Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

tigger123 · 09-09-2020 07:34AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Doesn't it say a lot about Ireland that in a few weeks I'll be able to go for a pint with the lads but still won't be able to go to a scan with my pregnant wife?

If only other parts of society had a lobbying group as strong as the Irish Vintners Association.

robbiezero · 09-09-2020 07:34AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

So if you're 2m away from everyone else you can stay as long as you like but other than that your out the door in 105 mins

Could be an issue for small pubs and no way could i see them chucking out a 'regular'

I have yet to see any chucking out for being over time or any time limits in the Covid meal pubs I have been in. I imagine it is also unlikely when drinking pubs open.

dundalkfc10 · 09-09-2020 07:36AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Doesn't it say a lot about Ireland that in a few weeks I'll be able to go for a pint with the lads but still won't be able to go to a scan with my pregnant wife?

Or confirmed by Leo you wont be able to go to an outdoor sporting event. Pints are safer

robbiezero · 09-09-2020 07:42AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Doesn't it say a lot about Ireland that in a few weeks I'll be able to go for a pint with the lads but still won't be able to go to a scan with my pregnant wife?

You can go for a pint with the lads now, or a meal, or have a drink with them in your house, or go to the cinema with them, or the theatre, museums, church etc.
Almost anything bar an outside match.

Dempo1 · 09-09-2020 07:44AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The date is set, the only caveat they have is if local restrictions anywhere mean they can't open, this was said yesterday. This is true for now and going forward.

George Lee... enough said the man has been full on panic since day 1. Fergal Bowers much more calm and measured in his reporting

What number are we on for dates set?, if I recall at least 3. As for George Lee, fair enough you might not approve but he quoted clearly factual numbers, Fergal Bowers seems like a nice chap but his reporting somewhat laboured

Dempo1 · 09-09-2020 07:47AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Or confirmed by Leo you wont be able to go to an outdoor sporting event. Pints are safer

Anything confirmed by Leo usually ends up being the opposite of fact

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 07:52AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

What number are we on for dates set?, if I recall at least 3. As for George Lee, fair enough you might not approve but he quoted clearly factual numbers, Fergal Bowers seems like a nice chap but his reporting somewhat laboured

The last 3 were indicative dates, this has been set, guidelines issued and they've been told yes you can open on this date subject to the local situation. A hell of alot different from the 3 previous dates when it was we'll decide closer the time. That decision was taken yesterday

Well when the vast majority of cases reported yesterday aren't from yesterday I'd rather Fergal explaining it as he did yesterday evening than having Geroge Lee go into lockdown mode again.

Dempo1 · 09-09-2020 07:57AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The last 3 were indicative dates, this has been set, guidelines issued and they've been told yes you can open on this date subject to the local situation. A hell of alot different from the 3 previous dates.

Well when the vast majority of cases reported yesterday aren't from yesterday I'd rather Fergal explaining it as he did yesterday evening than having Geroge Lee go into lockdown mode again.

Fair points, I just get a sense it's going to be another "Maybe, Maybe Not", Lee to be also fair didn't mention lockdown once, he was only trying to explain l patterns and breakdown the numbers, I felt he was a lot clearer than most medical experts, just a humble opinion mind you.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 08:00AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Fair points, I just get a sense it's going to be another "Maybe, Maybe Not", Lee to be also fair didn't mention lockdown once, he was only trying to explain l patterns and breakdown the numbers, I felt he was a lot clearer than most medical experts, just a humble opinion mind you.

I can see why people would be skeptical alright but its political near impossible now to turn back.

hmmm · 09-09-2020 08:02AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Leo on Morning Ireland just said he's much more confident rural pubs will be open on 21st than Dublin pubs.

You have to feel sorry for any Dublin publican hearing that, less than 24 hours after been given a date to re-open.

I don't know why the government keeps announcing these dates knowing full well that it's 50/50 at best.

They need to start with telling publicans what the criteria are which would allow them to start thinking about reopening, and then build that into some sort of tentative gradual reopening plans.

A plan that says something like "If cases are less than x per hundred thousand in a county for a period of 30 days, we will allow a limited reopening (the following rules apply)....."

weldoninhio · 09-09-2020 08:05AM

Another thing they should be doing is breaking the numbers down into the amount getting sick with Covid. Cases means nothing. If 200 swabs came back positive in Dublin, but only 50 people had an actual illness, we should be told. Probably wouldn’t suit the deadly virus back story though.

09-09-2020 08:10AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The last 3 were indicative dates, this has been set, guidelines issued and they've been told yes you can open on this date subject to the local situation. A hell of alot different from the 3 previous dates when it was we'll decide closer the time. That decision was taken yesterday

Well when the vast majority of cases reported yesterday aren't from yesterday I'd rather Fergal explaining it as he did yesterday evening than having Geroge Lee go into lockdown mode again.

I'll believe it on the 21st

copeyhagen · 09-09-2020 08:14AM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't know why the government keeps announcing these dates knowing full well that it's 50/50 at best.

They need to start with telling publicans what the criteria are which would allow them to start thinking about reopening, and then build that into some sort of tentative gradual reopening plans.

A plan that says something like "If cases are less than x per hundred thousand in a county for a period of 30 days, we will allow a limited reopening (the following rules apply)....."

No other European Country had such ****e to put up with for re-opening the pubs.

robbiezero · 09-09-2020 08:18AM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't know why the government keeps announcing these dates knowing full well that it's 50/50 at best.

They need to start with telling publicans what the criteria are which would allow them to start thinking about reopening, and then build that into some sort of tentative gradual reopening plans.

A plan that says something like "If cases are less than x per hundred thousand in a county for a period of 30 days, we will allow a limited reopening (the following rules apply)....."

They did.
If Covid meal pubs and restaurants in the area are open for business on 21st, then so are drinking pubs.
Seems fairly clear to me.

robbiezero · 09-09-2020 08:20AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I can see why people would be skeptical alright but its political near impossible now to turn back.

Agreed. It would be farcical mis-communication to change the criteria now.
They have backed themselves into a corner on this one and I reckon its deliberate in order to give some clarity.

dundalkfc10 · 09-09-2020 08:54AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Agreed. It would be farcical mis-communication to change the criteria now.
They have backed themselves into a corner on this one and I reckon its deliberate in order to give some clarity.

This Govt dont do clarity. The 2 main lads MM and LV don't like each other with LV doing all he can to make MM look bad while Ryan may as well be smoking Green than working for the Greens.

09-09-2020 09:15AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Another thing they should be doing is breaking the numbers down into the amount getting sick with Covid. Cases means nothing. If 200 swabs came back positive in Dublin, but only 50 people had an actual illness, we should be told. Probably wouldn’t suit the deadly virus back story though.

Asymptomatic covid is as important as folk can still spread it to someone it may be deadly to.

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 09:41AM

NPHET recommended that there also be no live music and the volume on TVs be kept low.

Haven't seen any of this in the guidance so not sure if it was adopted

munchkin_utd · 09-09-2020 09:46AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET recommended that there also be no live music and the volume on TVs be kept low.

Haven't seen any of this in the guidance so not sure if it was adopted

thats really good advice.

pity NPHET (the lads on 6 figure salaries for life) hadnt the idea of coming up with solutions to keep people (without jobs for life) in jobs sooner - rather than just banning everything .

dundalkfc10 · 09-09-2020 09:49AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET recommended that there also be no live music and the volume on TVs be kept low.

Haven't seen any of this in the guidance so not sure if it was adopted

Never knew them shouting on tele could spread the vitus around the room you watch it in

weldoninhio · 09-09-2020 09:51AM

Augeo wrote: »

Asymptomatic covid is as important as folk can still spread it to someone it may be deadly to.

Of course, but it would take the sheer panic/fear factor out of some people who seem to think Covid is a death sentence.

weldoninhio · 09-09-2020 09:54AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET recommended that there also be no live music and the volume on TVs be kept low.

Haven't seen any of this in the guidance so not sure if it was adopted

I’m beginning to think NPHET think that Covid is like a gremlin. Comes out around midnight so close at 11:30, scared by substantial meals, loud tv piques it’s interest.

Are they getting mixed up with the Craggy Island beast??

munchkin_utd · 09-09-2020 09:57AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Never knew them shouting on tele could spread the vitus around the room you watch it in

not sure what you mean, but in case its not obvious, the problem with loud pubs is that people end up a ) shouting and b ) moving closer to be heard above the racket - and with air transmitted diseases closeness and large volumes of air emmitted (i.e. when shouting) are not good things .

If volumes are kept low though, then people dont need to be so close, or shout.

s1ippy · 09-09-2020 09:59AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Are they getting mixed up with the Craggy Island beast??

It's got hooks so it can latch on to you! It has a tremendous fear of sanitizer.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET recommended that there also be no live music and the volume on TVs be kept low.

Haven't seen any of this in the guidance so not sure if it was adopted

I know a good few people who have done live music over the past weekend. One played piano lounge music, one was a dj set, another blues guitar band with no singer. I would have really liked to go and just hear random live music tbh but I couldn't really chance it because they were fairly crowded venues, possibly louder than advisable (with people talking at increased volumes) and I'm high risk. I'm lucky though because I've been able to have people over to jam with throughout this. It's just not the same as strolling into a gig.

Here is that chap who was in the pub with his alarm clock making everyone who was fawning over him look like twats. Legend.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/how-am-i-famous-i-brought-the-alarm-clock-so-id-get-home-in-time-for-the-news-meet-the-pensioner-in-viral-pub-photo-39516211.html

weldoninhio · 09-09-2020 10:01AM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

not sure what you mean, but in case its not obvious, the problem with loud pubs is that people end up a ) shouting and b ) moving closer to be heard above the racket - and with air transmitted diseases closeness and large volumes of air emmitted (i.e. when shouting) are not good things .

If volumes are kept low though, then people dont need to be so close, or shout.

Except when someone else is talking and they can’t hear, so they shout at them to shut up and it turns into a shouting match.

09-09-2020 12:00PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course, but it would take the sheer panic/fear factor out of some people who seem to think Covid is a death sentence.

It's not really workable though

Some folk being tested are referred for a test as they've symptoms....... others are called for a test as they are close contacts.
Approx 2% are Covid positive.
To publicise the info you mention would require all the positives to be examined (perhaps over the phone) to see what symptoms they have .......... given they all have tested positive for Covid what's the point in finding out what % are actually suffering from symptoms?
I don't see the reward for the further endeavour to be honest....... we all know some with Covid have no symptoms,......... that's why we are all wearing masks. Those with symptoms shouldn't be out and about.

If there's 1000 positive cases this week I'm sure the % with and without symptoms is what it usually is...... up to 40% I believe is the approx number bandied about.

I don't think most think it's a death sentance, as ever most sensible folk realise what we are trying to do it to minimise the spread so the health service can cope with Covid19 and get back to serving those with other ailments etc that are in need.

HBC08 · 09-09-2020 12:28PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Seems to me this Reopening on the 21st September is fast turning into "A maybe, Maybe not" scenario if we take a government press release after the cabinets decision. George Lee gave a sobering, brutal, clinical and Factual breakdown of the numbers after 307 new cases yesterday. Its striking that far more stringent measures have been taken in the past with numbers a 3rd of what they were yesterday. Hopefully we're long past Total lockdowns but I sense a UTURN on pubs reopening, I may be wrong but I didn't sense much of a full commitment yesterday.

I cant take George Lee seriously ever since storm Jorge.
I heard him and Joe Duffy get a 2 for 1 discount when they buy their misery nipple clamps.

PTH2009 · 09-09-2020 01:02PM

easier to go into a pub alone than a restaurant/food pub

If NPHET decide 'no lads you can't open the wet pubs, numbers are too high and will only get higher. We advise 3 more weeks infact don't open them til 2021. Cant be having Christmas celebrations' and then the government take that advice.

There would be war and rightly so

ShooterSF · 09-09-2020 01:08PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hi I’d like to book a table for 4.

Ok, I’ve a space here from 7-9 for 4. If there’s space after 9 you’ll be welcome to stay on, if not unfortunately you’ll have to leave.

Even in that scenario all I'm guaranteed is 2 hours. Maybe I book somewhere else at 9 to be certain if theres somewhere near by and you as a publican go from, in the worst case, having say 6 x 6 tables in a space to 3 x 3 tables or 25% of your capacity.
I might be wrong, I'm just saying I've been in the industry half my life and I don't see how the 2m scenario will work out better anywhere when you are given 1m with a time limit as an option instead...

weldoninhio · 09-09-2020 01:14PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Even in that scenario all I'm guaranteed is 2 hours. Maybe I book somewhere else at 9 to be certain if theres somewhere near by and you as a publican go from, in the worst case, having say 6 x 6 tables in a space to 3 x 3 tables or 25% of your capacity.
I might be wrong, I'm just saying I've been in the industry half my life and I don't see how the 2m scenario will work out better anywhere when you are given 1m with a time limit as an option instead...

Would depend on the place. I know my mate has booked a place for his birthday next week for us. They said we’ve the table from 5-9, (we may have to give a second contact name at 7) and might have to move out to the terrace after that until closing.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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