Friend tested positive

mikeoc85 · 10-09-2020 8:54am #1

Hi all,

Just wondering what is the process atm.

A friend of mine tested positive three days ago and has been told to go home and isolate for 14 days. He hasn't been asked by the HSE who he has been in contact with etc, who's onus is it to do that?

manlad · 10-09-2020 8:56am

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Hi all,

Just wondering what is the process atm.

A friend of mine tested positive three days ago and has been told to go home and isolate for 14 days. He hasn't been asked by the HSE who he has been in contact with etc, who's onus is it to do that?

Personal responsibility, only he knows who his close contacts have been.

mikeoc85 · 10-09-2020 8:58am

manlad wrote: »

Personal responsibility, only he knows who his close contacts have been.

Ok, I'm surprised to hear that. I assumed the HSE would be in touch with people. One friend that spent a lot of time with him in the past week still won't isolate, we're all furious with him...he plays gaelic football and they have an importnt championship match this weekend so he doesn't want to miss that. His excuse is he's not showing any symptoms. What are the guidelines around that?

Kimbot · 10-09-2020 8:59am

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Ok, I'm surprised to hear that. I assumed the HSE would be in touch with people. One friend that spent a lot of time with him in the past week still won't isolate, we're all furious with him...he plays gaelic football and they have an importnt championship match this weekend so he doesn't want to miss that. His excuse is he's not showing any symptoms. What are the guidelines around that?

The guidelines are he should contact hse and tell them he is a close contact with a positive case and get tested himself.

headtheball14 · 10-09-2020 9:00am

The first call where he was told he was positive was the start of the contact tracing process. This should be followed shortly by a separate call which will go through his contacts and determine who is a close contact. Then those close contacts will be followed up by contact tracing, they won’t identify him in these calls. Did he have the contact tracing app installed?

mikeoc85 · 10-09-2020 9:19am

Kimbot wrote: »

The guidelines are he should contact hse and tell them he is a close contact with a positive case and get tested himself.

Yea that's what we were telling him but he's refusing to as he has a game coming up and is showing no symptoms. He's been training and coming into contact with 30 other lads every other day.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 9:22am

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Yea that's what we were telling him but he's refusing to as he has a game coming up and is showing no symptoms. He's been training and coming into contact with 30 other lads every other day.

Report him to his club.

Pinoy adventure · 10-09-2020 9:24am

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Yea that's what we were telling him but he's refusing to as he has a game coming up and is showing no symptoms. He's been training and coming into contact with 30 other lads every other day.

He is a fool
He is also very selfish and should be reported too his club about risking 30 plus others plus there family's

rom · 10-09-2020 9:28am

I would tell him you can either isolate or I will report you to the club. It is up to you the way you want this to go.

harr · 10-09-2020 9:35am

I would definitely give him option of doing the proper procedure and self isolate or I would report to his club . Plenty of people have no symptoms and are testing positive. The likes of his attitude could potentially infect not only his team but the team is up against at the weekend. We definitely won’t be mr popular if he is reason half the team become infected.
In reality anyone he has been in close contact with now also needs to self isolate.

lucalux · 10-09-2020 9:37am

I would try asking him once more about isolating, and if he brushes you off? I'd go straight to the club manager.

There is no excuse for b*llsh1t like that, for the sake of football. Championship or no.

People are trying to do things safely, and GAA is important for communities alright, but a club where team members are knowingly and willfully endangering every single team mate and their families? Outrageous, and the club manager should be switched on enough to realise they cannot allow it to slide.

I'm actually mad thinking about that tbh, my brothers are playing championship football at the moment, (hope their game this weekend isn't against your buddy's team!) and my parents are both somewhat at risk. If they brought Covid home from some eejit (putting it very mildly) it would be very hard to forgive a person so irresponsible.

