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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #8672
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    84 and 54 of which are in Dublin

    OPEN UP DUBLIN!!!!


  • #8673
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s a very important chart. Especially when there is the need to combat misinformation, or at the very least the inaccurate interpretation of information. Based on this chart, the second “surge” has plateaued, and may go to explain why pubs openings are now being considered

    Second surge being controlled , by current restrictions and test and trace of contacts , rather than plateaued.


  • #8674
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    AdamD wrote: »
    If true its an odd jump in deaths

    Would be the highest day for reported deaths since August 7th.


  • #8675
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    hullaballoo wrote: »
    You are painting yourself as a nut here - I don't believe you are but with the constant anti-mask posts, you are seriously doing yourself a disservice. If it was as you say just that you have a personal dislike (or hatred, a bizarre overreaction imo) then fine, you've made your point.

    But because it's an oar you're sticking in at every available opportunity (and sometimes without needing an available opportunity), it makes it look like you're a bit obsessed.

    I'd also say that using "my body, my choice" in this way is really not on. Leaving aside how crass it is for a moment... The phrase was about bodily integrity for women - their right to choose whether or not to receive invasive surgeries or have an input into their own healthcare.

    Unless you are doing something outlandish with the masks, which would be your personal choice to do rather than a government mandate, then they do not impact on your bodily integrity or frankly any other freedom or right you have as a member of this society. It might affect some of your imagined rights but there's nothing the rest of us can do about that.

    I dislike that by virtue of the sheer number of posts you have with these baseless criticisms of wearing masks, you are making it look like there's actually a conversation to be had about this.

    It's not baseless criticism, they evidence was presented to the Special Committee on Covid-19 Response headed by Michael McNamara. Philip Nolan lied on record when challenge by Michael McNamara on the use of them.
    Until you look at the fact based evidence critically you can't make the judgement I'm wrong.
    Not one pro masker has been able to tell me what benefit we expected to see from making them mandatory in all shops and when leaving a table in a pub to go to the toilet.
    I can show what evidence we have but they can't yet I'm the loon.

    I absolutely believe masks have their place just not in the way we've mandated for them.

    I'll try you seen as you went to great lengths to dismiss my fact based opinion, how many hospitalisations have we prevented since masks were made mandatory outside of public transport?


  • #8676
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Below being reported this afternoon. Also increased advertising campaigns to run in Dublin and Limerick.

    "THE chances of imminent new Covid-19 restrictions in Dublin and Limerick are being played down by the Taoiseach and ministers.

    Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said he would want a “very good reason” for applying new restrictions in Dublin that were any more “drastic” than in any other EU country where infection levels were worse.

    He pointed out that Belfast had an infection rate that was much higher than Dublin, at 100 cases per 100,000 population, while many capital cities in Europe were even worse, with no greater restrictions."

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1303683330295115777?s=19


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  • #8677
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Maybe I wasn't clear. Extremely painful cancer, strokes, long drawn out Alzheimer's for example are more worse ways to die than Covid.

    Heart disease is much more efficient killer than Covid.

    In number terms over 90% of old people have died from non Covid issues in the last 6 months

    What is your point? Those other illnesses exist and may be more painful,but they will still exist and kill the same number anyway so I don't know what you're advocating really. May aswell limit covid deaths seeing as they will be large but stoppable, if COVID is allowed spread freely it will kill 1-2% of all over 60's in the region, such as we have seen in New York,Mexico city, Guyaqil, Bergamo. That is much more deaths within that agegroup than would die from other illnesses within the same year


  • #8678
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,188 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    iguana wrote: »
    We also have new data showing that community spread was happening in the UK in late December...

    What data is this?


  • #8679
    inthenip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭inthenip


    Micheal Martin, lock down Dublin haha.

    Leo would of having the balls do.


  • #8680
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It's not baseless criticism, they evidence was presented to the Special Committee on Covid-19 Response headed by Michael McNamara. Philip Nolan lied on record when challenge by Michael McNamara on the use of them.
    Until you look at the fact based evidence critically you can't make the judgement I'm wrong.
    Not one pro masker has been able to tell me what benefit we expected to see from making them mandatory in all shops and when leaving a table in a pub to go to the toilet.
    I can show what evidence we have but they can't yet I'm the loon.

    I absolutely believe masks have their place just not in the way we've mandated for them.

    I'll try you seen as you went to great lengths to dismiss my fact based opinion, how many hospitalisations have we prevented since masks were made mandatory outside of public transport?

    I'll answer your question with a question...how many hospitalisations have we prevented since social distancing was reccommended?

    It's a stupid question, we don't know the answer. But you keep asking your stupid question. Do you think because it is not possible to answer the question that that somehow proves your point?

