COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Marhay70 · 07-09-2020 10:10PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Bizarre communication from the government in terms of forward planning throughout this virus. "New normal" is such a weird, terrifying and thankfully incorrect slogan to be throwing around by people with such responsibility. Why haven't they said that we will know a lot more about a vaccine (and improved testing and therapeutics) by the end of the year and from there we will have to plan on how to go forward?

In this respect you are better off to draw your own conclusions rather than rely on what government says. From the very start they have been worried about people relaxing their vigilance and this is reflected in almost every decision they make. I think there is nothing Varadkar would love to do more than announce to the public that everything will soon be back to normal.

LiquidZeb · 07-09-2020 10:12PM

alentejo wrote: »

Am really depressed at the rise in numbers. We are in a second wave. Over 13000 referred for testing today according to the HSE. We will see 300+ reported during this week.

Sorry to be so negative, but this damn virus seems to have the better of us. A grim winter awaits

I wish government would be more positive

Jesus the way people talk about winter here you'd swear we were in the backarse of Siberia. Ireland has very mild winters compared to a lot of Europe.

ACitizenErased · 07-09-2020 10:18PM

Rumours that Pfizers will be ready before Oxford. Anyone else heard similar?

daydorunrun · 07-09-2020 10:25PM

Bentley Bald Tube wrote: »

That assumes it will (only) be required (immunity cert) for int'l travel.

Whereas some states could push it as a pre-qualification for access to a whole multitude of products, locations and services. And without the fuss of carrying around a paper based booket.

A smartphone won't suffice neither, far too many variables: low battery, dumb phone preffered, device forgot, system failure, stolen, dropped in water etc.

Instead one of the best of class (digital) solutions to immunity certs, may come in the way of a tattoo (quantum dot tattoo WO2019018301A1) delivered at the same time {combination delivery} as the vaccine, or after, if missed during an early P3/4 rollout.

Essentially it's a scanable tattoo (like a QR code) that confirms who, which, when and what type of vaccine you have. Could likely also contain more detailed medical history, and would also be logical to contain a simple static UnID (12 digit number to confirm your identity).

Free striped pyjamas to go with the tattoo?

Gael23 · 07-09-2020 10:29PM

Producing 1.3 billion douses per year it will take quite some time for this to end

Marhay70 · 07-09-2020 10:32PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Jesus the way people talk about winter here you'd swear we were in the backarse of Siberia. Ireland has very mild winters compared to a lot of Europe.

Not always a positive thing, bugs in general tend to thrive in our mild, wet, winter weather, virus would be no exception.
Personally, I have great hopes for treatments and prophylactic therapy emerging soon.

stephenjmcd · 07-09-2020 10:35PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Producing 1.3 billion douses per year it will take quite some time for this to end

Thats just 1 vaccine. Good chance of more being successful. You also don't need everyone vaccinated to end it, by end it I mean the widespread restrictions etc

LiquidZeb · 07-09-2020 10:38PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats just 1 vaccine. Good chance of more being successful. You also don't need everyone vaccinated to end it

Considering we and most other OECD countries have the necessary infrastructure in place to roll out a vaccine I can see things winding down in the next 6-8 months give or take. We'll probably see scenes similar to the polio vaccine rollout with queues and queues outside vaccine centres. Then we need to assist third world nations in vaccinating as well.

stephenjmcd · 07-09-2020 10:47PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Considering we and most other OECD countries have the necessary infrastructure in place to roll out a vaccine I can see things winding down in the next 6-8 months give or take. We'll probably see scenes similar to the polio vaccine rollout with queues and queues outside vaccine centres. Then we need to assist third world nations in vaccinating as well.

Wouldn't surprise me if for rollout they had pop up centres. For general public after the vulnerable and frontline theres not many other ways I can think of in terms of rolling it out

mandrake04 · 08-09-2020 01:08AM

alentejo wrote: »

Am really depressed at the rise in numbers. We are in a second wave. Over 13000 referred for testing today according to the HSE. We will see 300+ reported during this week.

