Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

is_that_so · 09-09-2020 10:31AM

wadacrack wrote: »

"People have been talking about a cover-up but we don't know the scale of it. My father could still be here if we'd known about the threat of this horrible virus earlier"

She obviously means that he could have avoided infection if China didn't try cover it up and been aware of the risk much earlier. Given what we know now that the virus does not grow exponentially as quickly as we assumed back in March. In hindsight testing was perfectly set up for its to grow exponentially. The stories about athletes from Europe suffering from symptoms very similar to Covid in September 2019 tell us that the virus is likely to have originated in China in possibly the late summer of 2019. This is not been spoken about much lately but if we had known all this it could have much different. In time hopefully the truth will come out but highly unlikely anything soon.

I think China were caught in a combination of just another flu' and face saving. They were also blindsided by the speed at which it can spread. I wouldn't be so quick to jump on "similar" to COVID as evidence of it being here last autumn. As our early testing showed, in the middle of flu' season people had other things.

sideswipe · 09-09-2020 10:33AM

Idioteque wrote: »

Queue the run on Vitamins d supplements soon ðŸ˜

If people are only hearing about the pros of Vit D now they haven't really been paying attention for the last few months.

is_that_so · 09-09-2020 10:35AM

sideswipe wrote: »

If people are only hearing about the pros of Vit D now they haven't really been paying attention for the last few months.

The past few decades! Better late than never!

wadacrack · 09-09-2020 10:41AM

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1303464129085218816

Stark · 09-09-2020 10:47AM

ixoy wrote: »

Any likelihood they'll scale up testing in Dublin? Having people travel all the way out to Swords seems ridiculous if they're concerned about numbers. Why not re-open Croke Park at least? I assume the GAA wouldn't object.

I thought there was a pop-up testing centre near Croke Park? Handball Alley I've seen mentioned in news articles?

There's definitely a pop-up centre in Dolphin's Barn anyway.

caveat emptor · 09-09-2020 10:56AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Spreading potential of some patients via breath? :eek::eek:

So...it's everywhere. Not much we can do about it. Wash hands. Live life!

Calm down. No need to panic just take precautions and you should be fine.

I'd be more worried if we take the option to live with it and we are in same situation next year. This is a corona virus, we get the others ever year. That's a distinct possibility if

there is no vaccine
no robust immunity
long term morbidity even with low mortality

No need to panic yet.

US2 · 09-09-2020 10:56AM

Crazy if I can't call into my neighbor for a cup of tea in a tiny rural village because some itinerants 40 miles away won't wash there hands

What Username Guidelines · 09-09-2020 10:57AM

US2 wrote: »

Crazy if I can't call into my neighbor for a cup of tea in a tiny rural village because some itinerants 40 miles away won't wash there hands

Their, they're, it'll all be ok.

caveat emptor · 09-09-2020 11:02AM

Uk strategy clear as mud.
Hope we don't follow it. Complete Joke over there.
You can't have more than 6 people over unless you want to go to an event with 2500.

https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1303629875371298817?s=20

DangerScouse · 09-09-2020 11:10AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Given the knowledge we had back then it's unlikely he was guaranteed to survive as she claims.

I was more stunned by the fact the virus was circulating in the community in January than her approach to the case. I keep hearing experts tell us that it was the end of February early March before it took hold in Europe.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 11:13AM

Latest HPSC data attached with regards to clusters attached for the week up to mignight last Saturday.

As everyone can see 122 clusters reported in private homes, 3 in residential care, 2 in nursing homes & 1 in a hospital setting amongst others.

Private houses quite clearly the big driver here.

There were six new COVID-19 workplace outbreaks notified during week 36: there was one outbreak each in a
• document processing company
• specialist data analysis company
• pharmaceutical plant
• retail pharmacy store
• windows installation/home improvement company
• an energy production plant

s1ippy · 09-09-2020 11:13AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think China were caught in a combination of just another flu' and face saving. They were also blindsided by the speed at which it can spread.

Yeah that's why they killed and disappeared several researchers and suppressed any information coming out about covid at the start of the year.

