careful and have avoided clusters within schools. Still over 60 schools with recorded cases after less than three weeks back is worrying, added to clear signs that testing and hospitals not in any way ready for a spike. Israel, for the record, back to lockdown again from next week including schools closed

Ireland has been way more careful indeed and thats why I think it will work out in the schools. I actually couldn't believe the amount of cases Israeli has...I thought an extra zero had been added by mistake!

Since schools have opened we have had 2,224 cases of which 60 are in schools which equates to less than 3%. Not being flippant about any figures but I'd be more concerned if that was much higher.

Scoondal · 12-09-2020 04:59PM

The schools should have re-opened in June when the cases were 20 per day.

wirelessdude01 · 12-09-2020 05:01PM

Scoondal wrote: »

The schools should have re-opened in June when the cases were 20 per day.

You still banging this drum. Seriously that was 3months ago. Get over it. Schools not reopening at that time wasn't the fault of schools or the people who work in them. Let it go.

We have to deal with the here and now.

khalessi · 12-09-2020 05:06PM

Scoondal wrote: »

The schools should have re-opened in June when the cases were 20 per day.

Santa should have bought me roller skates. How far back in the past are we going to go?

Is it that you are incapable of posting other than trolling?

Blondini · 12-09-2020 05:06PM

Scoondal wrote: »

The schools should have re-opened in June when the cases were 20 per day.

Why do you keep repeating this crapp?

It's in the past, and no they shouldn't.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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