    I still don't see how masks prevent you from getting on with things. The best you could come up with was something about approaching a server in a coffee shop which I honestly didn't understand.

    Maybe we should stop derailing this thread with mask debates, maybe take it to the masks thread?


  • #8681
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iguana wrote: »
    We also have new data showing that community spread was happening in the UK in late December. It took until March for the hospitals to come under pressure. For at least 10 weeks the virus was spreading and we didn't have a clue. It took at least that long for the cases in hospitals to become an issue. All that's happening now is that we are seeing (some) of what we didn't see in winter/early spring. The virus spreading slowly, mainly asymptomatically/mildly with very few cases leading to hospitalisations. If we don't notice or take action to prevent the spread, until hospital numbers are an issue, it will be too late to prevent a bigger problem.

    This 100 times


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  • #8682
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Second surge being controlled , by current restrictions and test and trace of contacts , rather than plateaued.

    Based on the epidemiological date of case data here the second “surge” is very much plateaued as the rate of increase has flatlined. Fig 1b in the below link
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_08092020%20-%20Website.pdf


  • #8683
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Sconsey wrote: »
    I'll answer your question with a question...how many hospitalisations have we prevented since social distancing was reccommended?

    It's a stupid question, we don't know the answer. But you keep asking your stupid question. Do you think because it is not possible to answer the question that that somehow proves your point?

    I still don't see how masks prevent you from getting on with things. The best you could come up with was something about approaching a server in a coffee shop which I honestly didn't understand.

    Maybe we should stop derailing this thread with mask debates, maybe take it to the masks thread?

    Answer my question asking why you think I should be jailed for using social distancing instead of a mask?


  • #8684
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Arghus wrote: »
    What data is this?

    It's been reported in France in December, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920301643


  • #8685
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Answer my question asking why you think I should be jailed for using social distancing instead of a mask?

    Well because it I assume you would breaking the law? do you have a problem with being punished for breaking laws?

    Also, so much BS from you in such a small post:
    -I never said anyting about you being jailed, you made that up
    -No one says you should wear a mask over distancing, do both where appropriate


  • #8686
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It's not baseless criticism, they evidence was presented to the Special Committee on Covid-19 Response headed by Michael McNamara. Philip Nolan lied on record when challenge by Michael McNamara on the use of them.
    Until you look at the fact based evidence critically you can't make the judgement I'm wrong.
    Not one pro masker has been able to tell me what benefit we expected to see from making them mandatory in all shops and when leaving a table in a pub to go to the toilet.
    I can show what evidence we have but they can't yet I'm the loon.

    I absolutely believe masks have their place just not in the way we've mandated for them.

    I'll try you seen as you went to great lengths to dismiss my fact based opinion, how many hospitalisations have we prevented since masks were made mandatory outside of public transport?

    DM , while not a pro masker , as you say, I still agree with the directive on wearing them , as it is to protect others and I hope others then will wear to protect me and mine.
    We have discussed all the reasons over and over again , but you are not for changing, as am I :D
    So its a pointless excercise really , but by all means you carry on ..


  • #8687
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,965 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Based on the epidemiological date of case data here the second “surge” is very much plateaued as the rate of increase has flatlined. Fig 1b in the below link
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_08092020%20-%20Website.pdf

    And as I said it has been controlled by restrictions and test and trace .


  • #8688
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Sconsey wrote: »
    Well because it I assume you would breaking the law? do you have a problem with being punished for breaking laws?

    Also, so much BS from you in such a small post:
    -I never said anyting about you being jailed, you made that up
    -No one says you should wear a mask over distancing, do both where appropriate

    You accept the the law without question or looking at the evidence to back up such a law. Not wearing a mask getting the Sunday paper is punishable with 6mts in Jail. Are you insane?
    There's no BS about it, that's the law.

    Will you accept that if I can distance the need for a mask is not required especially when I'm not sick? It's a fair question.


  • #8689
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    RIP the four that died, I don't want to use their deaths to further an agenda but the virus is still dangerous, stay safe and remember to follow the guidelines to keep loved ones safe too


  • #8690
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sconsey wrote: »
    Thats all just misdirection not an answer...how is a mask stopping you getting on with things?
    It's an opinion or belief, like someone believing that masks will save the world, neither of which is true.


  • #8691
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Based on the epidemiological date of case data here the second “surge” is very much plateaued as the rate of increase has flatlined. Fig 1b in the below link
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_08092020%20-%20Website.pdf

    according to the HSE, the spread is mainly down to young people under 45.
    look at the deaths from covid in that age group since March 1st.
    12 altogether in over 6 months and we don't know if they maybe had cystic fibrosis or underlying conditions at that.

    Im not having a go, I actually think that's a great link you've put up so thanks.
    makes for interesting reading


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  • #8692
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    RIP the four that died, I don't want to use their deaths to further an agenda but the virus is still dangerous, stay safe and remember to follow the guidelines to keep loved ones safe too
    It's not officially confirmed yet.


  • #8693
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    DM , while not a pro masker , as you say, I still agree with the directive on wearing them , as it is to protect others and I hope others then will wear to protect me and mine.
    We have discussed all the reasons over and over again , but you are not for changing, as am I :D
    So its a pointless excercise really , but by all means you carry on ..

    Here a good exercise to do ,

    If your on Facebook or Instagram go on your feed i'm sure you'll notice its the same people pedalling the anti mask conspiracy nonsense ,

    Then ask yourself would I like to be know to socialise with any of these people in a public setting , I can bet you the answer is F*ck no,


  • #8694
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You accept the the law without question or looking at the evidence to back up such a law. Not wearing a mask getting the Sunday paper is punishable with 6mts in Jail. Are you insane?
    There's no BS about it, that's the law.

    Will you accept that if I can distance the need for a mask is not required especially when I'm not sick? It's a fair question.

    There is a new masks thread open, I see you are banned from posting in it? Not sure why but I wonder is it because you keep jumping all over the shop...the question was how do masks prevent you from getting on with things as you stated. You are now juming all over the place asking random questions that have nothing to do with the original question.

    I'm done pandering to your constant deflection of answering the question you were asked. I regret even asking the original question now that I see how you use your posts to randomly throw out unrelated questions. It reminds me of the crazy-cat-lady in the Simpsons.


  • #8695
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You accept the the law without question or looking at the evidence to back up such a law. Not wearing a mask getting the Sunday paper is punishable with 6mts in Jail. Are you insane?
    There's no BS about it, that's the law.
    Will you accept that if I can distance the need for a mask is not required especially when I'm not sick? It's a fair question.

    Lots of offences are punishable with "up to 6 months" in jail or a fine.

    You don't know if you are sick - well you could be pre-symptomatic or asyptomatic contagious. Presymptomatic spread was cited by the CDC as one of the reason for changing their guidance on wearing masks as a barrier.

    Distancing is not something you can guarantee to do in an enclosed public place, it's not something solely under your control.

    Distancing is not enough if droplets haven't dispersed.

    See the masks thread for more:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058111744

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #8696
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Here a good exercise to do ,

    If your on Facebook or Instagram go on your feed i'm sure you'll notice its the same people pedalling the anti mask conspiracy nonsense ,

    Then ask yourself would I like to be know to socialise with any of these people in a public setting , I can bet you the answer is F*ck no,

    Aha.... The origins of the Chinese Social Credit System .... sure it’ll be a great future for our kids in our dystopian communist nightmare (or am I a conspiracy theorist ?)


  • #8697
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    And as I said it has been controlled by restrictions and test and trace .

    Maybe being the slowest in Europe to open up won't pan out to be a bad idea. We were starting from an extremely low starting point as we opened up slowly. Of course the economy suffers, but even without restrictions, people are not willing to just go out and spend as the economy opens up as much as was thought.


  • #8698
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Maybe being the slowest in Europe to open up won't pan out to be a bad idea. We were starting from an extremely low starting point as we opened up slowly. Of course the economy suffers, but even without restrictions, people are not willing to just go out and spend as the economy opens up as much as was thought.
    When the CMO encourages you to treat everyone you meet as having the virus it's not a huge surprise.


  • #8699
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    iguana wrote: »
    We also have new data showing that community spread was happening in the UK in late December. It took until March for the hospitals to come under pressure. For at least 10 weeks the virus was spreading and we didn't have a clue. It took at least that long for the cases in hospitals to become an issue. All that's happening now is that we are seeing (some) of what we didn't see in winter/early spring. The virus spreading slowly, mainly asymptomatically/mildly with very few cases leading to hospitalisations. If we don't notice or take action to prevent the spread, until hospital numbers are an issue, it will be too late to prevent a bigger problem.

    Same pattern also observed in Florida. Started with the "casedemic" (vomit at term): high case numbers, low numbers hospitalisations and deaths. Low hospitalisations and deaths gave way to complacency and now they're up **** creek.


  • #8700
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://t.co/4LwfauNeop?amp=1

    Ivor Cummins casedemic update.

    Not sure if he is right, but the fear in irish media is unrelenting.

    Sure switch it off but it is the narrative of society if this is all we are all being told.

    Maybe the worst is over and some people who would die with colds/flu this year anyway will die of covid.

    Not say in its right, but worth considering...

    Nothing wrong with reading around the subject.


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  • #8701
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://t.co/4LwfauNeop?amp=1

    Ivor Cummins casedemic update.

    "Nutritionist lets epidemiologists know the real score".


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