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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #8492
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Reintroduction of restrictions for Dublin on the way judging by this mornings Independent.

    Usually they are the first to leak news and manage expectations.

    Presumably completely unenforceable given they tried to give Gardai powers to break up house parties a few weeks ago and couldn't.


  • #8493
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Presumably completely unenforceable given they tried to give Gardai powers to break up house parties a few weeks ago and couldn't.

    Yup completely, you'd be hoping for buy in from the public.
    If they're looking at the Glasgow model its simply don't visit other people's houses.

    You can still meet up outdoors and in restaurants/pubs with all the other rules that are in place for those settings


  • #8494
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    majcos wrote: »
    Covid deaths in the elderly have been very grim. A phone call rather than a sit down conversation with multiple family members to discuss resuscitation status and/or inform a family member that the end is near. No family to hold their hand or only a very brief visit from immediate next of kin covered head to toe in plastic. No last visits from other family members. May not have seen loved one for many weeks beforehand due to visiting restrictions in nursing home and hospitals. Nursing staff and healthcare assistants doing their best but not even they are able to provide as much comfort as usual due to PPE, time restrictions, workload, etc. Limits on pastoral care for patients and families.

    The dying process due to other causes during the pandemic has been affected too but there was marginally more flexibility for immediate family members and staff to provide a little bit more comfort.

    Is that still the case? If one of my parents was dying with Covid, I'd certainly be visiting and providing whatever comfort I could.


  • #8495
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Restrict Dublin to keep virus from spreading across rest of country.

    Keep schools open low risk and children have suffered enough- six months off school.

    Restaurants takeaway only.

    No pubs open.

    Nobody in your house other your own family.

    Wait until numbers drop.


    Vaccine comes. Go back to normal.

    Simple.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Children don't spread. Schools should be open it helps children's learning and they have been closed for 6 months.

    .....

    I'm sorry woody79. While I want schools to remain open for the aforementioned reasons too you can't say they don't spread it. The best you can say is we don't know.

    Germany has been open before us and because it tends to be milder in children and the incubation period, it takes time for clusters to emerge but emerge they have.

    https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1303588821376757761?s=20


  • #8496
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Presumably completely unenforceable given they tried to give Gardai powers to break up house parties a few weeks ago and couldn't.

    They didnt try to give the Gardai powers, they lost their bottle politically and never even gave it full consideration.

    That's not to say that the powers, if introduced, wouldn't be challenged, but it never even got that far.


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  • #8497
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1303595128200847360?s=19


  • #8498
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    il gatto wrote: »
    We did flatten the curve. And now we’re undoing that work rapidly. We’re going to open primary, secondary and third level education and pubs all in the same month. Without waiting to see what effect each one has on case levels.
    At 200-300 a day, it could spread like wildfire in the next 2 months. We pride ourselves on being one of the wealthiest countries in the world and yet apparently we cannot subsidise one industry, staffed by mainly low paid workers, to stay shut for the greater good.
    There’s lots of landlords agitating for reopening. There’s not so many bar staff, glass collectors etc. because they’re going to have to come face to face with drunk customers for rock bottom pay.
    Per capita, today we had more cases than the UK who already have pubs open and are bringing in new restrictions and local lock downs. We’re so busy patting ourselves on the back for our initial response that I fear we’ve taken our eye off the ball.

    I assume the evidence is that restaurants and covid meal pubs have not been a significant source of clusters and therefore opening drinking pubs on the same basis is also not expected to be a significant source of clusters.


  • #8499
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,502 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    1060 confirmed cases in the past 7 days.

    On the current rate of growth.

    300-350 case a day by the end of September start of October.

    Between 6 - 12 hospitalizations a day if it stays within the current profile.

    Pretty manageable if it stays around that or below. Hard to do that though.


  • #8500
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Lads still fapping away to Covid porn. Sad.

    You mean fopping?

    Fopped last night and the night before
    I had to fopp outside and then I went indoors
    Fopped so hard, I made the people warm
    They stood back and gave me all the floor


  • #8501
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,502 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1303595128200847360?s=19

    When did Leo join Labour?

    :confused:


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  • #8502
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Independent reporting that the Dublin outbreaks are concentrated in Dublin West and Dublin South West. They are mostly in family or home settings.

    Restaurants, public transport, cinemas, shops never seem responsible but are the default areas for reactions on this thread.


  • #8503
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Definite lack of leadership atm. Seems to be a conflict of interest with NPHET and Politician. It now seems that even the UK are taing the virus more seriously than Ireland at the moment or have some sort of plan. We seem to be just hoping for the best approach at the minute which could lead to harsher restrictions when our hospitals suddenly are overwhelmed.

    Green and Red zones I think would be a good approach. Green zones obviously with no restrictions. Gives regions incentive to suppress the virus. It would seem the very strict approach a fe weeks ago. Lockdown in Kildare, Laois, Offaly after some clusters and outdoor sports being unfairly hit has backfired and we have gone totally in the other direction due to political pressure. In a few weeks its likely to change.


  • #8504
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Restaurants, public transport, cinemas, shops never seem responsible but are the default areas for reactions on this thread.

    Because it's easy to try and control business. Hard too face the facts we can't control teenagers and young adults.


  • #8505
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    tigger123 wrote: »
    They didnt try to give the Gardai powers, they lost their bottle politically and never even gave it full consideration.

    That's not to say that the powers, if introduced, wouldn't be challenged, but it never even got that far.

    It's not that they lost their bottle, I'd say the opposite is true as they stood up against the Minister for Health's ridiculous and unconstitutional plan to allow Gardaí enter your home without a warrant.


