Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Non solum non ambulabit · 08-09-2020 09:12PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Just listening to the news and their daily death count they tell us, so it was 1 today and 2 in the north.

People talk about the deaths and who terrible it is. Of course people dying isn't good but (and I'm not a CT or anti masker) but how many died today in Ireland from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, car accidents.......

Around 90 more people died today. 2500 people died in August in Ireland. Less than 10 were Covid related.

NIMAN · 08-09-2020 09:12PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't live in Dublin, but I fully support you in calling for a lockdown.

Did the news say Dublin is 2.5× the national average?

Anywhere else it would be locked down.

But it'll never happen.

The Gov are now taking a stand. This opening of the pubs is obviously the 1st time they have given the 2 fingers to NPHET, I can see them doing it more often over the coming months.

jackboy · 08-09-2020 09:12PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How many lockdowns do you think it will take to get rid of the virus?

Just one. A never ending permanent one.

kippy · 08-09-2020 09:13PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

For it to return again in 2 months.

How many lockdowns do you think it will take to get rid of the virus?

Regional lockdowns will be required at some point if the numbers keep going up, if only to ensure the health service can cope.
I don't think the point of a lockdown is to totally eradicate the virus as that seems not to be possible at this point.

spookwoman · 08-09-2020 09:13PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

But are a danger to public health yes?

Especially smoking.

and drinking, and in some cases cause severe knock on damage. Eg destroy families, assaults, rape, kill etc.

odyssey06 · 08-09-2020 09:13PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Of course but the CV19 deaths would have to grow massively to get anywhere near the total of the other reasons.

Thats the thing... the deaths and critical hospitalisations have the potential to grow massively in a way none of those other conditions do.

zerosugarbuzz · 08-09-2020 09:13PM

No deaths..... Do we now start counting the number of people with the flu or the common cold. This is totally ridiculous.

political analyst · 08-09-2020 09:13PM

If the number of known cases has increased only because of the increase in testing then why would a second lockdown - whether it's national or local - be necessary at all?

Beechwoodspark · 08-09-2020 09:14PM

George rpeorting WHO saying this is the MOST dangerous Time

Jinglejangle69 · 08-09-2020 09:14PM

jackboy wrote: »

Just one. A never ending permanent one.

Think we'll all be dead before covid is eliminated if that's your plan.

kippy · 08-09-2020 09:15PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Why didn’t they stress that though, instead of saying they were ineffective, and completely muddying the waters? We could’ve been using scarves, bandanas, etc to cover our faces. Small industries and individual people had also started making fabric masks and they could’ve ramped up production. There was even tutorials online how how to make a face mask out of a sock!

Mass panic and idiots.

NIMAN · 08-09-2020 09:16PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Thats the thing... the deaths and critical hospitalisations have the potential to grow massively in a way none of those other conditions do.

Then surely it's time Dublin was shut down before it gets out of control?

TonyMaloney · 08-09-2020 09:16PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Did the news say Dublin is 2.5× the national average?

Anywhere else it would be locked down.

But it'll never happen.

The Gov are now taking a stand. This opening of the pubs is obviously the 1st time they have given the 2 fingers to NPHET, I can see them doing it more often over the coming months.

I think we'll be under heavy restrictions nationally within a couple of months.

Lockdown, or something close to it, is still the only real weapon in our arsenal, sadly.

Beechwoodspark · 08-09-2020 09:16PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Stats aren't good at all I'm afraid. I live in Dublin but there is an obvious problem here now and I'd be in favour of a lockdown now. We must all pull together and beat the virus off the streets once more.

Agreed. Looking pretty bad.

kippy · 08-09-2020 09:16PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

No deaths..... Do we now start counting the number of people with the flu or the common cold. This is totally ridiculous.

What do you reckon happens if this starts circulating like the common cold or the flu?

political analyst · 08-09-2020 09:16PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

George saying WHO this is the MOST dangerous Time

Surely, the virus must be less likely to be spread from the mouth or nose in cold weather because droplets are more likely to freeze in air.

A few months ago, when the British government had a campaign to recruit for the picking of fruit and vegetables on farms, Dr Hilary Jones said on GMB that the virus is less likely to spread from person to person in cold weather. He's a physician - so why would he say it if it's not true?

Non solum non ambulabit · 08-09-2020 09:17PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Unknown but cancer, heart attacks, strokes and car accidents are not highly contagious.

But most are highly avoidable. Bad diet, smoking, lack of exercise, alcohol consumption, drink driving all choices that millions make in Ireland but we can't blame them, just young people meeting up with friends. It is these unhealthy people that are clogging up hospitals for people who are sick through no fault of their own. Take them out and we'd manage Covid without any issues to our health system.

jackboy · 08-09-2020 09:18PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Think we'll all be dead before covid is eliminated if that's your plan.

