Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

s1ippy · 09-09-2020 01:28AM

il gatto wrote: »

We did flatten the curve. And now we’re undoing that work rapidly. We’re going to open primary, secondary and third level education and pubs all in the same month. Without waiting to see what effect each one has on case levels.
At 200-300 a day, it could spread like wildfire in the next 2 months. We pride ourselves on being one of the wealthiest countries in the world and yet apparently we cannot subsidise one industry, staffed by mainly low paid workers, to stay shut for the greater good.
There’s lots of landlords agitating for reopening. There’s not so many bar staff, glass collectors etc. because they’re going to have to come face to face with drunk customers for rock bottom pay.
Per capita, today we had more cases than the UK who already have pubs open and are bringing in new restrictions and local lock downs. We’re so busy patting ourselves on the back for our initial response that I fear we’ve taken our eye off the ball.

Well said.

fritzelly · 09-09-2020 01:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hear Dr Ronan Glynn giving out some slightly contradictory-sounding messages. On one hand he has said words to the effect that people must not lick themselves away socialise to maintain their mental health, and on the other hand, to keep socialisation to a minimum. I get what he means, ie strike a bit of a balance and maintain some face-to-face contact, but it does sometimes come across that he is speaking from two sides of his mouth as he has said these things alternately.

Showing your true nature now

smellyoldboot · 09-09-2020 01:32AM

For me, there is a very palpable sense that in just a few short months with FF back at the helm, we have regressed massively socially and ethically. I never liked Leo or would never vote FG but you know what? The leader you have feeds into the general malaise and attitude of the populace. And with Monty "hands" Burns in front we are well and truly fcuked.

Jaded Walker · 09-09-2020 01:37AM

rusty cole wrote: »

I'd say sudden adult death syndrome is down 99% now because anyone who dies from it but has asymptomatic covid, will be down as a covid death too!

Let's just make up stuff why don't we!

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 01:45AM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

For me, there is a very palpable sense that in just a few short months with FF back at the helm, we have regressed massively socially and ethically. I never liked Leo or would never vote FG but you know what? The leader you have feeds into the general malaise and attitude of the populace. And with Monty "hands" Burns in front we are well and truly fcuked.

Monty " hands " Burns

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Haha, smelly .

fritzelly · 09-09-2020 01:46AM

Christ - just after watching Prime Time - they have really dumbed down over the past year
Lead in with lockdown of Dublin and Limerick, then interviews Colm Henry and keeps asking are we going to lockdown Dublin and CH keeps saying no but keeps asking the same question over and over again (think I counted 7 times at least)
Is George Lee writing the questions?

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 01:48AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Christ - just after watching Prime Time - they have really dumbed down over the past year
Lead in with lockdown of Dublin and Limerick, then interviews Colm Henry and keeps asking are we going to lockdown Dublin and CH says no but keeps asking the same question over and over again

They always trot Colm Henry out when things are bad .
He wrinkles his face so nicely when he answers that you would believe whatever he just keeps repeating over and over again even if it's not the answer to the question!

Widdensushi · 09-09-2020 01:49AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Monty " hands " Burns )
Haha, smelly .

Do you work days or nights?

fritzelly · 09-09-2020 01:51AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

They always trot Colm Henry out when things are bad .
He wrinkles his face so nicely when he answers that you would believe whatever he just keeps repeating over and over again even if it's not the answer to the question!

He was answering the question but that new guy just kept asking the same question with a slight twist each time
Gutter journalism by RTE again looking for an headline
If I was him I would tell him to shut up and stop asking me the same question and walk out

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 01:53AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Do you work days or nights?

Days but not every day .
My sleep pattern is awful .
How about you ?

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 01:54AM

fritzelly wrote: »

He was answering the question but that new guy just kept asking the same question with a slight twist each time
Gutter journalism by RTE again looking for an headline
If I was him I would tell him to shut up and stop asking me the same question and walk out

He's too nice

Widdensushi · 09-09-2020 01:56AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Days but not every day .
My sleep pattern is awful .
How about you ?

Sometimes days, sometimes nights, bad sleeper also

owlbethere · 09-09-2020 02:01AM

majcos wrote: »

Covid deaths in the elderly have been very grim. A phone call rather than a sit down conversation with multiple family members to discuss resuscitation status and/or inform a family member that the end is near. No family to hold their hand or only a very brief visit from immediate next of kin covered head to toe in plastic. No last visits from other family members. May not have seen loved one for many weeks beforehand due to visiting restrictions in nursing home and hospitals. Nursing staff and healthcare assistants doing their best but not even they are able to provide as much comfort as usual due to PPE, time restrictions, workload, etc. Limits on pastoral care for patients and families.

The dying process due to other causes during the pandemic has been affected too but there was marginally more flexibility for immediate family members and staff to provide a little bit more comfort.

My dog had a better end of life (well before covid and 2020).

ChikiChiki · 09-09-2020 04:46AM

Reintroduction of restrictions for Dublin on the way judging by this mornings Independent.

Usually they are the first to leak news and manage expectations.