NeonCookies · 10-09-2020 9:40am

mikeoc85 wrote:

A friend of mine tested positive three days ago and has been told to go home and isolate for 14 days. He hasn't been asked by the HSE who he has been in contact with etc, who's onus is it to do that?

A friend of mine tested positive 4 weeks ago (terrifyingly she still has no idea where she got it from, and she would be very careful). She had a HSE contact tracer call her the day she found out to gather details of close contacts. Very worrying to hear the contact tracing system may be breaking down with the increase in cases.

Hawthorn Tree · 10-09-2020 9:41am

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Hi all,

Just wondering what is the process atm.

A friend of mine tested positive three days ago and has been told to go home and isolate for 14 days. He hasn't been asked by the HSE who he has been in contact with etc, who's onus is it to do that?

Really? I thought this was standard?
The HSE should take the lead here within 24 hours. Strange.

punisher5112 · 10-09-2020 9:42am

Contact the HSE and club, state there is a person training there that has tested positive, don't even have to name.... Leave it to them then...

He can get a nice fine for been so thick.

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 9:45am

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Really? I thought this was standard?
The HSE should take the lead here within 24 hours. Strange.

He has no symptoms, HSE aren't really concerned with people with no symptoms, close contacts are only people you've been with in the 48hrs before symptoms appeared.
He may have tested positive through contact tracing if he has and has no symptoms his contacts won't be traced.

HBC08 · 10-09-2020 9:49am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Contact the HSE and club, state there is a person training there that has tested positive, don't even have to name.... Leave it to them then...

He can get a nice fine for been so thick.

As i read it he (the GAA player) hasnt tested positive,a close contact has

Hawthorn Tree · 10-09-2020 9:49am

https://www.gaa.ie/news-archive/news/guidance-for-clubs-dealing-with-positive-or-suspected-covid-19-cases/

Fergal McGill, GAA Director of Player, Club, and Games Administration, explains the approach to be adopted by clubs.

"It is quite simple, if someone in a club gets the symptoms of Covid they should contact their GP," McGill says.

"If their GP thinks they need to then they will arrange testing. Public health then take over. If it is a negative test the player can return to activity, if it is a positive test and the player has Covid, public health will then take over.

"Public health will do an assessment on the player's movements in the previous days and will make a decision as to who should be considered a close contact or a casual contact in a GAA context."

Close Contact
Will be Tested
Will undergo active follow up from Public Health
Should be contacted every day
Telephone GP immediately if unwell
Don’t leave home unless necessary
Avoid Travel (within or outside of Ireland)
GAA INVOLVEMENT – None until medical assessment and clearance to return

Casual Contact
Passive Follow Up for 14 days
Will be advised about their risk
Should ring GP immediately if any symptoms
develop
GAA INVOLVEMENT – As normal as long as symptom free

punisher5112 · 10-09-2020 9:50am

HBC08 wrote: »

As i read it he (the GAA player) hasnt tested positive,a close contact has

Thread title and 1st post states different

GhostyMcGhost · 10-09-2020 9:53am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Contact the HSE and club, state there is a person training there that has tested positive, don't even have to name.... Leave it to them then...

He can get a nice fine for been so thick.

DONT do that please. The whole team will be checked. The team have a big game coming up which will be either cancelled or worse, forefit.... You'll ruin the game for all the players (in both clubs)

If you contact the club, make sure they know specifically who it is you're referring to. Don't say someone tested positive because nobody has yet. One player who you know to be a close contact of a positive case is not isolating

giveitholly · 10-09-2020 9:53am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Thread title and 1st post states different

Nothing in the first post states that the gaa player tested positive. The gaa player was a close contact of the positive case

lucalux · 10-09-2020 9:54am

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

DONT do that please. The whole team will be checked. The team have a big game coming up which will be either cancelled or worse, forefit.... You'll ruin the game for all the players (in both clubs)

If you contact the club, make sure they know specifically who it is you're referring to

Wow. GAA cultism still alive and well in some quarters

HBC08 · 10-09-2020 9:55am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Thread title and 1st post states different

Have a look at the 2nd post from the op.

punisher5112 · 10-09-2020 9:57am

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

DONT do that please. The whole team will be checked. The team have a big game coming up which will be either cancelled or worse, forefit.... You'll ruin the game for all the players (in both clubs)

If you contact the club, make sure they know specifically who it is you're referring to. Don't say someone tested positive because nobody has yet. One player who you know to be a close contact of a positive case is not isolating

Do any of you actually read what you write, he has been playing and knows he tested positive, this in itself is reckless and irresponsible.

