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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #7832
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    How do they know the kid is on deaths door, they have no idea they made it up. More scaremongering.
    Yeah it definitely wouldn't suit some people if it were genuine. Personally I'm more worried for the parents involved and their child than seeing how it fits with a narrative and disregard it because it's unpleasant.
    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    There have been paediatric cases in paediatric ICU’s all through this pandemic . Children get sick very quickly and have immature airways . They also recover very quickly
    The youngster, who's under the age of four, is the youngest patient to go into an intensive care unit with the virus since the pandemic began.

    The news was confirmed in a report from the HSPC (Health Protection Surveillance Centre) who were notified of the admission between Wednesday and Saturday last week.

    So unless you regard the HPSC data as unreliable, in which case I literally don't know what to tell you.


  • #7833
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    big syke wrote: »
    Thats not an ICU. Crumlin and Temple Street hospitals are the critical car eunits for kids.

    Most likely a kid in hospital that has been given a test and tested positive.

    Do you think Slippy will listen to this reason or continue the scaremongering?


  • #7834
    PatrickSmithUS
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭PatrickSmithUS


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    "BreastCheck, the national screening programme to detect breast cancer, may not return until October. The screening programme has been paused since March 16 due to the Covid-19 pandemic."


    I just spotted one of these mobile units that seems to be set up and rewady to go here in Letterkenny.



    There's going to be some amount of medical negligence cases to answer if it turns out that scheduled appointments which were cancelled would have allowed for earlier treatment. The real death toll for COVID19 should really include people who didn't get the virus but died due to its impact. If a failure to conduct a procedure constituted negligence, as it does, then the Government may have a case to answer, not the HSE or physicians, if it can be proven that cancelling appointments was unnecessary.


  • #7835
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Very few cases are as a result of any of these places. Closing them would have limited impact.

    But how do you know for sure. Community transmission means the person doesn't know where they contracted it.

    I just gave those as examples as they are situations where people are mixing and socialising with strangers and other members of the community.

    If you limit the number of unnecessary interactions, you limit the spread of the virus.


  • #7836
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    I dont think anyone is campaigning to build a wall around the pale, just that Dublin specific restrictions aren't out of the realm of possibility.

    Closing bars, restaurants, cinemas, enforcing masks on public transport and shops, delaying opening the pubs. All for a few weeks.

    Suggesting that the economy "would not survive" is hyperbole.
    Restrictions are put in place to prevent deaths, so to say that there are just none occurring right now is short sighted.

    Remind me of when we had our last death?


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  • #7837
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is where their advice is targeted almost every day. Glynn did mention 50 contacts for some people at one point a few weeks back. Even if it's half that on average that's a lot of potential spreading.

    Yeah, I would imagine it’s the things going on behind closed doors which aren’t being regulated which are causing the problems. The things that kinda aren’t allowed anyway, I suppose.

    Hairdressers, restaurants, public transport, etc are very compliant and I can’t see much cases coming from them.


  • #7838
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not sure if they're putting 2+2 together here and getting 5.

    Firstly I'd wonder how from the HSE report they can claim a toddler is in ICU unless they have other information. Which they may well do and would make the below redundant but anyway,

    As of last night Tallaght had 5 (Including 1 in CHI Tallaght) cases in hosptial and 1 in ICU.

    There was 1 ICU case in Tallaght on Friday, given the weekend lets suspect this is the same case, CHI Tallaght had 0 cases Friday.

    In ICU numbers CHI Tallaght is not mentioned.

    Also CHI Tallaght only reopened last week but to non seriously ill or injured children. All children requiring critical care go to Crumlin or Temple street, it was mentioned when CHI Tallaght reopened.
    A friend sent me that speculation about it being Tallaght as they've been watching the data in Dublin and that was the only admission that made sense given the figures. I didn't hear that about the kids getting referred but I'll look for that now.


  • #7839
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Yeah it definitely wouldn't suit some people if it were genuine. Personally I'm more worried for the parents involved and their child than seeing how it fits with a narrative and disregard it because it's unpleasant.





    So unless you regard the HPSC data as unreliable, in which case I literally don't know what to tell you.

    You must have missed my respose.

    Tallaght do not have an ICU for kids. Crumlin and Temple Street hospitals are the critical care units for kids.

    Most likely a kid in hospital that has been given a test and tested positive.

    Try use your brain and look into things a bit before blindly posting things and trying to scare people ye?


  • #7840
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    big syke wrote: »
    You must have missed my respose.

    Tallaght do not have an ICU for kids. Crumlin and Temple Street hospitals are the critical care units for kids.

    Most likely a kid in hospital that has been given a test and tested positive.

    Try use your brain and look into things a bit before blindly posting things and trying to scare people ye?

    why send a kid to an ICU with no experience of covid?


  • #7841
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    s1ippy wrote: »
    A friend sent me that speculation about it being Tallaght as they've been watching the data in Dublin and that was the only admission that made sense given the figures. I didn't hear that about the kids getting referred but I'll look for that now.

    Do people really scour the data coming through to find bad news - however false it may be - and then send it to their friends? That is not good for anyone involved’s mental health.


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  • #7842
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    PCros wrote: »
    I'd put money on it that most of the cases are now house gatherings/parties.

    Friend of a friend story here but the friend of a friend contracted it as a close contact of someone as a result of spending a night out with them in a bar a couple of weeks ago.


  • #7843
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    s1ippy wrote: »
    A friend sent me that speculation about it being Tallaght as they've been watching the data in Dublin and that was the only admission that made sense given the figures. I didn't hear that about the kids getting referred but I'll look for that now.

    Yeah no I see where your coming from for sure and like I said my original point could be completely redundant.

    Now HPSC data does show 1 person under the age of 4 being admitted to ICU up to Friday(since covid admissions started), doesn't say where. Maybe HSE aren't going to report CHI Tallaght separately to the adult units ?

    Like i said the person that wrote that article might have a different source and there could well be someone in Tallaght ICU under the age of 4 but that in itself would go against what CHI said when Tallaght was to reopen.

    "We are accelerating some of our original plans to consolidate specific services (in-patient surgery, neurosurgery, day surgery) and to use a city-wide approach across Crumlin, Tallaght and Temple Street for other services, such as, access for medical admissions," CHI said.

    "When it opens at 8am tomorrow, the service will provide a 24/7 emergency care unit, medical inpatients, day case surgery, medicine, x-rays and outpatients."


  • #7844
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Do people really scour the data coming through to find bad news - however false it may be - and then send it to their friends? That is not good for anyone involved’s mental health.

    Unlikely. They scour the data to see the demographics and behaviour of the virus. Then through that they'd observe stuff that may be be considered bad or good news.

    That said, there are probably people who scour the data for less ethical reasons. Shouldn't assume that though until we know otherwise.


  • #7845
    Jaded Walker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭Jaded Walker


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Do people really scour the data coming through to find bad news - however false it may be - and then send it to their friends? That is not good for anyone involved’s mental health.

    There is loads of positive and negative news out there and most of it untrue.

    You need to be able to walk away from it, get some clarity in your mind and then reason it out.
    You should not be mentally affected by any news you read in the web.


  • #7846
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    why send a kid to an ICU with no experience of covid?

    The point is the admission to CH in tallaght was not to the ICU as stated by Sippy.
    It was a general admission


  • #7847
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Jaded Walker wrote: »
    There is loads of positive and negative news out there and most of it untrue.

    You need to be able to walk away from it, get some clarity in your mind and then reason it out.
    You should not be mentally affected by any news you read in the web.


    Exactly this. Also, if you do find yourself easily mentally frazzled by news you read online (I used to), for the love of all that's holy stay away from Twitter too.


  • #7848
    [Deleted User]
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Friend of a friend story here but the friend of a friend contracted it as a close contact of someone as a result of spending a night out with them in a bar a couple of weeks ago.

    All cases i have heard of are a) essential workers nurses/gardai - just doing their important jobs b) people socialising where they were doing things they probably shouldn't have. I.e house private wake house but people turned up anyway and they were let in. Big cluster afterwards. Months ago now...


  • #7849
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    There have been paediatric cases in paediatric ICU’s all through this pandemic . Children get sick very quickly and have immature airways . They also recover very quickly

    3 children admitted to ICU since the start of the pandemic according to the article.


  • #7850
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah no I see where your coming from for sure and like I said my original point could be completely redundant.

    Now HPSC data does show 1 person under the age of 4 being admitted to ICU up to Friday(since covid admissions started), doesn't say where. Maybe HSE aren't going to report CHI Tallaght separately to the adult units ?

    Like i said the person that wrote that article might have a different source and there could well be someone in Tallaght ICU under the age of 4 but that in itself would go against what CHI said when Tallaght was to reopen.

    "We are accelerating some of our original plans to consolidate specific services (in-patient surgery, neurosurgery, day surgery) and to use a city-wide approach across Crumlin, Tallaght and Temple Street for other services, such as, access for medical admissions," CHI said.

    "When it opens at 8am tomorrow, the service will provide a 24/7 emergency care unit, medical inpatients, day case surgery, medicine, x-rays and outpatients."
    They also said they were going to screen everyone coming in to hospitals and journalists discovered this was not the case as indicated to Ronan Glynn yesterday, so you dunno what the hospitals would be at. Nice one for the quote above, I'm sure we'll find out more anyway.

    If it is a toddler, as stated in the article, I'm fairly sure they will be well equipped to fight this. It's just a pretty stark reminder that it can go either way for people of a range of ages.


  • #7851
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Pfizers say today that there’s a 60% chance it’ll be ready to go in October.

    It'd be nuts if in 3-6 weeks there was a vaccine ready to go. I know it won't be available for everyone on day 1, but it could do a lot for the psyche knowing there is one on the way.


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  • #7852
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    s1ippy wrote: »
    They also said they were going to screen everyone coming in to hospitals and journalists discovered this was not the case as indicated to Ronan Glynn yesterday, so you dunno what the hospitals would be at. Nice one for the quote above, I'm sure we'll find out more anyway.

    If it is a toddler, as stated in the article, I'm fairly sure they will be well equipped to fight this. It's just a pretty stark reminder that it can go either way for people of a range of ages.

    Yeah when asked yesterday Glynn said everyone should be tested coming into hosptials. He sounded a bit surprised at suggestions that they weren't


  • #7853
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah when asked yesterday Glynn said everyone should be tested coming into hosptials. He sounded a bit surprised at suggestions that they weren't

    Does that mean even for cancer treatment?

    My dad due in next week for day centre treatment takes about 2 hours if that. Would he be tested every time? I know he wouldn't mind, he would probably prefer it as he is worried that he will catch it and would find testing reassuring.


  • #7854
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I disagree. They can’t let the numbers in Dublin continue. RTE say that cabinet are seriously considering restrictions.
    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I can't see them doing anything across all of Dublin. They might look at particular areas within Dublin where there is a problem.

    I don't see them hitting Dublin pubs in next week or 2, so closely after opening them, there'd be too much backlash and reasonable pushback that there is no proof pubs are an issue as yet. They'll get the odd pub cluster and shut those down temporarily as and when necessary I would think.

    PCros wrote: »
    I'd put money on it that most of the cases are now house gatherings/parties.

    And if this is the case, and they know it, it might be why they are more open to getting people back to controlled environments!


  • #7855
    kenyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭kenyard


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    It'd be nuts if in 3-6 weeks there was a vaccine ready to go. I know it won't be available for everyone on day 1, but it could do a lot for the psyche knowing there is one on the way.

    Ready to go and shipping to public are different stories.
    But being in a position to say we have a vaccine from a reputable company will be ****ing massive.


  • #7856
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    It'd be nuts if in 3-6 weeks there was a vaccine ready to go. I know it won't be available for everyone on day 1, but it could do a lot for the psyche knowing there is one on the way.

    It could be the start of the end.:D This will be over one day. Can't wait until all we are thinking about is the vast amount of money this all cost. Never stressed at all through the last recession.
    This has affected everyone's lives to a much greater extent even if you never test positive or get sick.


  • #7857
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I saw that post on social media today with all the deaths, it's doing the rounds alright. so only 100 people had no underlying conditions and the rest that died were around 84!!

    so over 1600 people died with underlying conditions and also with Covid 19- so the deaths are now Covid "related", Sure if you have herpes, that's for life, so should we swab for that and call congestive heart failure in a 90yr old with underlying conditions, Herpes related??

    ever go the doctor feeling terrible and all the usual signs are normal, what do they say?? " you may have picked up a virus"..really?? what is this Virus you speak of and the profile therein??..DOCTOR, oh there's thousands of them out there and they can cause any number of issues. In the same way that bactieria cause sore throats for some but every now and again even on fit young people, they get unlucky and it's in the bloods and you wind up on life support with infected meninges!!! aka Meningitis!

    I'd say sudden adult death syndrome is down 99% now because anyone who dies from it but has asymptomatic covid, will be down as a covid death too!


  • #7858
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    khalessi wrote: »
    Does that mean even for cancer treatment?

    My dad due in next week for day centre treatment takes about 2 hours if that. Would he be tested every time? I know he wouldn't mind, he would probably prefer it as he is worried that he will catch it and would find testing reassuring.

    I think it only applies to admission. My son's partner was undergoing dialysis upto two months ago. She wasn't tested each time.


  • #7859
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I saw that post on social media today with all the deaths, it's doing the rounds alright. so only 100 people had no underlying conditions and the rest that died were around 84!!

    Yeah, who needs their parents or grandparents who might have lived a few more years.

    Open up the pubs defuk!


  • #7860
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I think it only applies to admission. My son's partner was undergoing dialysis upto two months ago. She wasn't tested each time.

    Yeah admissions is what he was referring to


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  • #7861
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I saw that post on social media today with all the deaths, it's doing the rounds alright. so only 100 people had no underlying conditions and the rest that died were around 84!!
    I thought it was the median that was 84 no? As in half the deaths were above 84, but half of them were below 84.


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