Polar101 · 09-09-2020 04:56AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Reintroduction of restrictions for Dublin on the way judging by this mornings Independent.

Usually they are the first to leak news and manage expectations.

A ban on visiting other people's homes, according to the Irish Times (for Limerick as well) - unless things stabilise by the weekend.

Make of that what you will, I guess.

Widdensushi · 09-09-2020 05:14AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Reintroduction of restrictions for Dublin on the way judging by this mornings Independent.

Usually they are the first to leak news and manage expectations.

So open the pubs and stop the house parties, there must be alot of cases traced to parties

Wanderer78 · 09-09-2020 06:07AM

Widdensushi wrote:

So open the pubs and stop the house parties, there must be alot of cases traced to parties

Intoxicated people in close proximity, yup, nothing to see here!

patnor1011 · 09-09-2020 06:08AM

Nearly every poster who advocate for new lockdown and tighter restrictions argue that we need to do this "until vaccine is available". Like it is some certain fact set in stone that there will be one or few which will make it all go away.
Vaccine for covid is problematic as we know for some time due to sars and mers - all coronaviruses are tough to crack. Not to mention that any vaccine needs years to develop and test thoroughly. We still did not crack polio after so many years and to "sort out covid" after just a few months looks more like wishful thinking.

This is pretty unsettling and if people just mention this they are immediately labelled as anti-vaxxer but have fun and read the latest news about self-proclaimed planet saviour Bill like this one:
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A new report by the World Health Organization (WHO), a branch of the United Nations (UN), confirms everything we have long been saying about the deadly nature of Bill Gates’ vaccination programs in the Third World.

Entitled, “Circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 – Sudan,” the report outlines how polio vaccines from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation are spreading more polio throughout Africa. Not only that, but these “relief” jabs are killing young black lives in places like Chad and Sudan where outbreaks of the vaccine-induced disease are spreading like wildfire.

Amazingly, the WHO openly admits that the strain of poliovirus currently circulating, known as cVDPV2, is “vaccine-derived.” This clearly indicates that it is being spread by the very same vaccines that Bill Gates claims are helping to “save lives” and “eradicate polio.”

“Sequencing of viruses isolated in Sudan so far reflects that the viruses are related with viruses reported earlier in neighboring Chad from where there were multiple separate introductions into Sudan from Chad,” the report explains.

“There is local circulation in Sudan and continued sharing of transmission with Chad.”

Bill Gates is a virus much worse than COVID-19
As far as we know, this is the first time that an official government body – and the WHO, no less – has used the words “vaccine-induced” to describe how and why polio is still spreading all throughout Third World Africa.

As you may recall from years past, both the mainstream media and health authorities would routinely refer to it as “polio-like illness” so as to avoid implicating chemical jabs as the culprit. But it is now clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that “polio-like illness” is actual polio of the type that exists in the vaccines being mass-distributed by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

“After spending some $16 billion over 30 years to eradicate polio, international health bodies have ‘accidentally’ reintroduced the disease to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and also Iran, as the central Asia region was hit by a virulent strain of polio spawned by the pharmaceutical vaccine,” reports 21st Century Wire.

“Also, in 2019, the government of Ethiopia ordered the destruction of 57,000 vials of type 2 oral polio vaccine (mPOV2) following a similar outbreak of vaccine-induced polio … The same incident has happened in India as well.”

Would you trust COVID-19 vaccines from Bill Gates in light of the polio fiasco? All of this is cause for concern when considering that the same Bill Gates who is killing innocent black lives with polio vaccines now wants these same black lives to be jabbed with vaccines for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19).

Right this moment, the GAVI Vaccine Alliance, another Gates Foundation-funded vaccine group, is testing experimental Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines on young black lives without informed consent. Does this seem legitimate to you, and something you would agree to in the event that it was suddenly thrust on you and your family?

Keep in mind that when we reported in the past about vaccines from Bill Gates causing more disease and death, some people accused us of spreading “conspiracy theories.” Based on that logic, the WHO is also now guilty of spreading conspiracy theories with its new report.

“This is why Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s law firm has filed a lawsuit against Gates for crimes against humanity,” wrote one commenter about the hopeful demise of Bill Gates and his corrupt vaccine empire.

“And why India has also filed a lawsuit against Gates for crimes against humanity, but in India Gates caused the paralysis of over 450,000 babies and children...
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You can dismiss it entirely as "conspiracy" because it does not fit covid-vaccine-life back as before narrative but the report is out there and there is simply too much money to be made from covid vaccine so there will be rush to put one out as soon as possible. It also fit our lazy attitude. Most of the people do not think about changing lifestyle and trying to be healthier they look for some miracle pill or jab solution. Healthy living is far more harder.

ceadaoin. · 09-09-2020 06:28AM

Well the Oxford vaccine trials have been suspended for now because of a severe reaction in one of the participants which needs to be investigated. People who think lockdown until a vaccine is released is a viable plan are delusional. It could be years. If ever.

Wanderer78 · 09-09-2020 06:30AM

ceadaoin. wrote:

Well the Oxford vaccine trials have been suspended for now because of a severe reaction in one of the participants that potentially could be caused by the vaccine. People who think a lockdown until a vaccine is released is a viable plan are delusional.