Very selfish attitude, no wonder the numbers are rising.

Can the op clarify because there seems to be a lot of confusion here....
Is he tested positive or is it he was close contact because I'm going by the thread title and 1st post.

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 9:58am

giveitholly wrote: »

Nothing in the first post states that the gaa player tested positive. The gaa player was a close contact of the positive case

There won't be any contact tracing done on his contacts then, 25% of close contacts aren't turning up for testing and 50% aren't turning up for their second test 7 days later.
It's all anonymous so the GAA won't know, he's morally obliged to tell them but there is no legal basis for it.

mikeoc85 · 10-09-2020 9:58am

Thanks all.

Yes we tried to tell him this and we even told him to just get tested, it takes 24 hours to hear back and then he can return to training if it's negative.

giveitholly · 10-09-2020 10:02am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Do any of you actually read what you write, he has been playing and knows he tested positive, this in itself is reckless and irresponsible.

Very selfish attitude, no wonder the numbers are rising.

Can the op clarify because there seems to be a lot of confusion here....
Is he tested positive or is it he was close contact because I'm going by the thread title and 1st post.

No confusion,just read the 3rd post in this thread,the op's second post

mikeoc85 · 10-09-2020 10:03am

Just to clarify, our friend the GAA player, hasn't tested positive yet because he hasn't been tested, but has been in close contact for large periods with another friend who has tested positive.

GhostyMcGhost · 10-09-2020 10:03am

lucalux wrote: »

Wow. GAA cultism still alive and well in some quarters

I’m not a GAA player or involved in any club. Can’t even be considered a fan for that matter. I’ve seen the chaos that Covid had done to businesses, clubs and more .... leaving an anonymous message that a player on team A is positive will almost certainly lead to the cancellation of the game. How does that help anyone??

One player who was a close contact of a positive case should not be training. He should be taken aside

If this was someone in an restaurant doing same, would you call the restaurant and say a member of staff is positive? You know what would happen if you do

Common sense and honesty has to prevail or we’ll never learn to live with Covid

And yes, people need to listen and adhere to contact tracing advice and restrictions, or if they don’t, then I agree fully with reporting them

punisher5112 · 10-09-2020 10:10am

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

I’m not a GAA player or involved in any club. Can’t even be considered a fan for that matter. I’ve seen the chaos that Covid had done to businesses, clubs and more .... leaving an anonymous message that a player on team A is positive will almost certainly lead to the cancellation of the game. How does that help anyone??

One player who was a close contact of a positive case should not be training. He should be taken aside

If this was someone in an restaurant doing same, would you call the restaurant and say a member of staff is positive? You know what would happen if you do

Common sense and honesty has to prevail or we’ll never learn to live with Covid

And yes, people need to listen and adhere to contact tracing advice and restrictions, or if they don’t, then I agree fully with reporting them

Yes I would, the person infected needs to think of others, I'm doing everything I possibly can to stay safe and more so for my dad as he is in his 70s and if I passed this on it would kill him...

People need to be responsible for their actions.

Also sorry about the confusion to everyone I read it that the friend was the gaa player.
Sorry

Cazale · 10-09-2020 10:25am

Get a new friend.

headtheball14 · 10-09-2020 10:30am

Some of the issue may be if this player knowing he is a close contact just doesn’t engage, answer his phone to contact tracing etc then there is no way to schedule testing for him.
I imagine that is what is happening since he seems determined to ignore the risk he presents . It is very selfish attitude, you can’t legislate or regulate for this. The only effective action is through the informal and peer networks such as his friends and club members. I think his club members would be furious if they knew and as recommended I would tell him that the manager would be informed .

