Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

is_that_so · 08-09-2020 06:47PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yep, in my work i’m in contact with people of all ages and all the ederly people i’m in contact with are no longer cocooning, they are out and about. They have told me no way will they do it again if there’s a lockdown. Most have told me they will break lockdown rules.

Quite a few did the first time out and they were right to do it. A second lockdown wouldn't work despite the occasional mutterings about the threat of one as compliance levels would be much lower.

Stark · 08-09-2020 06:48PM

Technically they weren't breaking any rules. Cocooning was always advisory rather than mandatory.

Doctors room ghost · 08-09-2020 06:49PM

It’s going to be a long winter.

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 06:50PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

It’s going to be a long winter.

We need a good tv show to carry us through the winter.

Plumbthedepths · 08-09-2020 06:51PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

We need a good tv show to carry us through the winter.

That rules out the RTE Autumn/Winter schedule so.

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 06:51PM

iguana wrote: »

Lots. And it’s not. This is the same virus that we identified here at the end of February. We just didn’t notice the spread when it began.

Good to know!

bb1234567 · 08-09-2020 06:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is probably why Africa has escaped this so far. It is a much younger population than Europe.

It doesn't totally explain it though

Iraq , Peru, Ecuador , Mexico and Bolivia have very young populations and large numbers of deaths

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 06:51PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That rules out the RTE Autumn/Winter schedule so.

Brilliant :pac:

Onesea · 08-09-2020 06:52PM

So where are all the deaths?

One very worrying thing is the view of empty streets around dublin(from the news reports)

What happens when the covid payments stop? And there's nowhere to emigrate to.

Doctors room ghost · 08-09-2020 06:52PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

We need a good tv show to carry us through the winter.

I’m sorted for that.last of the summer wine box set.239 or so episodes and not an add in sight

08-09-2020 06:53PM

iguana wrote: »

Lots. And it’s not. This is the same virus that we identified here at the end of February. We just didn’t notice the spread when it began.

Yes I've heard it a thousand times.

You have not got a clue whats happening at the moment other than what our government is telling us. What is likely to happen in a few months time? WHO or anyone else is certainly not going to tell us the virus has weakened. Nothing to see here, until months down the line. The who has always been months and months behind every single thing that has happened so far.

No person to person transmission.
No asymptomatic people.
No asymptomatic spread.
Won't leave China.
Masks are dangerous.

You don't know and nor do. I don't pretend to know but I do live in hope.

:rolleyes:

Away With The Fairies · 08-09-2020 06:53PM

Just read some news online, there's a toddler in ICU in an Irish hospital.

How Soon Is Now · 08-09-2020 06:53PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

So try nothing because too many people won't bother listening?

Sounds like a shíte idea to be honest.

Never said not to try anything :pac: All I am saying is that a lot of people won't go along with it this time as they did before.

Anyway, if something comes into play I can't see it being anything extreme it will be similar to the lock-downs we had in Kildare etc

You start telling people they can't go here or can't go there sure who is gonna police that? Sure the whole situation of the masks and them being mandatory in shops and public transport it's not been in-forced properly. Throw in the fact a lot of people wearing the masks aren't even wearing them properly or there taking them on and off.

This is how things work with the general public unfortunately. This whole thing of where in this together ya right!

Like I said all we can do is look after ourselves and the people close to us outside of that we have no control over it.

Happydays2020 · 08-09-2020 06:54PM

We cannot have a full lock down again so what are the restrictions which can be brought in again! Are we at this point now?

- restrictions to 2km or 5km from home?
- restrictions on non family members in private homes?
- shut down any eat-in/drink in establishments?
- shut down retail with the exception of food?
- shut down hairdressers/barbers/retail?
- shut down schools?
- stop Dubs leaving the a county?
- shut down construction sites?

Do we do this for two weeks to get numbers under control?

Del Griffith · 08-09-2020 06:56PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

It’s frustrating how travel seems to be completely overlooked. Tbh, it’s not travel per se that’s the problem, it’s people going abroad and going to bars and mixing and mingling with people, and not isolating upon returning. Travel would be fine if people isolated and restricted their movements upon returning. The ones who don’t care for the guidelines around travelling are exactly the type of ones who will then go to house parties and not give a damn about social distancing, restricting your social contacts, etc

What is this obsession about, why should anyone quarantine after going to a country with a lower number per 100k than here? If youre going to do that why not quarantine after going to do the groceries in Ireland?

I can understand corona hot spots being blacklisted but this blanket ban and quarantine suggestion (rule?) is a load of bollox

DebDynamite · 08-09-2020 06:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No person to person transmission.

:rolleyes:

I missed this one at the start (probably because I didn’t think it would affect us at that stage!), but how did they claim it would spread if it wasn’t person to person transmission?

Plumbthedepths · 08-09-2020 06:58PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Just read some news online, there's a toddler in ICU in an Irish hospital.