Sorry to be so negative, but this damn virus seems to have the better of us. A grim winter awaits

I wish government would be more positive

I don’t think this is a second wave, it’s just all the holiday makers flying in from green list and non-green list countries...anyone with any sense could see that that rise was inevitable. The real second wave will be in late November and December when you get more of a social season and again an increase in travel activity and the weather conditions favour the virus more.

Micky 32 · 08-09-2020 02:13AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

I don’t think this is a second wave, it’s just all the holiday makers flying in from green list and non-green list countries...anyone with any sense could see that that rise was inevitable. The real second wave will be in late November and December when you get more of a social season and again an increase in travel activity and the weather conditions favour the virus more.

What absolute rubbish.

What Username Guidelines · 08-09-2020 07:37AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Thats just 1 vaccine. Good chance of more being successful. You also don't need everyone vaccinated to end it, by end it I mean the widespread restrictions etc

Exactly, once the vaccine starts rolling out, each and every dose removes a single potential vector and therefore decreases the power of the pandemic. Obviously we’ll need many vaccinated to see actual results make their way through to the numbers, but we’re getting closer to the day when our boy Tedros comes out and declares this thing over.

mean gene · 08-09-2020 08:25AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Exactly, once the vaccine starts rolling out, each and every dose removes a single potential vector and therefore decreases the power of the pandemic. Obviously we’ll need many vaccinated to see actual results make their way through to the numbers, but we’re getting closer to the day when our boy Tedros comes out and declares this thing over.

no money to be made in declaring it over I wouldnt hold my breath on that one

celt262 · 08-09-2020 08:29AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Rumours that Pfizers will be ready before Oxford. Anyone else heard similar?

They reckon they are very close.

Marhay70 · 08-09-2020 09:56AM

Heard from two separate news sources, NBC and Euronews, this morning that none of the prospective vaccines will be a "catch all". Unfortunately, no details as to what they may not catch but interested to hear if anybody has heard more details.

Gael23 · 08-09-2020 09:59AM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Considering we and most other OECD countries have the necessary infrastructure in place to roll out a vaccine I can see things winding down in the next 6-8 months give or take. We'll probably see scenes similar to the polio vaccine rollout with queues and queues outside vaccine centres. Then we need to assist third world nations in vaccinating as well.

I sincerely hope you are correct

08-09-2020 10:03AM

mean gene wrote: »

no money to be made in declaring it over I wouldnt hold my breath on that one

Infinitely more money to be made by declaring it over than by continuing in our current state

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 10:08AM

Read a very thought-provoking comment the other day (not sure if it was here or elsewhere)..

Instead of vaccinating the older and vulnerable first, why not vaccinate the younger people? If the majority of spread is from the younger population, herd immunity could probably be achieved quicker with that approach.

Then again, the vulnerable will be vulnerable for a bit longer but it doesn't sound too stupid IMO..

is_that_so · 08-09-2020 10:08AM

AdamD wrote: »

Infinitely more money to be made by declaring it over than by continuing in our current state

For that to happen it needs to look like it is over. Very few places can say that. Trump has tried to declare it over and look how well they're doing.

astrofool · 08-09-2020 10:55AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Read a very thought-provoking comment the other day (not sure if it was here or elsewhere)..

Instead of vaccinating the older and vulnerable first, why not vaccinate the younger people? If the majority of spread is from the younger population, herd immunity could probably be achieved quicker with that approach.

Then again, the vulnerable will be vulnerable for a bit longer but it doesn't sound too stupid IMO..

This is correct for a vaccine which provides sterilizing immunity (i.e. the immunised person doesn't spread the virus), immunising the young provides better outcomes for the community, especially when vaccines are scarce.

Because it's counter-intuitive (i.e. I'll risk my health on the fact that spreaders will get immunized rather than take the vaccine myself) and because older people vote (imagine being the politician explaining you won't get a vaccine and young people will get it instead), it is generally targeted at the elderly.

