Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

What Username Guidelines · 06-09-2020 02:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Time will tell..

He's either right or wrong.

Not taking what he says as gospel but I'm keeping my mind open.

Oh absolutely. I’m a big proponent of having people from different industries looking at problems, as fresh eyes with knowledge of data can uncover interesting stuff. I read a lot of his stuff and he did seem to be one of the only people *questioning* the reaction rather than downright slamming it/denying covid exists/with another agenda. It wasn’t until the last few weeks when I did some more digging did I realise more of his background. More of a heads up as opposed to “he is wrong”.

Happydays2020 · 06-09-2020 03:01PM

https://twitter.com/care2much18/status/1302563239570681857?s=21

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 03:05PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You seem to have a very low opinion of young people and their sense of responsibility. Expecting society to pull together to protect each other is not a cop out and takes effort by us all. All that's expected is that each of us does what we can to facilitate the suppression of this virus.

This is exactly what has happened. Young and old have rallied together.

podgeandrodge · 06-09-2020 03:08PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Reported that hospital numbers are increasing and 78 percent of people who had the virus have long term lung or heart problems

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No problem. It has been reported that 78 percent of people who had the virus end up with ling or heart issues.

That's what is being reported. I read it this morning.

El Sueño wrote: »

I believe that 78% figure is from that tiny German study from 6 weeks ago?

That's been discussed at length and to say it's misleading would be an understatement.

Context is important.

Here's the paragraph from Luke O'Neill in the Sunday Indo today. Presumably the German report alright, the 100 person study.

@Ex Machina - it wasn't "reported that 78% of people who had the virus end up with lung or heart issues". EVEN Luke O'Neill points out that it is one study, seems remarkable, and that other studies will have to be done to identify whether the issue is prevalent long term. This study was done approx. 70 days after infection, so not particularly long term. Hopefully the Germans will get those patients back in a few months to see if the issues are still there.

06-09-2020 03:08PM

I think HappyDays is getting very excited

Jim_Hodge · 06-09-2020 03:09PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

This is exactly what has happened. Young and old have rallied together.

I agree that is true to a large extent. Hence why the other poster needs to reign in his distrust in the ability of younger people to see the need for responsible actions. There will always be a few mavericks and they need to be called out as such rather than excusing their behaviour on the grounds that they are young.

Happydays2020 · 06-09-2020 03:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think HappyDays is getting very excited

Not excited at all. Quite worried as that guy has been on the ball on a lot of stuff.

hmmm · 06-09-2020 03:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

20 of those in hospital are in Beaumont, there’s an outbreak there. Very little increases outside of there.

Good news if there's very little outside there, hospitalisation & ICU numbers are the only ones I pay attention to. We can't have hospitalisation numbers increasing, they have to level off or it will become unsustainable.

You have to wonder if some people struggle with basic maths when they talk about how there are more cases and less hospitalisations/death as if this was a mystery. We are testing far more now than we were in March, so we are catching much more of the cases - back in March we'd have only found many of them when they presented to hospital.

06-09-2020 03:14PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/care2much18/status/1302563239570681857?s=21

Again if a b and c happens then were doomed.

You can't really compare Florida to Ireland and say that is definitely going to happen.

Picking worst countries in the world at different time periods and saying this will all happen in ireland is not helpful.

Happydays2020 · 06-09-2020 03:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again if a b and c happens then were doomed.

You can't really compare Florida to Ireland and say that is definitely going to happen.

Picking worst countries in the world at different time periods and saying this will all happen in ireland is not helpful.

I hope you are right and he is not. One thing is missing is inter generational Community transmission. That has not quite happened yet.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 03:16PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I agree that is true to a large extent. Hence why the other poster needs to reign in his distrust in the ability of younger people to see the need for responsible actions. There will always be a few mavericks and they need to be called out as such rather than excusing their behaviour on the grounds that they are young.

Jim I'd be grateful if you don't misrepresent what I said, there is enough of that carryon here without you engaging in it aswell. I never stated I don't trust the young I said to continue to ask them to restrict their lives is a big ask when the virus holds very little danger for them.

What Username Guidelines · 06-09-2020 03:19PM

hmmm wrote: »

Good news if there's very little outside there, hospitalisation & ICU numbers are the only ones I pay attention to. We can't have hospitalisation numbers increasing, they have to level off or it will become unsustainable.

You have to wonder if some people struggle with basic maths when they talk about how there are more cases and less hospitalisations/death as if this was a mystery. We are testing far more now than we were in March, so we are catching much more of the cases - back in March we'd have only found many of them when they presented to hospital.

While the totals are up, if you look over the last few weeks of hospital reports, most bounce around between 0 and 4 patients, if any. Bigger hospitals (mater, etc) seem to have a constant presence but no big leaps. Beaumont took a sudden jump and was up to 15 last night. There are reports today saying they’ve closed a number of wards due to an outbreak.

I also learnt via Twitter that admissions on the dashboard are people being admitted due to coronavirus. Hospital numbers are any inpatients in a hospital who have a positive test. So that’s admissions plus others in for something else that test positive.

06-09-2020 03:21PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I hope you are right and he is not. One thing is missing is inter generational Community transmission. That has not quite happened yet.

What I'm saying is we don't know.

No need for the hysterics when there is 6 people in icu and cases have stabilised.

I would like to see our testing improved. Thats within our control and will have a big impact on how this is managed.

Jim_Hodge · 06-09-2020 03:22PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Jim I'd be grateful if you don't misrepresent what I said, there is enough of that carryon here without you engaging in it aswell. I never stated I don't trust the young I said to continue to ask them to restrict their lives is a big ask when the virus holds very little danger for them.