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1303607840263806977?s=09
Useful graphic from HPSC on what you should be doing if you're currently affected by covid.

paw patrol · 09-09-2020 11:13AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The past few decades! Better late than never!

100% . been on 5000iu a day for 10 years or so

all men should seriously consider it .

US2 · 09-09-2020 11:16AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah that's why they killed and disappeared several researchers and suppressed any information coming out about covid at the start of the year.

https://twitter.com/hpscireland/status/1303607840263806977?s=09
Useful graphic from HPSC on what you should be doing if you're currently affected by covid.

Any evidence that they killed and disappeared people ?

09-09-2020 11:17AM

DangerScouse wrote: »

I was more stunned by the fact the virus was circulating in the community in January than her approach to the case. I keep hearing experts tell us that it was the end of February early March before it took hold in Europe.

There is so much we don't know or what the government are not telling us.

They know a lot more than they tell us. The media love this. Every few days story of some person in their thirties forties nearly died or died of it all to scare people. I guess that's what sells papers. Not "I had covid and I was grand after a few days" which is what I have heard from the few I know that got it.

What Username Guidelines · 09-09-2020 11:18AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Latest HPSC data attached with regards to clusters attached for the week up to mignight last Saturday.

As everyone can see 122 clusters reported in private homes, 3 in residential care, 2 in nursing homes & 1 in a hospital setting amongst others.

Private houses quite clearly the big driver here.

Almost as if a large proportion of the population spend some of their time in a private household.

I don't get the comparison between households and anything else tbh.

Gael23 · 09-09-2020 11:18AM

Oxford vaccine trials have been paused after a participant hospitalised

gmisk · 09-09-2020 11:19AM

US2 wrote: »

Any evidence that they killed and disappeared people ?

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2

Plenty seemingly

patnor1011 · 09-09-2020 11:20AM

is_that_so wrote: »

That a better immune system will help you fight off infections mostly. It's always prudent not to make something into a panacea for all ills. It's still a good position to take but Vitamin D toxicity might progress to bone pain and kidney problems, such as the formation of calcium stones.

Vitamin D toxicity is extremely rare but does occur with extreme doses.
It usually develops over time, since extra vitamin D can build up in the body.
Nearly all vitamin D overdoses result from taking high amounts of vitamin D supplements.
It is almost impossible to get too much vitamin D from sunlight or food.
The safe upper limit of intake is set at 4000 IU/day. Intake in the range of 40,000–100,000 IU/day (10-25 times the recommended upper limit) has been linked with toxicity in humans.
Most of vitamin D I know are nowhere near even upper recommended dose and those called Ultra strength are 10,000 IU so unless you pop like 4-5 a day for few months nothing will happen.

I take 10k IU /day for most of the year apart from summer simply due to our climate. I tend to skip some days if I am spending day outside and it is nice and sunny but generally we do not get enough of sunshine per year to make enough of what we need. Another point worhth to note is that if you use sunblock you are blocking production of vitamin D too.

caveat emptor · 09-09-2020 11:20AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Latest HPSC data attached with regards to clusters attached for the week up to mignight last Saturday.

As everyone can see 122 clusters reported in private homes, 3 in residential care, 2 in nursing homes & 1 in a hospital setting amongst others.

Private houses quite clearly the big driver here.

There were six new COVID-19 workplace outbreaks notified during week 36: there was one outbreak each in a
• document processing company
• specialist data analysis company
• pharmaceutical plant
• retail pharmacy store
• windows installation/home improvement company
• an energy production plant

Thanks for sharing. That's first time I've seen this level of data, interesting to see number of open clusters. Presume that means tracing not complete. . There are currently 12 open "travel" related clusters. I guess some clusters are harder to trace than others. Travel should be relatively simple if public transport not taken. Private houses too.

09-09-2020 11:23AM

DangerScouse wrote: »

I was more stunned by the fact the virus was circulating in the community in January than her approach to the case. I keep hearing experts tell us that it was the end of February early March before it took hold in Europe.

It’s been proven, from post mortems, to have been circulating in the community in the USA in early January. And if circulating there, it’s hard to believe that it was not circulating in Europe. There was allegedly a positive test for December in France according to reports

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 11:27AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for sharing. That's first time I've seen this level of data, interesting to see number of open clusters. Presume that means tracing not complete. . There are currently 12 open "travel" related clusters. I guess some clusters are harder to trace than others. Travel should be relatively simple if public transport not taken. Private houses too.