It’s not my plan but that is the only way the Irish style lockdowns can work. We could go for a much stricter lockdown to get to zero Covid but then we would have to keep it out of the country.

08-09-2020 09:18PM

political analyst wrote: »

Those effects take place mostly in vulnerable patients, who can, if they're able to move at all, wear surgical masks, which they can buy at pharmacies.

Heart arrhythmia is proving a not so rare incidence in those previously healthy people who have recovered, to the extent that such victims have to be on blood thinners to prevent resultant stroke, heart medications, cardio-version interventions in A&E departments, with the possibility of future serious cardiomyopathy. It is even happening in those who have had very mild illness. Covid may yet leave a legacy of disability for years to come. The Influenza Pandemic of 1918 left a legacy of early-onset Parkinsons, including my grandfather who had been struck as a very healthy young man.

Beechwoodspark · 08-09-2020 09:18PM

political analyst wrote: »

Surely, the virus must be less likely to be spread from the mouth or nose in cold weather because droplets are more likely to freeze in air.

A few months ago, when the British government had a campaign to recruit for the picking of fruit and vegetables on farms, Dr Hilary Jones said on GMB that the virus is less likely to spread from person to person in cold weather. He's a physician - so why would he say it if it's not true?

Ireland rarely gets freezing air temps

It hovers between 4-10 degrees in winter.

Unfortunately cold damp meat plant factories have shown themselves to be breeding grounds for the virus

LiquidZeb · 08-09-2020 09:19PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

For it to return again in 2 months.

How many lockdowns do you think it will take to get rid of the virus?

Exactly, even the WHO director general is encouraging countries to move on from lockdowns and encouraging countries to use a targeted and tailored response. If Dublin and Limerick, the national capital and essentially the capital of the Midwest region are locked down, then our economy is ****ed. The stragglers who've survived this long will be killed off for good.

Mantis Toboggan · 08-09-2020 09:19PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Then surely it's time Dublin was shut down before it gets out of control?

Dublin should have been locked down days ago but FFG wouldn't have the balls.

political analyst · 08-09-2020 09:20PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

OK Donald.

When I asked why the cases increased even with mandatory face-covering, fritzelly said (on page 498 of this thread):

fritzelly wrote: »

Because we are testing a whole load more people

Beechwoodspark · 08-09-2020 09:20PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Dublin should have been locked down days ago but FFG wouldn't have the balls.

Dublin should be locked down no question about it

TonyMaloney · 08-09-2020 09:21PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Exactly, even the WHO director general is encouraging countries to move on from lockdowns and encouraging countries to use a targeted and tailored response. If Dublin and Limerick, the national capital and essentially the capital of the Midwest region are locked down, then our economy is ****ed. The stragglers who've survived this long will be killed off for good.

are you referring to culchies?

political analyst · 08-09-2020 09:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Heart arrhythmia is proving a not so rare incidence in those previously healthy people who have recovered, to the extent that such victims have to be on blood thinners to prevent resultant stroke, heart medications, cardio-version interventions in A&E departments, with the possibility of future serious cardiomyopathy. It is even happening in those who have had very mild illness. Covid may yet leave a legacy of disability for years to come. The Influenza Pandemic of 1918 left a legacy of early-onset Parkinsons, including my grandfather who had been struck as a very healthy young man.

Has it been proven that Covid caused heart arrhythmia?

LiquidZeb · 08-09-2020 09:23PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

But most are highly avoidable. Bad diet, smoking, lack of exercise, alcohol consumption, drink driving all choices that millions make in Ireland but we can't blame them, just young people meeting up with friends. It is these unhealthy people that are clogging up hospitals for people who are sick through no fault of their own. Take them out and we'd manage Covid without any issues to our health system.

Exactly obesity and it's associated complications cost the NHS more than the police, fire services and judicial system put together.
I'll admit I'm no Adonis but I've been making an effort to lose weight over the past few months and I feel great.
I have a better sleep pattern, I feel less tired, less sluggish, I've got age on my side I admit but I encourage everyone to make the effort. It's bloody worth it.

08-09-2020 09:24PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Dublin should be locked down no question about it

Definitely. Could the army help with keeping the dublin county border controlled. Not as easy as Kildare.

TonyMaloney · 08-09-2020 09:24PM

political analyst wrote: »

Has it been proven that Covid caused heart arrhythmia?

yes, but only by doctors, so...

alentejo · 08-09-2020 09:24PM

So Ireland has one of the highest instances of Covid in Europe with some of the most restrictions. How did we manage that?

Will have another lock down, then what......open up for a few weeks.... then rinse and repeat,

is it a case that you need to have a lock down every few months.....Thats no way to live your lives

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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