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 10:56AM

astrofool wrote: »

This is correct for a vaccine which provides sterilizing immunity (i.e. the immunised person doesn't spread the virus), immunising the young provides better outcomes for the community, especially when vaccines are scarce.

Because it's counter-intuitive (i.e. I'll risk my health on the fact that spreaders will get immunized rather than take the vaccine myself) and because older people vote (imagine being the politician explaining you won't get a vaccine and young people will get it instead), it is generally targeted at the elderly.

I hadn't even thought of that! Fair enough

Stark · 08-09-2020 10:58AM

Yeah I always thought it a bit strange that only elderly people were encouraged to take the flu vaccine in Ireland. In the States, it's heavily targeted at everyone. On my visits to our US office, I've often seen them hold "flu vaccine clinics" for office workers. And it's given away practically for free which is very unusual in US healthcare.

astrofool · 08-09-2020 11:00AM

Stark wrote: »

Yeah I always thought it a bit strange that only elderly people were encouraged to take the flu vaccine in Ireland. In the States, it's heavily targeted at everyone. On my visits to our US office, I've often seen them hold "flu vaccine clinics" for office workers. And it's given away practically for free which is very unusual in US healthcare.

Most multinationals in Ireland have similar schemes.

seanb85 · 08-09-2020 12:48PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Wouldn't surprise me if for rollout they had pop up centres. For general public after the vulnerable and frontline theres not many other ways I can think of in terms of rolling it out

They might go to employers, schools, colleges, even the welfare office. Got the BCG and meningitis jabs at school I think.

stephenjmcd · 08-09-2020 12:50PM

seanb85 wrote: »

They might go to employers, schools, colleges, even the welfare office. Got the BCG and meningitis jabs at school I think.

Yeah schools is an obvious one for sure.

I know my own employer offers us the flu jab each year through the local pharmacy. Nurse comes in for 2 days and you get your 5 minute slot if you want to get the jab. Usually a high take up. Could be another method of distribution

seanb85 · 08-09-2020 12:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Rumours that Pfizers will be ready before Oxford. Anyone else heard similar?

They seemed to have a better geographical spread for their phase 3, Oxford was mostly UK based until they sorted trials in Brazil and South Africa. Wouldn't be too surprising if Pfizer are getting a better early read as infections arise.

Has the EU negotiated a deal for for Pfizer's?

stephenjmcd · 08-09-2020 01:11PM

seanb85 wrote: »

They seemed to have a better geographical spread for their phase 3, Oxford was mostly UK based until they sorted trials in Brazil and South Africa. Wouldn't be too surprising if Pfizer are getting a better early read as infections arise.

Has the EU negotiated a deal for for Pfizer's?

Pretty sure they said back in July they were negotiating.

J&J talks finished up a few weeks ago with the envisaged contract to be signed giving 200m doses after approval with scope for another 200m

seanb85 · 08-09-2020 01:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pretty sure they said back in July they were negotiating.

J&J talks finished up a few weeks ago with the envisaged contract to be signed giving 200m doses after approval with scope for another 200m

Just looking at it there, seems liability issues have delayed any deal with Pfizer. UK have secured access to 30m so we could maybe do a bilateral deal with them if results look good.

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 01:27PM

The government should come out and say that a vaccine isn't years away. Would help quell the stuff I hear daily from customers and colleagues in work.

"We won't be traveling for about 5 years!"

"I'd say we'll be like this for another 2 years!"

Etc.

stephenjmcd · 08-09-2020 01:28PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

The government should come out and say that a vaccine isn't years away. Would help quell the stuff I hear daily from customers and colleagues in work.

"We won't be traveling for about 5 years!"

"I'd say we'll be like this for another 2 years!"

Etc.

Yeah even in my own work theres a few who keep saying oh things will never got back to normal, a vaccine is a dream thats years away. Try to explain the trials to them and its just oh no but the government said its years away.

Nobody actually researches for themselves

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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