Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Zebra3 · 08-09-2020 12:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This argument needs to die. Air pollution is not a highly infectious virus that is passed from person to person.

But we need to tackle these deaths straight away.

We need to an immediate lockdown to save lives.

Or these deaths don't matter?

HeidiHeidi · 08-09-2020 12:19PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

But we need to tackle these deaths straight away.

We need to an immediate lockdown to save lives.

Or these deaths don't matter?

Yep, another one for the ignore list. It's lengthened quite considerably since the start of the Covid threads!

Penfailed · 08-09-2020 12:21PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

People are continuing to die right now due to air pollution from vehicles, but these deaths it seems aren't important.

We need an immediate lockdown to save the lives of the vulnerable.

Sadly, too many selfish people out there want to continue using their cars and they just don't care about those they are currently killing.

A hierarchy of victims is what we have now.

People don't care about those deaths. People continue to use their cars like they have always done and continue to kill people.

Towns are bypassed and the the local roads become full of local traffic and the air pollution stays as bad as it is.

So you the 20 year old gets in to their car and goes off driving it around contributing to deaths but you don't care.

Every (wo)man for him/herself doesn't work with deadly air pollution.

If a selfish 20 year old puts their relations at risk, that's their fault.

Oh, you're actually doubling down with your argument. Work away. It doesn't justify another response as it's ridiculous.

08-09-2020 12:24PM

I'm glad that the pubs are reopening but sadly it must be because the economy is getting so bad.

We didn't open them all summer despite having much lower case numbers. There is obviously no logical reason to open now and not back then.

Can only assume that the changes to the PUP payment and the pubs reopening are the first signs that the economy is starting to dictate decision making.

Penfailed · 08-09-2020 12:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm glad that the pubs are reopening but sadly it must be because the economy is getting so bad.

We didn't open them all summer despite having much lower case numbers. There is obviously no logical reason to open now and not back then.

Can only assume that the changes to the PUP payment and the pubs reopening are the first signs that the economy is starting to dictate decision making.

You think that the entire economy of Ireland is powered by pubs? Nah.

_Kaiser_ · 08-09-2020 12:29PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You think that the entire economy of Ireland is powered by pubs? Nah.

It's a vocal and visible sector (this is Ireland after all) but it's not just a pub and the (local) employment it provides. It's suppliers, security (for the bigger ones), equipment and fittings, rates and VAT on utilities etc etc

Similarly, many other smaller businesses are struggling under rules that have imposed increased costs on them that they are expected to cover with significantly reduced trade. Same knock-on effects there.

No single business operates in isolation.

rob316 · 08-09-2020 12:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm glad that the pubs are reopening but sadly it must be because the economy is getting so bad.

We didn't open them all summer despite having much lower case numbers. There is obviously no logical reason to open now and not back then.

Can only assume that the changes to the PUP payment and the pubs reopening are the first signs that the economy is starting to dictate decision making.

There has never been a logical reason to keep the pubs closed past June.

Its got nothing do with the economy, its do with it been grossly unfair and ridiculous at this stage.

08-09-2020 12:30PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You think that the entire economy of Ireland is powered by pubs? Nah.

I didn't say that at all. But there is enough evidence out there now to suggest that the economy is starting to dictate decision making.

There is likely going to be a large number of cases announced this evening. And we are still going ahead with schools, pubs and changes to the PUP payments. Likely because we have to for economic and social reasons.

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 12:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say that at all. But there is enough evidence out there now to suggest that the economy is starting to dictate decision making.

There is likely going to be a large number of cases announced this evening. And we are still going ahead with schools, pubs and changes to the PUP payments. Likely because we have to for economic and social reasons.

It's time the government starts to speak to people like rational adults now because if we do get a large no. of cases, people will start to freak out. Even though most of the cases are asymptomatic to mild, they'll announce numbers without any context.

They'll need to start updating recovery figures every day, will need to say that it isn't all doom and gloom and that we are in an okay position right now.

Otherwise we're going to have 10x as many people screaming for another lockdown.

08-09-2020 12:41PM

well when I go xmas shopping, we make a day of it right. early start on saturday and we grab a breakfast somewhere. so mister Cafe man wins there!

then we go round a few shops and then we have a drink in a pub somewhere, just one or two! then some food again and it's off to finish the shopping.
Who knows, with my jovial mood, I may actually buy that item I would not have other wise bought, where I not a few drinks in and just all round enjoying the day. then we finish with wine and/or some beers just for the evening bus home.
Everyone's a winner.

I think they're so intrinsically inked to our culture like it or not, Ireland is reliant on them, it's what makes the country. without that system for me, I'd just get up, have a Weetabix and shop on line, while killing the economy in the process.

Penfailed · 08-09-2020 12:45PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

It's time the government starts to speak to people like rational adults now because if we do get a large no. of cases, people will start to freak out.

Why would rational adults freak out. That's irrational behaviour.

08-09-2020 12:45PM

According to the source on the main thread who is usually spot on, there will be 308 cases announced today with 181 in Dublin.

Certainly seems like we are getting to a stage were we can't just keep saying "Next few weeks are critical". We have to move forward, even if it means accepting that a small number of people might die.

