Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

landofthetree · 06-09-2020 10:56AM

peterofthebr wrote: »

So with the cases up in France is this a weeker strain then 6 months ago?

Hopefully but there is no scientific evidence to show it so far.

caveat emptor · 06-09-2020 10:56AM

Very good article on how skiing in Austria effectively seeded the outbreaks in lots of countries. They didn't listen to public health guidelines and kept bars opened. Only when the Austrian chancellor announced the whole valley would be quarantined did bars shut. It led to mass exodus, with people on buses that normally take 40 mins taking 7 hours.
6000 people launching class action suit.
Wonder if we'll see anything like that here.
Also cancelling the parade was good.
Not doing it before a lot of people travelled was not so good.

https://twitter.com/philipoltermann/status/1302167222102695938?s=20

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 10:58AM

owlbethere wrote: »

If many people knew the main reason for washing hands during the pandemic is to protect others, it would be aborted and stopped. Huge 'me fein' attitude in the population.

You have an extremely warped view of society. Look around at all the sacrifices people are making every day for the betterment of society. I would hate to live with the mindset you display.

mandrake04 · 06-09-2020 11:01AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Ireland could face 10,000 coronavirus cases a day by Christmas if measures are not put in place to stop its spread, an expert warned yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/ireland-could-face-10000-coronavirus-18886275.amp

Killeen is completely OTT, I seriously doubt it would be anything like 10,000 a day. December is going be an extremely worrying and stressful time and I have no doubt that there will be way more cases per day than currently but not 10K. LOL

06-09-2020 11:12AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Other theory is that it was spreading in France (and other places) late last year, maybe to same extent as it is now, but with zero testing and >20 daily deaths, it was under the radar. This would arguably be good news, as if it starts ramping up to where they were in March/April in death numbers, we’d likely see 10x/20x/Nx the cases they had back then, meaning IFR is lower.

I honestly don't know which theory is right although comforting to see lots of cases and little serious cases/deaths. Either scenario is good. Ivor Cummins seems to think this is natural course of a disease such as covid. Most peope have died at this stage and decent immunity built in the population. Corona now another endemic illness that will kill most vulnerable in society much like the flu. He is questioning need for vaccines at all?

Santy2015 · 06-09-2020 11:15AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Ireland could face 10,000 coronavirus cases a day by Christmas if measures are not put in place to stop its spread, an expert warned yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/ireland-could-face-10000-coronavirus-18886275.amp

I’ll say this again!! GERRY KILLEEN is a troll!! He’s been on a self inflicted drug binge since this all started. Man is away with the fairies. Take anything he says with a pinch of salt! I’d actually go as far as saying he needs to be looked after for his own sake.

s1ippy · 06-09-2020 11:18AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cork did a Killarney on it last night, outrage and sore cheeks imminent..

Any evidence?

Widdensushi · 06-09-2020 11:18AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Ireland could face 10,000 coronavirus cases a day by Christmas if measures are not put in place to stop its spread, an expert warned yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/ireland-could-face-10000-coronavirus-18886275.amp

Expert in Scaremongering, it will get the sales though, irresponsible journalism.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 06-09-2020 11:24AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Dark days ahead guys. The specter of death will loom closer as the nights get darker and colder. We will watch every evening on RTE as the death numbers creep back up, a growing sense of fear and terror will envelop us as sound of the grim reaper sharpening his scythe becomes clearer going forward. It’s going to be a tough winter but I am confident that our leadership will steer the course through it all, holding firm to keep us as safe as possible. namaste

how YOU doin ?

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 11:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course the plan was to test 100000.

Why say it otherwise?

There was weeks in the summer we should have been testing far more.

Paul Reid is a spoofer. Reminds me a second hand car sales man.

The testing is creaking at levels way below hses claim of 100000 and that's all it is a claim until proven by system.

The HSE is more than just the tests and the tests are available capacity not committed tests. It's also not something they throw together in a few months. As Henry said way back in April it would ordinarily take them months and months to put such a system in place. The HSE itself is a creaking wreck, which needs to be replaced with something a lot better. so far , given the situation, he hasn't done too badly.

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 11:26AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Any evidence?

It's on facebook can't share the link... around midnight last night looked like hillbilly's direction.

