Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 01:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ran a 10k in under 36 mins earlier this year.

Thats an amazing time

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 01:26AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Showing their true colours now.

True colours? Is what I said a lie, false or is realism not welcome?

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 01:26AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

You are not entirely correct.
First, only those who survived can talk so whoever died cant back or refute that statement.
Secondly, I have no doubt that there are people here who suffer from some serious medical condition (I am one of them by the way) who are prime example of "nature thinning the herd". Or am I mistaken?
This virus is not the only threat we face and not the only gun in nature's arsenal it seems.

We are beyond the point of "thinning the herd" in our society
We have amazing medicine and practices that differentiate us from the animals and humans of a 100 years ago
(unfortunately sometimes that means prolonging life way beyond what is humane for some people but that is another discussion)

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 01:27AM

cadaliac wrote: »

I don't think the original idea was to protect the weakest, it is to protect all people.
Yes we need to protect the weakest but....do you not think we should protect everyone?

My personal take is that we tried to protect everyone by pretending that what we did was to protect the vulnerable.
We used incorrect approach and still focus on unimportant things.

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 01:32AM

fritzelly wrote: »

We are beyond the point of "thinning the herd" in our society
We have amazing medicine and practices that differentiate us from the animals and humans of a 100 years ago
(unfortunately sometimes that means prolonging life way beyond what is humane for some people but that is another discussion)

Well we still do not know and perhaps will never know if it was nature or human stupidity as opinions on this differ greatly but to me personally this argument of "protecting the vulnerable" seems more like an insult considering what really happened. Vulnerable and old people were pretty much sacrificed and a lot of them already died because of choices we took trying to "protect them".

joeguevara · 06-09-2020 01:33AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

My personal take is that we tried to protect everyone by pretending that what we did was to protect the vulnerable.
We used incorrect approach and still focus on unimportant things.

What do you think are the important things we should focus on and what should we stop?
This is an honest question as I agree there are things that we should stop

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 01:34AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Does that include your 'son's' partner who needed a kidney?

Not sure of the 'does that include...I had a response typed out but I deleted it so I'll turn it back .Kindly explain your use of my son's situation to make a point and it's relevance.. ' we have as a species managed to get one over nature in certain regards, pharmaceuticals, new procedures etc but nature still throws up something new.

06-09-2020 01:36AM

fritzelly wrote: »

We are beyond the point of "thinning the herd" in our society
We have amazing medicine and practices that differentiate us from the animals and humans of a 100 years ago
(unfortunately sometimes that means prolonging life way beyond what is humane for some people but that is another discussion)

Agree science/medicine will solve this bar the extremely frail who would die anyway. At the moment this is a threat to people who have many years ahead otherwise.

cadaliac · 06-09-2020 01:36AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

My personal take is that we tried to protect everyone by pretending that what we did was to protect the vulnerable.
We used incorrect approach and still focus on unimportant things.

"We" are in uncharted waters. I don't want to believe that we did X or Y to protect the vulnerable. I think that we did the best we could to protect everyone.
The pretending remark is just that, a remark.

Curious_Case · 06-09-2020 01:36AM

"Survival of the fittest" is a sometimes misunderstood term.

It refers to a species surviving, despite changing circumstances, thanks to their adaptability.

It does not refer to the weakest being disproportionately affected by a common threat.

Obviously, those that survive a threat will be, by definition, more resilient to it but that's a subtly different point.

B.A._Baracus · 06-09-2020 01:37AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No offense but you are projecting your thought process on me, not how life works. I'm fully aware of my mortality and that of the people close to me. A few years in the Fire service negates romantic notions of a beautiful existence. I value what I have but I'm pragmatic , I know it doesn't last.

Honestly I don't think I am projecting anything.

However the expression is often used when people are talking about others.

**Edit
I have read other posts by you and I think you're full of it.

patnor1011 wrote: »

You are not entirely correct.
First, only those who survived can talk so whoever died cant back or refute that statement.
Secondly, I have no doubt that there are people here who suffer from some serious medical condition (I am one of them by the way) who are prime example of "nature thinning the herd". Or am I mistaken?
This virus is not the only threat we face and not the only gun in nature's arsenal it seems.

Sorry but I don't get what you're saying. Maybe I'm being a little stupid right now.

Nature sucks tho.

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 01:37AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Well we still do not know and perhaps will never know if it was nature or human stupidity as opinions on this differ greatly but to me personally this argument of "protecting the vulnerable" seems more like an insult considering what really happened. Vulnerable and old people were pretty much sacrificed and a lot of them already died because of choices we took trying to "protect them".