In terms of open, a cluster is open until they go 28 days without a case so the open ones could be nearly a month old but yeah travel, homes and family you would imagine should be simple enough.

At the start they had said the goal was to get the virus out of community circulation and into homes.

TonyMaloney · 09-09-2020 11:27AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Almost as if a large proportion of the population spend some of their time in a private household.

I don't get the comparison between households and anything else tbh.

They should all be shut down "Foreva"

Wolf359f · 09-09-2020 11:30AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for sharing. That's first time I've seen this level of data, interesting to see number of open clusters. Presume that means tracing not complete. . There are currently 12 open "travel" related clusters. I guess some clusters are harder to trace than others. Travel should be relatively simple if public transport not taken. Private houses too.

They need to be releasing this kind of information daily. You can clearly see private houses are driving the spread and not pubs and restaurants. Maybe that's why try are planning on going ahead with wet pubs being opened.
They made that announcement when they already knew the new figures for yesterday.

On the open clusters, they are only closed after 28 days of no new cases associated to them.

s1ippy · 09-09-2020 11:34AM

US2 wrote: »

Any evidence that they killed and disappeared people ?

Do you own very straightforward Google search if you're in any doubt.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/10/coronavirus-journalist-missing-in-wuhan-as-anger-towards-chinese-authorities-grows

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/li-zehuajournalist-wouldnt-stay-quiet-covid-19-coronavirus

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51486106

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

TonyMaloney · 09-09-2020 11:37AM

Spain seems to be on the brink of its next disaster.

Hard to shake the feeling that we're on a similar trajectory.

Madrid hospitals feel the strain

The number of hospital beds occupied by coronavirus patients in the Madrid region has doubled in three weeks. If the regional government’s new restrictions on social activities fail to curb contagion, some hospitals in the region may be overwhelmed within weeks, experts warn.

On August 20, the first day that the central Health Ministry published figures on hospital occupancy, coronavirus patients made up 9.4% of admissions. On September 8, that figure was 19%. The spike in the number of Covid-19 patients in intensive care units (ICUs) has been even more significant, rising from 126 to 288. This rise is above the average in Spain, where hospital occupancy has increased from 4.3% to 7.4%, and the number of ICU patients has gone from 522 to 1,051, according to the Health Ministry report from Monday.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-09-09/spain-reports-nearly-9000-new-coronavirus-cases.html

bb1234567 · 09-09-2020 11:45AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

There are far worse killers of old people than Covid unfortunately.

Not true really. It is an exteme risk to the over 70 group.
1 in every 175 peple in Bergamo died in March and April this year, as we can see from Italian death stats almost all deaths in the country were over 60. So that is actually a ridiculously large proportion of the elderly population of the city that perished in a very short time

About 30% of Bergamo's population is over 60, about 330,000 people. 0.56% of the city population died - about 6100 deaths.
95% of Italian COVID deaths are over 60.

Which means of the 330,000 seniors in Bergamo province, 5800 died. Almost 1 in every 50 older citizens.

theballz · 09-09-2020 11:54AM

Leo fairly spilled the beans on the governments thoughts on how to deal with the issues in Dublin. Didn't sound too bad for me, glad they are taking the economy into consideration and keeping the country alive via the capital.

iguana · 09-09-2020 11:57AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Given the knowledge we had back then it's unlikely he was guaranteed to survive as she claims.

The bigger story there is the absolute confirmation that the virus was circulating in the UK in December.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 11:59AM

A highly inaccurate article after appearing on the independent website.

They're using HPSC data that show the totals since covid began and saying its the current situation. Stating 3 children in ICU and 45 children in hosptial currently. Its not difficult data to read as it states cumulative on it.

The child ICU stats have had an additional 1 added since last week as per HPSC data.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/three-children-with-covid-19-are-being-treated-in-intensive-care-39516866.html

EDIT: Independent article now updated, can only imagine the reaction if it had of been left the way it was, they were saying 45 kids were currently in hospital

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