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 10:33am

Nothing you can do really if he doesn't want to get tested, there's a possibility that he doesn't have it either as not every single person that was in close contact with an infected person ends up getting infected themselves.

10-09-2020 10:46am

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Yea that's what we were telling him but he's refusing to as he has a game coming up and is showing no symptoms. He's been training and coming into contact with 30 other lads every other day.

Tell the Covid officer at the club?

10-09-2020 10:51am

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Thanks all.

Yes we tried to tell him this and we even told him to just get tested, it takes 24 hours to hear back and then he can return to training if it's negative.

No he cant, has to isolate for 14 days irregardless of negative result as virus may not show up until 14 days have passed

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 11:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

No he cant, has to isolate for 14 days irregardless of negative result as virus may not show up until 14 days have passed

There looking at reducing that, 14 is the far end of the scale and rare. It's on average 4/5 days.

hurleronditch · 10-09-2020 11:12am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No he cant, has to isolate for 14 days irregardless of negative result as virus may not show up until 14 days have passed

This is correct.

If he meets the strict criteria of a close contact of a positive case as defined by the HSE, even if his test comes back negative he must restrict his movements (which allows him out and about but limited time in contact with people, and only individual exercise, no organised sport) for 14 days after his last contact with the confirmed positive case.

OP, this guy is in blatant breach of public health guidelines. The underlying issue here seems to be that the original positive case has fallen through the cracks and has been missed from a full contact tracing perspective but he is an adult and sometimes we have to make decisions that impact our personal lives.

If he isn’t going to do it himself I’d strongly consider telling his GAA club. If he does test positive subsequently, which may be quite likely if he had been in a lot of close contact with the index case, even if he wins his championship match depending on which county he is in and their rules he may get them thrown out of the next round as you all a sudden have 39 other people across two clubs who will have been on the pitch with him who will need to isolate, teachers not going to school, doctors, healthcare workers etc etc.

I’m not usually one for faux outrage but this is an unbelievable act of selfishness which has a good likelihood of coming back to bite our GAA superstar in the arse

10-09-2020 11:17am

hurleronditch wrote: »

This is correct.

If he meets the strict criteria of a close contact of a positive case as defined by the HSE, even if his test comes back negative he must restrict his movements (which allows him out and about but limited time in contact with people, and only individual exercise, no organised sport) for 14 days after his last contact with the confirmed positive case.

OP, this guy is in blatant breach of public health guidelines. The underlying issue here seems to be that the original positive case has fallen through the cracks and has been missed from a full contact tracing perspective but he is an adult and sometimes we have to make decisions that impact our personal lives.

If he isn’t going to do it himself I’d strongly consider telling his GAA club. If he does test positive subsequently, which may be quite likely if he had been in a lot of close contact with the index case, even if he wins his championship match depending on which county he is in and their rules he may get them thrown out of the next round as you all a sudden have 39 other people across two clubs who will have been on the pitch with him who will need to isolate, teachers not going to school, doctors, healthcare workers etc etc.

I’m not usually one for faux outrage but this is an unbelievable act of selfishness which has a good likelihood of coming back to bite our GAA superstar in the arse

Chances are they are a sub on the Junior B team with heightened sense of self importance

lucalux · 10-09-2020 11:19am

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

I’m not a GAA player or involved in any club. Can’t even be considered a fan for that matter. I’ve seen the chaos that Covid had done to businesses, clubs and more .... leaving an anonymous message that a player on team A is positive will almost certainly lead to the cancellation of the game. How does that help anyone??