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 12:46PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Why would rational adults freak out. That's irrational behaviour.

That's what I mean

patnor1011 · 08-09-2020 12:49PM

If anyone feels like we need another or even stricter lockdown well they can implement that unilaterally, stay locked in and watch the horror unfolding from behind their windows.
It was said since the start that if you feel threatened or vulnerable you should start cocooning and that is what lockdown should look like.

road_high · 08-09-2020 01:02PM

Really starting to see the effects of lockdown on the economy, anecdotally at least. My barber telling me she’s now on reduced hours- things are very quiet especially to lack of events, social
Occasions or going out.
Wonder how many of our public service or political elite are on reduced pay and hours?

Plumbthedepths · 08-09-2020 01:05PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Yep, another one for the ignore list. It's lengthened quite considerably since the start of the Covid threads!

No offense but what's the point of being on a discussion forum if you place everyone who has a different opinion than you on ignore?

08-09-2020 01:12PM

road_high wrote: »

Really starting to see the effects of lockdown on the economy, anecdotally at least. My barber telling me she’s now on reduced hours- things are very quiet especially to lack of events, social
Occasions or going out.
Wonder how many of our public service or political elite are on reduced pay and hours?

I have a pain in my face trying to explain to people on here that we are not fully open!

The airport is only at about 10% capacity.
Hardly any tourists coming in which impacts all kinds of business.

Hardly any social events has knock on effects on so many businesses as well.

Most businesses are not making the kind of profits they were before.

Now we are officially in recession.

Penfailed · 08-09-2020 01:15PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No offense but what's the point of being on a discussion forum if you place everyone who has a different opinion than you on ignore?

There's having a difference of opinion and there's wanting a lockdown to stop car pollution...

bucketybuck · 08-09-2020 01:18PM

Penfailed wrote: »

There's having a difference of opinion and there's wanting a lockdown to stop car pollution...

Or wanting a lockdown to combat the zero deaths per day we are currently suffering.

08-09-2020 01:18PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

But we need to tackle these deaths straight away.

We need to an immediate lockdown to save lives.

Or these deaths don't matter?

We are tackling them constantly with regulations and technological advances. Catalytic converters to name one of thousands. I might be mistaken but I think deaths from pollution is linear.

Penfailed · 08-09-2020 01:19PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Or wanting a lockdown to combat the zero deaths per day we are currently suffering.

What lockdown? That finished ages ago. What's in place now are restrictions.

08-09-2020 01:28PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It has to mate. That's the reality of where we are now.

Watch now as the response from Government finally starts to shift with that in mind. Leo was flagging it weeks ago with comments about herd immunity. Now they're finally accepting pubs need to reopen (despite rising cases which has been pitched as the headline issue in the last 2/3 months - coincidentally around the time people stopped dying from CV-19), schools will be kept open (partly because Micheal Martin staked his flag on it but also because they need parents back at work), and you'll see this attitude change increase as the Budget gets closer.

The banks are under pressure yet again (so much for reform and greater oversight - not that that was ever going to REALLY be a thing!), much of the SME sector and local economy is struggling under rules that are restricting their ability to trade sustainably, and still too many are getting the "emergency" payments, and of course the fallout from Brexit is heating up again in recent days.

As everyone is keen to point out (and rightly so) when it comes to the Left, there IS no magic money tree. Our "friends" in the EU have left us to swing with regards to aid, and we can do very little with taxes given that we never fully recovered from the last round of recession, nor can we simply fire up the printing presses or mess with our currency valuation to retain the competitive edge our small, open, completely FDI-dependent economy needs in these times.

Economic reality is about to hit hard and CV-19 will take a backseat to political and financial pragmatism.

I think this is unfair. You can reform banks all you want but if you shut the economy down for 3-6 months they'll struggle to survive regardless of how strong they are

bucketybuck · 08-09-2020 01:32PM

Penfailed wrote: »

What lockdown? That finished ages ago. What's in place now are restrictions.

English not your first language? Try reading for comprehension, with specific focus on the word "want".

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 01:39PM

Wow

drunkmonkey · 08-09-2020 01:41PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Wow

What do we say to nut jobs like that..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Laxfp_y0I4

Penfailed · 08-09-2020 01:42PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

English not your first language? Try reading for comprehension, with specific focus on the word "want".

Who wants a lockdown?

xhomelezz · 08-09-2020 01:45PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What do we say to nut jobs like that..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Laxfp_y0I4

OMFG what a bunch..

drunkmonkey · 08-09-2020 01:49PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

OMFG what a bunch..

It'll be number 1 by Christmas:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVwQZSBTkx4

MadYaker · 08-09-2020 01:52PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Who wants a lockdown?

Nobody. It’s utterly depressing. But if it does happen I’ll get a laugh out of watching everyone tear their hair out in this thread. Not being able to understand complex issues like this must be frustrating I suppose.

funnydoggy · 08-09-2020 01:52PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It'll be number 1 by Christmas:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVwQZSBTkx4

Didn't the Irish water protestors sing something with the same tune?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings