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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #6722
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Yeah there's a new law just signed in that says you have to justify anything worrying about the virus to that individual poster. It's a huge workload for them to have to go through all the data, but they put in the really long slog at great personal cost and it's all worth it to make the virus a positive experience for this thread.

    It's not a law but if you are going to make a claim it's a common expectation to be asked for evidence of said claim.
    The rest of your post is your usual sniping personal commentary which adds nothing tbh.


  • #6723
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's not a law but if you are going to make a claim it's a common expectation to be asked for evidence of said claim.
    The rest of your post is your usual sniping personal commentary which adds nothing tbh.

    It's in today's Sunday independent for the third time


  • #6724
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    It's in today's Sunday independent for the third time

    So no evidence to back up your claim. Grand, I'll leave it at that.


  • #6725
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    It's in today's Sunday independent for the third time
    Having done extensive research, 2m via Google, my conclusion is that they have used that German study data!


  • #6726
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So no evidence to back up your claim. Grand, I'll leave it at that.

    ??.

    Ok no bother. Have a good day


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  • #6727
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So basically it's a mild condition for healthy people.

    Sure.... let's let it rip through the country and all take our chances.:rolleyes:


  • #6728
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Sure.... let's let it rip through the country and all take our chances.:rolleyes:

    Hate to break it to you but what exactly do you think is happening? As we open up the virus spreads, fortunately it's younger people who are getting it at the moment with little adverse affects. The only way you stop the vulnerable getting it is a total lockdown until a vaccine which is effective is found.


  • #6729
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Hate to break it to you but what exactly do you think is happening? As we open up the virus spreads, fortunately it's younger people who are getting it at the moment with little adverse affects. The only way you stop the vulnerable getting it is a total lockdown until a vaccine which is effective is found.

    Ok no bother. Have a good day


  • #6730
    Roots 2020
    Closed Accounts Posts: 478 ✭✭Roots 2020


    I thought Ronan Glynn was very good on the Late Late on Friday.

    He basically said we are in control at the moment. It's massive psychologically to have children back to school. However anyone speaking in absolutes like, the virus will be gone by a certain date, the deaths are going to remain low, we are in for a terrible winter etc have no credibility. We just don't know. I love when someone has the honesty to say we just don't know. But we'll deal with it. No panic.


  • #6731
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How do we know this if we aren't testing people coming in? There could be loads of asymptomatic people coming in making others sick and causing outbreaks.

    Also, is this 2/3% the percentage of travel related cases throughout the whole pandemic? If so, fairly useless if it’s including a few months when there was barely any travel.


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  • #6732
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    I thought Ronan Glynn was very good on the Late Late on Friday.

    He basically said we are in control at the moment. It's massive psychologically to have children back to school. However anyone speaking in absolutes like, the virus will be gone by a certain date, the deaths are going to remain low, we are in for a terrible winter etc have no credibility. We just don't know. I love when someone has the honesty to say we just don't know. But we'll deal with it. No panic.

    We don't know..

    We hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

    We do know testing is no where near other countries in the world or some in europe. To me this is an easy win as more testing helps lift all boats. It helps health of country, socially and economically. We should be literally pouring money into this area. Looking to Germany and others...


  • #6733
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Ireland likely to face a similar pattern to France and Spain where it is slowly becoming more serious

    https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1302285808783839234


  • #6734
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    A big worry to whom?
    As the country opens up numbers increase yet hospital numbers are low. The younger demographic getting infected and their experience shows the virus is not as dangerous as first thought unless one has underlying conditions.

    I'm guessing to anyone who is elderly or has a health issue already but not limited to them


  • #6735
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Ireland likely to face a similar pattern to France and Spain where it is slowly becoming more serious

    https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1302285808783839234

    Not sure your right. These countries are over 10 times our population. I think the bigger the country in general the harder to control. Look at USA, India. Vast populations with different trends and waves going on in one country. Relatively easier with a small population with the sea as mostly as our borders. Imagine a leader trying to tell a billion people please stay away from others while many of them are living pay cheque to.pay cheque. That is going to literally just rip through the country with no restraint. At least we are able to slow it down a lot better.


  • #6736
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Ireland likely to face a similar pattern to France and Spain where it is slowly becoming more serious

    https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1302285808783839234

    Lots of cases no sick ppl.


  • #6737
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I'm guessing to anyone who is elderly or has a health issue already but not limited to them

    Hopefully they will protect themselves to the best of their abilities and use the available advice.


  • #6738
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Hopefully they will protect themselves to the best of their abilities and use the available advice.

    I do hope so but i'm not super hopeful. Next few weeks might be a bit rocky but there are small signs the virus might be less deadly. Fingers crossed.


  • #6739
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    DangerScouse wrote: »
    I do hope so but i'm not super hopeful. Next few weeks might be a bit rocky but there are small signs the virus might be less deadly. Fingers crossed.

    Omg I know, the next two weeks are so crucial.
    Fingers and eyes crossed in hope.


  • #6740
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Omg I know, the next two weeks are so crucial.
    Fingers and eyes crossed in hope.

    Eyes?

    Eh okay.


  • #6741
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    It has been reported that 8 percent of children had persistent symptoms one month after infection.

    Also reported that 87 percent hospitalised patients still had symptoms AFTER two months.

    Crazy stuff


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  • #6742
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    It has been reported that 8 percent of children had persistent symptoms one month after infection.

    Also reported that 87 percent hospitalised patients still had symptoms AFTER two months.

    Crazy stuff

    8% of how many children?
    87% of how many hospitalised patients.
    Where do these figures apply to Ireland, America, outer Mongolia.
    Absolutely meaningless without the study/report where you took them from.


  • #6743
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    8% of how many children?
    87% of how many hospitalised patients.
    Where do these figures apply to Ireland, America, outer Mongolia.
    Absolutely meaningless without the study/report where you took them from.

    Sunday independent. We've had this conversation already. You said you were done. Please dont respond to my posts if you can't be civil


  • #6744
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    8% of how many children?
    87% of how many hospitalised patients.
    Where do these figures apply to Ireland, America, outer Mongolia.
    Absolutely meaningless without the study/report where you took them from.

    Sunday independent. We've had this conversation already. You said you were done. Please dont respond to my posts if you can't be civil.

    Professor Luke O Neill wrote the article if that helps.


  • #6745
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Sunday independent. We've had this conversation already. You said you were done. Please dont respond to my posts if you can't be civil

    You are throwing out figures without evidence to back them up. Asking for a source to your claims is not uncivil, saying the Independent is meaningless.


  • #6746
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Onesea wrote: »
    Lots of cases no sick ppl.

    Past 4 weeks in Ireland we had 2947 new cases. In the same time we've had 65 hospital admissions. So running at about 2.2% hospitalization rate.
    Obviously much less than the peak, but still sick people.


  • #6747
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The only way you stop the vulnerable getting it is a total lockdown until a vaccine which is effective is found.
    If everyone did their bit to reduce spread the vulnerable will be better protected, until we have a vaccine. Anything else is a lazy cop-out.


  • #6748
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Onesea wrote: »
    Lots of cases no sick ppl.

    https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1302289057129656320

    The Thread clearly illustrates why it is slower this time. As we all know we have very limited hospital capacity so restrictions likely to be with us for quite a while.

    Corona deaths in France:
    - week to 3rd September: 130
    - week to 16th March (date of lockdown): 123

    But I think both headbanging "It's Only Cases Twitter" and bedwetting "Stay Locked Down Forever Twitter" are both wrong, and you can see why if you look at the numbers correctly.


  • #6749
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Cancel Xmas

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/europe-warned-of-deadly-december-as-virus-may-kill-four-million-globally-by-end-of-the-year-39504823.html


  • #6750
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Past 4 weeks in Ireland we had 2947 new cases. In the same time we've had 65 hospital admissions. So running at about 2.2% hospitalization rate.
    Obviously much less than the peak, but still sick people.

    Yes but what is a hospital admission?

    Broken foot tested for covid and came up positive.

    Got covid while in hospital for something else.

    Brought into hospital as a precaution

    Admitted and discharged in a day due to panic from patient.

    All of the above does happen and none of thee above means this is really serious.

    Hospital admissions is weak enough indicator of serious illness.

    ICU and deaths much better indicators.


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  • #6751
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    hmmm wrote: »
    If everyone did their bit to reduce spread the vulnerable will be better protected, until we have a vaccine. Anything else is a lazy cop-out.

    Expecting others to protect you is also a cop out. Personal responsibility comes into it. It's very difficult to convince young people to limit their lives for something that doesn't really impact them.


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