Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

inthenip · 09-09-2020 04:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

deaths

Just wondering how many of these who got the normal flu would of dying. Not trying to be morbid or anything but would like to know iif elderly or underlying conditions.

is_that_so · 09-09-2020 04:01PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

That's a big jump in deaths if accurate

Deaths are reported. That can take up to 3 months till people do so.

hynesie08 · 09-09-2020 04:01PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

That's a big jump in deaths if accurate

At least one person either here or twitter said they had a relative die last week of it, so they're probably spread out over time

09-09-2020 04:01PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

We never found out how we all picked it up (whole family had it) but we presume it could have occured whilst i was in the UK with work the week previous to first signs of the virus.

Yes my best friend presumed he picked it up on a short trip to UK in early March. Whole family then got it. He could not taste or smell anything for months.

Hope your all recovering well.

is_that_so · 09-09-2020 04:02PM

inthenip wrote: »

Just wondering how many of these who got the normal flu would of dying. Not trying to be morbid or anything but would like to know iif elderly or underlying conditions.

200-500 deaths a year here I think, but only 100 this year. Flu' has a vaccine but people still die anyway.

Happydays2020 · 09-09-2020 04:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

deaths

So 84 cases of beer and 4 bottles of spirits.

lee_baby_simms · 09-09-2020 04:05PM

Stark wrote: »

Same pattern also observed in Florida. Started with the "casedemic" (vomit at term): high case numbers, low numbers hospitalisations and deaths. Low hospitalisations and deaths gave way to complacency and now they're up **** creek.

They didn't have high case numbers at the start.

Ultimately the cases/death rose and are now falling with no enforced restrictions or lockdowns in place.

Surely the case/deaths should be rising given that everything is open?

09-09-2020 04:09PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

They didn't have high case numbers at the start.

Ultimately the cases/death rose and are now falling with no enforced restrictions or lockdowns in place.

Surely the case/deaths should be rising given that everything is open?

Academics argue southern states of U.S. along with South America countries have a wider curve than us due to climate/seasonality.

New York is similar to Europe in terms of climate and seasons hence they had like all of Europe a bell shape curve. Short shock over serveral months.

lolokeogh · 09-09-2020 04:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes my best friend presumed he picked it up on a short trip to UK in early March. Whole family then got it. He could not taste or smell anything for months.

Hope your all recovering well.

The guessing game of where it could have been picked up continues in my house here,5 of us have it,im in week 2,the rest just behind me,its relentless..

09-09-2020 04:13PM

lolokeogh wrote: »

The guessing game of where it could have been picked up continues in my house here,5 of us have it,im in week 2,the rest just behind me,its relentless..

Hope your all doing OK?

I'd imagine a lot of people will never know. Just hunches.

fritzelly · 09-09-2020 04:14PM

Always_Running wrote: »

So if 84 cases confirmed tonight we'll have up to 72 cases added into Thursday or Fridays total?

Probably save them all up for Saturday

ceadaoin. · 09-09-2020 04:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Academics argue southern states of U.S. along with South America countries have a wider curve than us due to climate/seasonality.

New York is similar to Europe in terms of climate and seasons hence they had like all of Europe a bell shape curve. Short shock over serveral months.

They dont have a wider curve. Have you seen it lately? The peak is over and they are on the decline. They just started later.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

09-09-2020 04:17PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They dont have a wider curve. Have you seen it lately? The peak is over and they are on the decline. They just started later.

I agree peak is over.

Don't agree with started later

Grew slower due to seasonality etc.

Kh1993 · 09-09-2020 04:18PM

The daily numbers are getting silly now. Whatever Glynn says about transparency being needed is fine, but random case numbers and ‘backlogs’ every 3 or 4 days now is nowhere near transparent either.

All it does is add fear.

Gael23 · 09-09-2020 04:19PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Probably save them all up for Saturday

What’s the significance of Saturday

babyboom · 09-09-2020 04:20PM

What is the situation if a small business, with close customer contact has a positive case? Local place here has a confirmed case but business is still open. I thought they'd have to close. It's a small place, only 3 staff but packed with customers a lot of the time.

odyssey06 · 09-09-2020 04:21PM

is_that_so wrote: »

200-500 deaths a year here I think, but only 100 this year. Flu' has a vaccine but people still die anyway.