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 11:26AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Ireland could face 10,000 coronavirus cases a day by Christmas if measures are not put in place to stop its spread, an expert warned yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/ireland-could-face-10000-coronavirus-18886275.amp

Killeen again. At least he seems to have come down from the 60,000 deaths.

ednwireland · 06-09-2020 11:28AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Ireland could face 10,000 coronavirus cases a day by Christmas if measures are not put in place to stop its spread, an expert warned yesterday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/ireland-could-face-10000-coronavirus-18886275.amp

killeen is funded by pharmaceutical companies and has a book out. objective he isnt

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2020 11:32AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What deaths Paddy? 99.9% of us won't die from it better chance of piano falling on you. Early mistakes and high deaths won't be repeated. You can get down from the lookout tower.

He's taking the p**s

06-09-2020 11:32AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The HSE is more than just the tests and the tests are available capacity not committed tests. It's also not something they throw together in a few months. As Henry said way back in April it would ordinarily take them months and months to put such a system in place. The HSE itself is a creaking wreck, which needs to be replaced with something a lot better. so far , given the situation, he hasn't done too badly.

As WHO says test,test,test.

Get on with it then hse and stop dismantling testing capacity to take summer holidays. They have had 6 months!!!

They should have used the summer to keep up testing high risk areas. Hopefully lessons learned. We should all be tested regularly in the near future when testing technology/capacity improves. Thats how we claim our old lives back.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 11:34AM

If I had the inclination I'd go back over all of Killeen's projections for this disease since February and I'd be pretty sure he got it completely wrong. Why he still gets coverage is beyond me.

podgeandrodge · 06-09-2020 11:35AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

For any fans of Michael McNamara, chair of the Dáil Covid committee, lawyer and relentless self-publicist:
'McNamara was driving the 1.1 km distance from Scarriff to his home at Tobernagath, Scarriff at 2.05 am on 10 December 2016...He said that he didn’t hear the siren of the Garda car in pursuit as he was playing quite loudly a CD from ‘Oliver’

In evidence, Garda Darren McLoughlin told the court that in the 80 km/h zone leading out of Scarriff, he was doing 100 km/h in order to keep up with McNamara’s car.

Michael McNamara told the district court that he was “utterly and completely shocked” when pepper sprayed by a garda outside his home in December 2016.'

One rule for them.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mcnamara-driving-4366059-Nov2018/

Not sure what relevance of this was to Covid, but seen as it was posted - never heard of him but

"McNamara was driving the 1.1 km distance..."

"didn't hear the siren of the Garda car in pursuit.."

Garda said that in the "80 km/h zone leading out of Scarriff, he was doing 100 km/h in order to keep up with McNamara’s car"

He said that in the bends that followed during the pursuit on the narrow road “at all times, I found it very hard to maintain control of the car going around the corners”.

That all reads very odd. Where did they start the pursuit - if they clocked him speeding in a 1.1 km journey? I wouldn't have thought 100kmph in an 80kmph zone would have attracted too much attention, and by the garda's statement, it seems irresponsible of him to have been driving in a manner in which he could hardly control his car. Odd, perhaps there is more to this.

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 11:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

As WHO says test,test,test.

Get on with it then hse and stop dismantling testing capacity to take summer holidays.

They should have used the summer to keep up testing high risk areas. Hopefully lessons learned. We should all be tested regularly in the near future when testing technology/capacity improves. Thats how we claim our old lives back.

Blindly testing is a complete waste of resources. That's what we had back in the early days with all the hypochondriacs being tested for feeling off. Current testing, apart from daily demand, is targeted on sectors we know can be problematic. The problem at present is less about the testing and more about the far higher numbers of contacts. If it's at 6-10 per person then it should be easy enough, even with contacts of contacts. If it's at the 50 that Glynn mentioned then they really have their work cut out for them. Add in people not contacting GPs immediately and others not isolating and this disease will chug on for a fair while longer.

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 11:43AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

If I had the inclination I'd go back over all of Killeen's projections for this disease since February and I'd be pretty sure he got it completely wrong. Why he still gets coverage is beyond me.

Polarising opinions are good for media coverage and he is an "expert"!

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2020 11:46AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

For any fans of Michael McNamara, chair of the Dáil Covid committee, lawyer and relentless self-publicist:

'McNamara was driving the 1.1 km distance from Scarriff to his home at Tobernagath, Scarriff at 2.05 am on 10 December 2016...He said that he didn’t hear the siren of the Garda car in pursuit as he was playing quite loudly a CD from ‘Oliver’

'Consider Yourself' likely a particular favourite:P

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 11:48AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

'Consider Yourself' likely a particular favourite:P

Gotta pick a pocket or twoowhooo!