One player who was a close contact of a positive case should not be training. He should be taken aside

If this was someone in an restaurant doing same, would you call the restaurant and say a member of staff is positive? You know what would happen if you do

Common sense and honesty has to prevail or we’ll never learn to live with Covid

And yes, people need to listen and adhere to contact tracing advice and restrictions, or if they don’t, then I agree fully with reporting them

Ok so the problem is with reporting anonymously, I'll agree it wouldn't be the best way of doing it, but OP doesn't seem to want to report his friend.
So say nothing?

If anything gets cancelled or ruined on these footballers, there's only one person at fault.
The person who is acting like their spot on a GAA club team is more important than other people's health.

Might ruin his footballing career altogether. As the above poster says, they might end up getting kicked out of the championship as a result of his actions.

People having to isolate, missing work, losing income etc wouldn't be too fast to forgive outrageously selfish behaviour like this. Might never get selected again.
Would serve him right imo, there's no need for this at all.

amadangomor · 10-09-2020 11:24am

lucalux wrote: »

Ok so the problem is with reporting anonymously, I'll agree it wouldn't be the best way of doing it, but OP doesn't seem to want to report his friend.
So say nothing?

If anything gets cancelled or ruined on these footballers, there's only one person at fault.
The person who is acting like their spot on a GAA club team is more important than other people's health.

Might ruin his footballing career altogether. As the above poster says, they might end up getting kicked out of the championship as a result of his actions.

People having to isolate, missing work, losing income etc wouldn't be too fast to forgive outrageously selfish behaviour like this. Might never get selected again.
Would serve him right imo, there's no need for this at all.

Plus someone potentially bringing home to a vulnerable person or causing a outbreak that will cause someone vulnerable to contract it.

lucalux · 10-09-2020 11:32am

amadangomor wrote: »

Plus someone potentially bringing home to a vulnerable person or causing a outbreak that will cause someone vulnerable to contract it.

Sorry ha, of course that's the main worry, I lost my first comment and forgot to include it when rewriting it

Covid is the main concern, absolutely, and also the disruption and worry that his selfishness will cause in the clubs involved. Maddening stuff.

Away With The Fairies · 10-09-2020 12:02pm

Didn't a close contact from a meat factory go into work into a care home and infected someone in the care home and a work colleague a few weeks ago?

They were a close contact, eventually ended up positive and continued on into work.

This person is doing the exact same, just without a test. Pure selfish.

They should make this behaviour a criminal offence.

I like the suggestion of reporting to the club manager.

HeidiHeidi · 10-09-2020 1:21pm

Jesus, is he 12 or what?

If I was that manager, I'm damn sure I'd like to know if there was a player potentially infecting half the team(s) and staff, and all the knock-on implications that go with that.

All for one player in one match. He must have a very high opinion of himself :mad:

Irish Aris · 10-09-2020 1:32pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Jesus, is he 12 or what?

If I was that manager, I'm damn sure I'd like to know if there was a player potentially infecting half the team(s) and staff, and all the knock-on implications that go with that.

All for one player in one match. He must have a very high opinion of himself :mad:

Definitely an own goal from that lad.
For me, this is the kind of scenario we need to avoid.
There might be a good chance that he would test negative, but because he doesn't want to self isolate and miss a match, he just ignores the situation.

I was giving out on another thread about the government micromanaging the whole situation, but examples like this justify the whole micromanaging aspect. . .

And it really disheartens me that we are talking about his friend giving an anonymous tip to his team/manager. Going down that road is something that I don't like at all - but as Heidi said if I was part of that team I would like to know that a team mate was in contact with a positive case. . .

mikeoc85 · 10-09-2020 1:48pm

There is some unclear advice from the HSE.

"Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with a person who has coronavirus will sometimes count as casual contact. This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.
What to do if you are a casual contact

If you are a casual contact you should know the symptoms of coronavirus and be aware that you may develop them.

You do not need to restrict your movements, but you should continue to follow the advice on how to protect yourself and others."