Vaccines did seem to bring an end to the Asian Flu and Honk Kong flu epidemics in the mid 20th century which were far more severe than usual flu seasons in terms of deaths.

With the usual flu season, there are many strains of flu and the vaccine is only 50% 'matched' to the circulating strains, based on last 10 years of data.
Some years the vaccine worked for general population but was less effective for over 65s due to weaker immune response.

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 04:25PM

Everyone sign up for the flu jab, get in asap

JDD · 09-09-2020 04:26PM

The peaks in Florida, Texas and California I expect are related to the heatwave they had in July. That kind of heat means everyone goes indoors - shopping, cinemas, bars etc. With everyone indoors its similar to the height of our winter. Now that the temperature has dropped to a more manageable level people are outdoors again.

I mean, it's probably not the only factor but it definitely plays a part.

eigrod · 09-09-2020 04:31PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

The daily numbers are getting silly now. Whatever Glynn says about transparency being needed is fine, but random case numbers and ‘backlogs’ every 3 or 4 days now is nowhere near transparent either.

All it does is add fear.

He did say on Monday for people not to get tied up on the daily numbers, that it’s trends over 7 days that matter.

caveat emptor · 09-09-2020 04:32PM

"The Rule of 6"
Enforced by the police.
"Covid secure venues can hold more than 6 but groups within those settings cannot be more than 6 and can't mix"
Fvcking crap. Hope we don't do something similar.

These measures just limit contagion when it occurs as opposed to preventing it.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1303716848974942210?s=20

lolokeogh · 09-09-2020 04:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hope your all doing OK?

I'd imagine a lot of people will never know. Just hunches.

yeah you could wreck the head on it,we all wore masks,all wash hands,i even gave the car a good wipe every time i got in and out,we were not even out and about much?but sure it is what it is.i showed "first" signs this day 2 weeks ago,but realy i could hazard a guess that my system was showing signs a week before that,but who knows.its here now and we have to deal with it,yeah all doing ok(ish) the breathing thing is an issue,we all feel like have bad flu,no one can taste or smell anything,and some weird symtoms i got were the feeling i had sun burn on arms,and i also had the feeling i had dust in my eyes,my daughter had the same,also you can wake up and feel brand new,ready to run out the door for a 10 mile jog,one hour later in a scrap heap in bed.it will be in the house for a while yet,i got in to my car and drove maybe 10 miles this morning just to get out,came home and fell asleep for 4 hours,drained,so stay safe folks,if anyone does get it as mad as it seems keeps as active as you can,the old skool saying "do not let it get in on you" seems to do the trick,.

Arghus · 09-09-2020 04:35PM

iguana wrote: »

Retroactive sample testing in the UK has shown that a Peter Attwood who died on Jan 30th and developed symptoms on Dec 28th, was the UK’s first Covid case. No travel history. His daughter believes she infected him as she had a Covidlike illness starting on Dec 15th with no idea how she contracted it.

I googled the story to have a look.

I don't think it's cast iron proof of Covid in circulation in Britain in December. It's actually pretty ropey.

There's a lot a claims by his daughter that are hard to prove, a lot of the word "reportedly" to be read. We'll have to take her word for it I guess.

It's also claimed that the coroner found Covid in his lungs, but there's no evidence of that for sure. We have, a supposed, print out of a death certificate - which we'll just assume to be legit, I guess - that lists Covid as a contributing factor - but gives no insight into how they reached that conclusion. What was it down to? Clinical suspicion? A positive lab result? There's no clear data there. Feels distinctly fishy to me.

Also, let's be frank: It's a story in The Sun - who aren't renowned for the rigiourous accuracy or fact checking. The main purpose of the article seems to be to engage in some China bashing, there's an editorial immediately afterwards doing exactly that. And it's now been picked up by The Daily Mail, Sky News etc - and a few well known Tories are wading in with a chance to "blast" the Chinese over "a sinister cover up." Plenty of mentions about China letting the virus spread, which it argues led to even more preventable deaths. The British government's responsibility and ineptitude is mentioned literally nowhere in the report. The political motivation behind the article is pretty transparent.

Covid may have been circulating earlier than we think, but I don't think that story really proves anything to be honest.