The war it would create could keep is occupied though

Vicxas · 09-09-2020 06:47AM

Astrazeneca have put a clinical hold on theirs too after a participant suffered severe symptoms.

Apparently these holds are normal.

Edit: I just realised that astrazeneca are working with Oxford so it's the same as what the guys were saying above, not separate

ceadaoin. · 09-09-2020 06:50AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Astrazeneca have put a clinical hold on theirs too after a participant suffered severe symptoms.

Apparently these holds are normal.

Yes, but it just shows how long the process can take. And for good reason. They cant just disregard normal safety protocols.

09-09-2020 06:59AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well the Oxford vaccine trials have been suspended for now because of a severe reaction in one of the participants which needs to be investigated. People who think lockdown until a vaccine is released is a viable plan are delusional. It could be years. If ever.

As it says here, putting a temporary hold on trials is a routine process in the production of any vaccine or medication, until the nature and cause of adverse event can be determined. Any medical condition can happen anybody at any point, and it is very possible that the individual volunteer had a condition unrelated to the vaccine or had a particular Individual circumstance that when combined with the vaccine produced the adverse medical event. They are expected to fully recover.it's not the end of the trial Or production by any means.

https://www.sciencealert.com/coronavirus-setback-after-leading-vaccine-trial-is-put-on-hold-over-safety-concerns

The HorsesMouth · 09-09-2020 07:07AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well the Oxford vaccine trials have been suspended for now because of a severe reaction in one of the participants which needs to be investigated. People who think lockdown until a vaccine is released is a viable plan are delusional. It could be years. If ever.

I do agree with you in that lockdown is not viable regardless of vaccine or not but using this suspension of phase 3 to prove it is a bit silly.
It's totally normal and foreseeable for this to happen..it could literally only be paused for a few days.
The adverse effect in the trial volunteer is almost always nothing to do with the vaccine and just someone who has got very ill with something else.

Mantis Toboggan · 09-09-2020 07:08AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Reintroduction of restrictions for Dublin on the way judging by this mornings Independent.

Usually they are the first to leak news and manage expectations.

Wonder will the opening of the pubs not happen in Dublin? I know half of the pubs in Dublin are already open so they may look to close these also.

partyguinness · 09-09-2020 07:10AM

Lads still fapping away to Covid porn. Sad.

mountgomery burns · 09-09-2020 07:39AM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

And with Monty "hands" Burns in front we are well and truly fcuked.

Hey, leave me out of this!

I voted for Kodos

caveat emptor · 09-09-2020 07:44AM

Very interesting Paper showing super spreading potential of some patients via breath.
Open the windows as frequently as possible if anyone has symptoms.

COVID-19 patients in earlier stages exhaled millions of SARS-CoV-2 per hour

shows SARS-CoV-2 is released directly into the air via breathing by COVID-19 patients
virus in high concentration in breath in early stages of Covid inline with throat swab evidence. (higher viral load early on)
it's sporadic between patients i.e samples from same patient at different times do not the same concentration of virus.
surface contained much less virus on them
the surfaces of mobile phones (n=22) and various handles (n=35) frequently used by COVID-19 patients presented very low probabilities of SARS-CoV- 2 presence (9.0% and 0%, respectively).

some caveats but it's evidence of how super spreading can happen.

Smallish sample size. 14 out of 56 patients (27%) exhaled breath condensate contained virus.
did not study infectivity or transmission probability and other virus releasing activities such as talking and singing, study demonstrates that exhaled breath emission plays an important role in SARS-CoV-2 emission into the air, which could have contributed greatly to the observed airborne cluster infections and the ongoing pandemic.

https://twitter.com/ShellyMBoulder/status/1303370739979104257?s=20

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 07:53AM

Independent reporting that the Dublin outbreaks are concentrated in Dublin West and Dublin South West. They are mostly in family or home settings.

An advertising campaign will be launched in Dublin to urge people to be more cautious and limit their social interactions.

While government sources say that the measures introduced for Kildare, Laois and Offaly couldn't be applied to Dublin.

What is being suggested is similar to what was introduced in Glasgow where visiting others houses would be banned.

robbiezero · 09-09-2020 07:57AM

Arghus wrote: »

Well, not really. They've talked about maybe possibly localised restrictions or county restrictions based on the situation in different parts of the country, but they haven't been specific about what kind of numbers they are talking about. The fairly clear criteria is non existent.

They've even admitted in the last couple of hours that it may not be possible to open pubs everywhere in two weeks based on the "epidemiological situation" - they have as much as said that it mightn't actually happen yet.

If numbers keep rising over the next fortnight I'll be very surprised if all pubs across the country will be open on September 21st as planned.

All I have read or heard, indicates that 21st is set in stone for pubs opening if no local restrictions, thus if no situation in the area that requires a restaurant or "Covid meal" pub to close, then pubs in that area will open.

If its anything other than that, their communication on the matter is utterly farcical which would not altogether be a surprise.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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