What source? nothing on RTE.

drunkmonkey · 08-09-2020 06:59PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Just read some news online, there's a toddler in ICU in an Irish hospital.

Fake news discussed earlier.

kippy · 08-09-2020 07:01PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

What is this obsession about, why should anyone quarantine after going to a country with a lower number per 100k than here? If youre going to do that why not quarantine after going to do the groceries in Ireland?

I can understand corona hot spots being blacklisted but this blanket ban and quarantine suggestion (rule?) is a load of bollox

You need to expand out the situation here.
It's not just about going to a country with lower cases.
It's also go to do with the mode of transport (a plane usually) and the other passengers on that plane - not all of whom may be been exclusively in the same country as you for the past 14 days or, may have just been on that one/two flights..........
Even the green list countries bring with them this issue.

And surely, you would want to quarentine yourself if you were in any way a responsible citizen in the current circumstances without have to be told to do so.

There are a myriad of considerations at play. Not simple good/bad options unfortunately.

podgeandrodge · 08-09-2020 07:01PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What source? nothing on RTE.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/toddler-fighting-life-irish-hospital-22648430

Away With The Fairies · 08-09-2020 07:02PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Fake news discussed earlier.

Is it just boards saying it's fake? You better start up your own news site with the "real" news.

08-09-2020 07:03PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

I'm going to listen to Leo anyway and take comfort in the fact that the majority of cases are asymptomatic now.

And those are lovely positives! I wonder is there any research into the virus weakening or not.

People love to bash politicians, but Leo has called things before and against the grain. He called it right and early with regard Maurice McCabe when plenty of others who should have known were floundering badly. Time will tell..

Ivor Cummins has interviewed a lot of people around Europe mostly icu doctors in Italy Spain UK. They are saying virus is less angry, a lion in March and a wild cat now. An icu doctor in Spain is saying vaccine might.not be needed at all.

He believes majority of people have died and there is now immunity in population, hence so many people with no symptoms.

drunkmonkey · 08-09-2020 07:04PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Is it just boards saying it's fake? You better start up your own news site with the "real" news.

Go back and have a look, they don't know the age, gender, underlying condition, what hospital or if there even sick.

podgeandrodge · 08-09-2020 07:07PM

ixoy wrote: »

Part of me wonders if they're opening the pubs to try and curb people from house parties, putting it in a slightly more controlled environment.

I think there is some validity to that. They've been quite concerned about house parties etc. and not allowing pubs leaves it more likely there will be parties.

Though closing at 11.30 is unhelpful as it pushes more people into the same time zone than necessary.

PowerToWait · 08-09-2020 07:07PM

political analyst wrote: »

the recent rise in the number of infections is caused by an increase in testing

OK Donald.

DebDynamite · 08-09-2020 07:07PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

What is this obsession about, why should anyone quarantine after going to a country with a lower number per 100k than here? If youre going to do that why not quarantine after going to do the groceries in Ireland?

I can understand corona hot spots being blacklisted but this blanket ban and quarantine suggestion (rule?) is a load of bollox

Well probably because when travel reopened, we actually had one of the lowest incidences per 100k in Europe (down to about 3.5), so in June/July most people were coming back from counties with worse incidences than us and bringing the virus back with them. And now we are one of the worst in Europe, no doubt partly caused by aforementioned travel. The amount of people alone i’ve heard of coming back from Greece having tested positive...

There’s a reason Finland, Hungary and Germany (off the top of my head) have now put in strict travel measures, or even completely closed their borders

Marty Bird · 08-09-2020 07:08PM

iguana wrote: »

Because what happened in March was much, much further into that wave than we are into this one. What’s happening now is what we didn’t realise was happening last winter/early spring. Bear in mind we likely caught 10% of cases in the first wave. So by the time we noticed it was happening here, the spread had been going on for months. A spread of mainly mild and asymptomatic cases leading to few hospitalizations. Invisible if you aren’t looking for it. But some of our first identified cases were community transmission, some of those patients already in ICU.

We are seeing at least some of the spread now. And can slow it, but realistically we need to do so, so much more to prevent what we’re heading towards again.

I thought about this theory before but if it was the case surely it would have gotten into the nursing homes earlier too and we would have had the same effect as we did in March/April.

GooglePlus · 08-09-2020 07:08PM

Onesea wrote: »

So where are all the deaths?

One very worrying thing is the view of empty streets around dublin(from the news reports)

What happens when the covid payments stop? And there's nowhere to emigrate to.

What are you talking about, the place is busier than ever and traffic is back to normal.

TonyMaloney · 08-09-2020 07:08PM

A very good Atlantic article on long covid, herd immunity and more besides.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/what-young-healthy-people-have-fear-covid-19/616087/

Away With The Fairies · 08-09-2020 07:09PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Go back and have a look, they don't know the age, gender, underlying condition, what hospital or if there even sick.

Of course, pick out anything to make it fake news. Only on boards.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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