DangerScouse · 06-09-2020 11:48AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

I’ll say this again!! GERRY KILLEEN is a troll!! He’s been on a self inflicted drug binge since this all started. Man is away with the fairies. Take anything he says with a pinch of salt! I’d actually go as far as saying he needs to be looked after for his own sake.

Have you any evidence of this as that's a very serious libelous statement to make in a public forum.

s1ippy · 06-09-2020 11:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Blindly testing is a complete waste of resources. That's what we had back in the early days with all the hypochondriacs being tested for feeling off. Current testing, apart from daily demand, is targeted on sectors we know can be problematic. The problem at present is less about the testing and more about the far higher numbers of contacts. If it's at 6-10 per person then it should be easy enough, even with contacts of contacts. If it's at the 50 that Glynn mentioned then they really have their work cut out for them. Add in people not contacting GPs immediately and others not isolating and this disease will chug on for a fair while longer.

Obviously it's so much higher because schools are back. It's outrageous how they make no effort to reduce numbers in classrooms, cram thousands into buildings and then blame the high numbers of close contacts on the public for socialising. Most people haven't been fucking anywhere, you'd nearly feel like giving them a dig in the face.

06-09-2020 11:52AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Blindly testing is a complete waste of resources. That's what we had back in the early days with all the hypochondriacs being tested for feeling off. Current testing, apart from daily demand, is targeted on sectors we know can be problematic. The problem at present is less about the testing and more about the far higher numbers of contacts. If it's at 6-10 per person then it should be easy enough, even with contacts of contacts. If it's at the 50 that Glynn mentioned then they really have their work cut out for them. Add in people not contacting GPs immediately and others not isolating and this disease will chug on for a fair while longer.

I disagree with you. We are still not testing near enough. Many other European countries are testing a lot of incoming people to the country. We are not doing this. We are still too reactionary. HSE sat on their backsides with testing for two months while other countries used this time more wisely and were ramping up testing at airports and meats plants. In Greece every second passenger into the country is tested. For a country that is on paper much poorer they are making a much better job of dealing with covid and testing than us. We should be doing better at testing and we are not world class at testing as hse claim. HSE must do better in this area to help their nurses and doctors they claim they are so concerned about.

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 11:54AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Obviously it's so much higher because schools are back. It's outrageous how they make no effort to reduce numbers in classrooms, cram thousands into buildings and then blame the high numbers of close contacts on the public for socialising. Most people haven't been fucking anywhere, you'd nearly feel like giving them a dig in the face.

The argument is that schools have the scope to be well controlled. Even so we will get cases there. As long as they remain fairly isolated like the ones to date that should keep the schools open. The repeated exhortations by Glynn to minimise contacts suggests that is really where the problem lies.

is_that_so · 06-09-2020 11:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree with you. We are still not testing near enough. Many other European countries are testing a lot of incoming people to the country. We are not doing this. We are still too reactionary. HSE sat on their backsides with testing for two months while other countries used this time more wisely and were ramping up testing at airports and meats plants. In Greece every second passenger into the country is tested.

Again at 3% of cases travel related, a waste of time and resources.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 11:59AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cork did a Killarney on it last night, outrage and sore cheeks imminent..

Young people behaving like young people I assume?

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 12:00PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Obviously it's so much higher because schools are back. It's outrageous how they make no effort to reduce numbers in classrooms, cram thousands into buildings and then blame the high numbers of close contacts on the public for socialising. Most people haven't been fucking anywhere, you'd nearly feel like giving them a dig in the face.

It's easy to attack from the sidelines, what's your plan for schools? Go on interested to know.

06-09-2020 12:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Again at 3% of cases travel related, a waste of time and resources.

How do we know this if we aren't testing people coming in? There could be loads of asymptomatic people coming in making others sick and causing outbreaks.

drunkmonkey · 06-09-2020 12:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Again at 3% of cases travel related, a waste of time and resources.

100% of cases are travel related, it didn't just magically appear at the end of a rainbow, after lockdown and pretty much suppression of the virus it had to come back via travel, I'm not believing the 3%.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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