HeidiHeidi · 10-09-2020 1:57pm

mikeoc85 wrote: »

There is some unclear advice from the HSE.

"Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with a person who has coronavirus will sometimes count as casual contact. This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.
What to do if you are a casual contact

If you are a casual contact you should know the symptoms of coronavirus and be aware that you may develop them.

You do not need to restrict your movements, but you should continue to follow the advice on how to protect yourself and others."

I'm fairly sure the last bit wouldn't include up close and personal GAA training with multiple others, in the full knowledge that he could be positive.

And that's the key for me - he could be positive. And he might not be. But he might be.

So given the potential implications of his actions and activities, the onus is on him to establish that he isn't positive before he carries on as normal.

How you persuade him of that, though, I don't know.

But as I said, if I was that manager or teammate, I'd want to know. The idea of people keeping secrets like this freaks me out a bit, tbh.

amadangomor · 10-09-2020 2:17pm

mikeoc85 wrote: »

There is some unclear advice from the HSE.

"Spending more than 2 hours in an indoor space with a person who has coronavirus will sometimes count as casual contact. This could be an office or a classroom. But it will depend on the size of the room and other factors.
What to do if you are a casual contact

If you are a casual contact you should know the symptoms of coronavirus and be aware that you may develop them.

You do not need to restrict your movements, but you should continue to follow the advice on how to protect yourself and others."

The OP seemed to indicate that the Football Friend had spent a lot of time with the lad who tested positive so was a close contact of his.

robindch · 10-09-2020 2:28pm

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Just to clarify, our friend the GAA player, hasn't tested positive yet because he hasn't been tested, but has been in close contact for large periods with another friend who has tested positive.

Just to give an idea of how other people are treating similar situations - and he might benefit from reading this:

I had dinner with a friend on Sunday, 23rd August. The next day, after meeting for coffee with my 82-year old dad who has an underlying health condition, and my sister and her her immuno-compromized child, my friend contacted me to say that a) a family member with whom he'd had dinner on the Friday, 15th August had tested positive and b) that my friend was going for testing himself that day, costing him around €200. I contacted my GP immediately and was told to wait for the HSE to contact me, as they would if my friend tested positive, and not to worry anybody unduly at this point - I said that we'd quarantine until my friend's results came back. I'd already arranged a hiking trip with my kid and another friend starting the following day and had my friend's test come back positive, I'd have cancelled the lot, arranged a test for myself and quarantined until my own results came back.

Thankfully, my friend's test came back negative and we were able to continue on the hike as planned, and father and my niece didn't need to hear about anything.

Your friend is not behaving responsibly and does not respect the sacrifices that other people are making.

10-09-2020 2:38pm

Sounds a bit like a made up story to whip up a bit of outrage.

If you really want to, just rat on him and be done with it.

mikeoc85 · 10-09-2020 2:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sounds a bit like a made up story to whip up a bit of outrage.

If you really want to, just rat on him and be done with it.

Why would I make up the story? &#55357;&#56837;

Why would I want to 'rat' on my friend? I can just seeing this being an issue if someone passes it on to someone vulnerable then I'm sure they'll be in big trouble.

DangerScouse · 10-09-2020 2:47pm

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Yea that's what we were telling him but he's refusing to as he has a game coming up and is showing no symptoms. He's been training and coming into contact with 30 other lads every other day.

It's people like him that ruin it for us all. Cnut

punisher5112 · 10-09-2020 4:36pm

mikeoc85 wrote: »

Why would I make up the story? ��

Why would I want to 'rat' on my friend? I can just seeing this being an issue if someone passes it on to someone vulnerable then I'm sure they'll be in big trouble.

At that stage it's too late....

If anyone knows or thinks they may have it then they should step up to the plate and do what is needed.
I appreciate people have bills, mortgage etc but is that worth it if someone dies... Look I'm going about as normal as possible. Its a tough one for all.

I do hope it ends very soon.

Friend tested positive

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