Not having a go at you BTW. Just giving my honest assessment of how I see that story. I wouldn't totally discount the circulation of Covid prior to when we were aware of it, but I can't take the word of The Sun about it.

ceadaoin. · 09-09-2020 04:38PM

JDD wrote: »

The peaks in Florida, Texas and California I expect are related to the heatwave they had in July. That kind of heat means everyone goes indoors - shopping, cinemas, bars etc. With everyone indoors its similar to the height of our winter. Now that the temperature has dropped to a more manageable level people are outdoors again.

I mean, it's probably not the only factor but it definitely plays a part.

The climb in cases started before July. Probably got to do with the lifting of the stay at home order, although it was still simmering during that time too. Obviously that couldn't go on indefinitely so it was inevitable that cases would rise at some stage. Same as with Ireland. I dont know why people are so shocked that its happening there too. The only way out of it is through it IMO. Florida did the right thing to protect the vulnerable by keeping nursing homes locked down and so far have avoided New York levels of deaths.

Gael23 · 09-09-2020 04:41PM

Apparently travel restrictions to be relaxed shortly

giveitholly · 09-09-2020 04:43PM

Gerry Killeen on The Last Word still predicting 10,000 cases a day by Christmas

s1ippy · 09-09-2020 04:44PM

babyboom wrote: »

What is the situation if a small business, with close customer contact has a positive case? Local place here has a confirmed case but business is still open. I thought they'd have to close. It's a small place, only 3 staff but packed with customers a lot of the time.

Tbh I doubt there's any oversight of that stuff. The only times I've heard about businesses closing it was as a precaution or for cleaning, and those were the ones that made the paper. The contract tracing app might help notify people who were in the cafe who are close contacts but even then, if a waitress tests positive they'd have to have been standing still for fifteen minutes within two metres of a customer to be regarded as a close contact which is unlikely to happen that way. It doesn't mean nobody has been infected, it just means the procedures in place are flaky.

Course it suits the whole situation that nobody is apparently getting it while they're paying premium prices to sit and eat somewhere. There will be casualties of the economy, it's just up to individuals to decide if they want it to be them.

Gruffalux · 09-09-2020 04:45PM

Saw this article. It can be read for free just by clicking browse button.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/09/08/bergamo-italy-covid-longterm/?arc404=true

Bergamo's doctors started reviewing people who had Covid in March/April. 20 a day. they have gotten through about 750. These would have been the sicker ones maybe, though I don't know. There are a lot left fairly unwell, albeit many of those slowly improving. My thoughts are I wonder will there be good social support for people who maybe cannot work after Covid for a while. The Illness Benefit payment is very low, people could really have trouble maintaining rent, etc. Another reason to not get this yoke.

Those who survived the peak of the outbreak in March and April are now negative. The virus is officially gone from their systems.

“But we are asking: Are you feeling cured? Almost half the patients say no,” said Serena Venturelli, an infectious-disease specialist at the hospital.

The follow-ups with the once-hospitalized patients are the basis for medical research: Their health records now fill 17 bankers’ boxes, and scientific reports are on the way. Bergamo doctors say the disease clearly has full-body ramifications but leaves wildly differing marks from one patient to the next, and in some cases few marks at all. Among the first 750 patients screened, some 30 percent still have lung scarring and breathing trouble. The virus has left another 30 percent with problems linked to inflammation and clotting, such as heart abnormalities and artery blockages. A few are at risk of organ failure.

Beyond that, according to interviews with eight Pope John XXIII Hospital doctors involved in the work, many patients months later are dealing with a galaxy of daily conditions and have no clear answer on when it will all subside: leg pain, tingling in the extremities, hair loss, depression, severe fatigue.

Some patients had preexisting conditions, but doctors say survivors are not simply experiencing a version of old problems.

“We are talking about something new,” said Marco Rizzi, the head of the hospital’s infectious-disease unit.

Edit - yes, all were hospitalised people.

Plumbthedepths · 09-09-2020 04:46PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Gerry Killeen on The Last Word still predicting 10,000 cases a day by Christmas

He sounded disappointed when the other commentator didn't clutch her pearls in fear. Killeen wants a complete lockdown but has little idea what to do when you need to reopen and cases rise again.
I rarely take heed of people who will not be greatly affected by what they seek to impose on others.

09-09-2020 04:46PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Gerry Killeen on The Last Word still predicting 10,000 cases a day by Christmas

Should not be allowed any media attention.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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