Ok, then asking them to continue with the measures needed right now is not a big ask and most of them do not consider it too much to ask. They see the dangers for the wider population. Those that can't grasp that need are the problem but they are a small number. Excusing those few is a cop out.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 03:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

20 of those in hospital are in Beaumont, there’s an outbreak there. Very little increases outside of there.

Beaumont have 15, not 20 cases.
A week ago they had 5, 2 weeks ago 1.
So at most, 14 could be attributed to a hospital outbreak, not 20.
A quick google and it seems even less of those 15 are associated to the outbreak:

Beaumont Hospital in Dublin has been hit by outbreaks of Covid-19, with three patients and two staff testing positive for the virus.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/beaumont-hospital-closes-down-three-wards-over-covid-outbreaks-39506611.html

Oranage2 · 06-09-2020 03:26PM

Do we get early beers on Sunday?

Anyway usually low, can't have people too scared to go to work and school.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 03:27PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Ok, then asking them to continue with the measures needed right now is not a big ask and most of them do not consider it too much to ask. They see the dangers for the wider population. Those that can't grasp that need are the problem but they are a small number. Excusing those few is a cop out.

Actually the wider population is not in danger, a small minority however are.
I'm not going to shame or call out young people for wanting to socialise it's a normal activity.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 04:00PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Young people in previous generations where asked to go our the top of trenches into the face of rapid machine gun fire. This generation is simply being asked to social distance and be responsible.

The poor pets.

Which is exactly what they are doing. You attitude stinks comparing this to a murderous slaughter in WW1. Most weren't asked either, they were very often poor conscripts.

Strumms · 06-09-2020 04:18PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually the wider population is not in danger, a small minority however are.
I'm not going to shame or call out young people for wanting to socialise it's a normal activity.

It’s a normal activity in normal times.

These are not normal times.

These are times where EVERYONE needs to play their part.

This is a health war. According to the cso there are 637,567 people over the age of 65... add to that the number of people with underlying conditions with would take the number to over a million you would say...

13% of the population are over 65. Add underlying conditionins and...

Cumulative numbers suggest around 20% of the population ‘could’ have the lives classed as ‘at risk’ if infected, this is why no let up for the greed mongers and attention seekers.

igCorcaigh · 06-09-2020 04:20PM

That's a big jump in UK cases.
An issue with the testing?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1302625431447887875?s=19

skallywag · 06-09-2020 04:22PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually the wider population is not in danger, a small minority however are.

A small minority? Maths is not your strongest skill I'd say, is it? Have you any idea what % of our population is, say, over 60?

Strumms · 06-09-2020 04:25PM

skallywag wrote: »

A small minority? Maths is not your strongest skill I'd say, is it? Have you any idea what % of our population is, say, over 60?

To put it mildly. But you can see this posters very obvious agenda from word go, weird quite frankly.

spookwoman · 06-09-2020 04:25PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't actually, I believe young people have done what is asked of them to date but expecting them to continue to restrict their lives is a big ask imho.

Why is their lives more important than the rest of us? Why is it a big ask for them think of other peoples lives?
The hospital numbers are creeping up, corridors are starting to get filled with trolleys and it's only September. Few more months and the winter hospitalizations start, add in the cumulative affect of those that are not getting treatment for other conditions at the moment, plus a dash of lack of compliance and we could see some serious problems in our hospitals.

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 04:30PM

"Wet Pub" guidelines

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0906/1163545-pubs-guidelines/

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 04:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

"Wet Pub" guidelines

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0906/1163545-pubs-guidelines/

Almost a case of why bother, lot of bars would only have room for 5or 6 people

normanoffside · 06-09-2020 04:34PM

is_that_so wrote: »

"Wet Pub" guidelines

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0906/1163545-pubs-guidelines/

What was the point of the whole thing about recording food purchases if the pubs were going to open in a few weeks anyway, making that redundant?

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 04:34PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Why is their lives more important than the rest of us? Why is it a big ask for them think of other peoples lives?
The hospital numbers are creeping up, corridors are starting to get filled with trolleys and it's only September. Few more months and the winter hospitalizations start, add in the cumulative affect of those that are not getting treatment for other conditions at the moment, plus a dash of lack of compliance and we could see some serious problems in our hospitals.

We can't assume that what we do is what everyone else can or will do. Some people have not dealt very well with this 6-7 month hiatus in their lives and we've all had slips. This cracking in the resolve is a natural phenomenon and was mentioned and anticipated way back in March.

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 04:36PM

normanoffside wrote: »

What was the point of the whole thing about recording food purchases if the pubs were going to open in a few weeks anyway, making that redundant?

It's for the "tiny number" who are flouting it otherwise it's just the government responding to media stories.

niallo27 · 06-09-2020 04:37PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Why is their lives more important than the rest of us? Why is it a big ask for them think of other peoples lives?
The hospital numbers are creeping up, corridors are starting to get filled with trolleys and it's only September. Few more months and the winter hospitalizations start, add in the cumulative affect of those that are not getting treatment for other conditions at the moment, plus a dash of lack of compliance and we could see some serious problems in our hospitals.

Simply because the vast majority probably don't even know anyone who has tested positive never mind get sick from it and even fewer know anyone that died from it. Telling the younger generation to give up their social lives for something that has had zero affect for the vast vast majority of them indefinitely is an impossible ask. Maybe if we had an end game or an end death we might have a chance.

podgeandrodge · 06-09-2020 04:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

"Wet Pub" guidelines

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0906/1163545-pubs-guidelines/

sounds like it will be even worse, still the 105 minute nonsense and now time of arrival to enforce? :rolleyes:

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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