  • #8506
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    The government has a very difficult balancing act (Leo's comments above are worth thinking about), and "simple common sense" solutions are rarely so simple in reality. But I do think the messaging makes no sense at the moment - how can we be talking about reopening pubs, while at the same time saying the situation in Dublin and Limerick is serious and we all need to cut back on contacts. I'm not saying pubs shouldn't reopen, but the public (myself included) has to be confused about what exactly the government is trying to say and what it is asking us to do.


  • #8507
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government has a very difficult balancing act (Leo's comments above are worth thinking about), and "simple common sense" solutions are rarely so simple in reality. But I do think the messaging makes no sense at the moment - how can we be talking about reopening pubs, while at the same time saying the situation in Dublin and Limerick is serious and we all need to cut back on contacts. I'm not saying pubs shouldn't reopen, but the public (myself included) has to be confused about what exactly the government is trying to say and what it is asking us to do.

    Don't worry they're launching an advertising campaign for Dublin, that should explain everything.....


  • #8508
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    What's with the increase in Dublin cases? Is there more clusters at nursing homes or something else? I wonder is there any connections to the idiotic behaviour we saw in recent times? Like there was an anti mask and anti lockdown rally - crowds with no masks. They were outside so I suspect maybe that wasn't an issue. Maybe before and after and mode of transport to the protest might have been an issue.
    Any connections to the Berlin bar?

    NPHET are saying clusters around house parties. What will it take for people to cop on and avoid crowds?


  • #8509
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    owlbethere wrote: »
    What's with the increase in Dublin cases? Is there more clusters at nursing homes or something else? I wonder is there any connections to the idiotic behaviour we saw in recent times? Like there was an anti mask and anti lockdown rally - crowds with no masks. They were outside so I suspect maybe that wasn't an issue. Maybe before and after and mode of transport to the protest might have been an issue.
    Any connections to the Berlin bar?

    NPHET are saying clusters around house parties. What will it take for people to cop on and avoid crowds?

    Independent and Irish times reporting most Dublin cases are occuring in Dublin west and south west and the vast majority occuring the home or family settings. Seems as if households mixing in houses is being singled out as the issue here and not 1 event


  • #8510
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Anyone know where Stephen Donnelly is hiding?

    Seems to be hidden away after his u turns and contradictions last week.

    Another useless minister.

    Even MM.

    Only one I've heard is Simon Harris. Seems they put him out there as he wa sthe only one at the start of the pandemic to be brave enough to face the public.

    Seems noone is guiding us at the moment.


  • #8511
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    owlbethere wrote: »
    What's with the increase in Dublin cases? Is there more clusters at nursing homes or something else? I wonder is there any connections to the idiotic behaviour we saw in recent times? Like there was an anti mask and anti lockdown rally - crowds with no masks. They were outside so I suspect maybe that wasn't an issue. Maybe before and after and mode of transport to the protest might have been an issue.
    Any connections to the Berlin bar?

    NPHET are saying clusters around house parties. What will it take for people to cop on and avoid crowds?

    Have a look at the liberal facebook you'll see the problem.


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  • #8512
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Dublin cases are occuring in Dublin west and south west


    Would that be Blanchardstown and Tallaght/Lucan so?


  • #8513
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    pc7 wrote: »
    Would that be Blanchardstown and Tallaght/Lucan so?

    Yeah along with Clondalkin name checked last week by the CMO when he was asked for areas.

    Castleknock has also been mentioned


  • #8514
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Independent and Irish times reporting most Dublin cases are occuring in Dublin west and south west and the vast majority occuring the home or family settings. Seems as if households mixing in houses is being singled out as the issue here and not 1 event

    Are the authorities doing mass testing of households in the area to find all of these cases or what's happening? Are people being tested due to being a close contact of a confirmed case? There's a lot of close contacts.


  • #8515
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Some really strange decisions.
    When we had few cases in the summer months no pubs were fully open were people could have drank outside in good weather.

    Now after having lockdown & cases rising pubs are opening in the winter months where transmission will probably be greater. No people allowed at sports outside where transmission in 19 times less likely because people will meet afterwards. While thousands are in close contact at schools.

    No restrictions in any part of Dublin despite a rise in cases similar to Laois,Offaly & Kildare.

    The goverment's plan seems to be to just hope for the best.


  • #8516
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Is the government's 9-month strategy paper due Monday? I believe that will cover potential restriction ideas in local areas. Could be they're waiting on that publication before doing anything?


  • #8517
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    MD1990 wrote: »

    No restrictions in any part of Dublin despite a rise in cases similar to Laois,Offaly & Kildare.

    It's not quite the same situation, LOK restrictions were to prevent the meat plant clusters from spreading into the community. Dublin cases seem to be households in many areas rather than larger clusters. So it _might_ make sense to limit interactions between households, but whether that would actually achieve anything is another matter.


  • #8518
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ixoy wrote: »
    Is the government's 9-month strategy paper due Monday? I believe that will cover potential restriction ideas in local areas. Could be they're waiting on that publication before doing anything?

    The special Covid 19 committee meeting today will probably have some influence...

    https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1303435503950331911?s=20


  • #8519
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1303342826596466688?s=20


  • #8520
    seanb85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1303342826596466688?s=20

    He's right, we should increase capacity, but how?


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  • #8521
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ixoy wrote: »
    Is the government's 9-month strategy paper due Monday? I believe that will cover potential restriction ideas in local areas. Could be they're waiting on that publication before doing anything?

    Yeah rumour around that some sort of warning level system, the level of an area gives the restrictions for that area etc.

    If reports this morning are accurate they won't be repeating the Kildare, Laois & Offaly restrictions in Dublin anyway, not seen as feasible. They'll look towards Glasgow and try and stop households mixing in home settings


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