There is a lot to study for future generations on how if locking down nursing homes was good or bad
So many questions...
Did some give up the will to live with no contact - very serious question
How many would have died of natural causes
Would the virus have got in regardless if we made nursing homes like a prison
And many other questions...
Italy's nursing homes got decimated, we got off lightly in comparison - due in much part to the care of the staff unlike the one nursing home in Italy where the staff abandoned them

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 01:41AM

joeguevara wrote: »

What do you think are the important things we should focus on and what should we stop?
This is an honest question as I agree there are things that we should stop

I am not going to pretend I know a way out of this mess.
But to my opinion we need to focus on trying to restart our healthcre to be accessible to everyone again and not simply covid focused. We were on the brink of collapse even before covid with years long waiting lists and people on corridors and troleys and this situation did not helped only made it worse.
If we want to function as a country and society we also have to focus on restarting schools and salvaging what is left of economy.

I mean "protecting vulnerable" is such nice talking point and can make everyone warm and fuzzy not to mention it is modern to look woke but we need to understand that vulnerable people are vulnerable, not demented. They already know what is good for them and what not, and can decide what risks they want to take or avoid.
We can not dismiss everything by hiding behind nice but empty slogans.

We should probably keep masks as long as we can but let us stop from spewing sulphur on people who can not or will not wear them and for the love of god let us drop thinking about mask fines or substantial meals.

DevilsHaircut · 06-09-2020 01:41AM

The 'herd immunity' crowd are getting increasingly hysterical.

Their main worry is the prospect of having to pay more tax at some point in the future.

Thankfully, they are a tiny proportion of the Irish population, although they're severely over-represented on this thread and Boards.ie generally.

The latest Department of Health/Amárach survey found that:

56% of respondents said the Government response was “appropriate”
36% said it was insufficient,
only 9% said the Government restrictions were too extreme

They have nowhere else to go but to vent here.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 01:41AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Well we still do not know and perhaps will never know if it was nature or human stupidity as opinions on this differ greatly but to me personally this argument of "protecting the vulnerable" seems more like an insult considering what really happened. Vulnerable and old people were pretty much sacrificed and a lot of them already died because of choices we took trying to "protect them".

Our state agencies watched on as the sh*tstorm became apparent in Italy and which demographic was most at risk. The emptying of hospital beds into nursing homes without testing commenced. Nursing homes restricted visitors Dr T . Holohan ( whom many would be happy see declared a national hero) castigated them for restricting visitors and said they should not act unilaterally.

owlbethere · 06-09-2020 01:43AM

screamer wrote: »

The longer this goes on, the more I see we are not in this together, it’s everyone for themselves. I’m pretty sick of the fighting about who is right and who is wrong. We’re still learning and people are trying their best. My life and my family’s lives are worth more than not wearing a mask or sanitising hands. I’ve secured a decent supply of fpp2 and fpp3 masks and I use them to protect me, and I put them on the kids to protect them. I’ve also got a large stock of decent sanitizer and we are regimented about sanitising hands when out and about. I am happy that I am doing the right thing for us, I don’t really care about others anymore, I protect my own, let others do as they please. It’s our health and lives in the balance so if people are happy with the choices they make, leave them off. I’m protected best as I can be, and that’s all that matters to me.

Agreed. The main reason that handwashing is pushed on the population, its to slow the spread of your own germs and fluids. I'd say the majof people washing their hands are doing it because they are afraid of picking up germs on their hands. If many people knew the main reason for washing hands during the pandemic is to protect others, it would be aborted and stopped. Huge 'me fein' attitude in the population.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 01:44AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The 'herd immunity' crowd are getting increasingly hysterical.

Their main worry is the prospect of having to pay more tax at some point in the future.

Thankfully, they are a tiny proportion of the Irish population, although they're severely over-represented on this thread and Boards.ie generally.

The latest Department of Health/Amárach survey found that:
56% of respondents said the Government response was “appropriate”

36% said it was insufficient,

only 9% said the Government restrictions were too extreme

They have nowhere else to go but to vent here.

Yet government is going to open more in the coming weeks despite the amarach poll. I wonder are financial considerations secretly taken poll position?

DevilsHaircut · 06-09-2020 01:45AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not sure of the 'does that include...I had a response typed out but I deleted it so I'll turn it back .Kindly explain your use of my son's situation to make a point and it's relevance.. ' we have as a species managed to get one over nature in certain regards, pharmaceuticals, new procedures etc but nature still throws up something new.

The existence of your son is as much of a mystery as the existence of your two wives.

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 01:49AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The latest Department of Health/Amárach survey found that:

They have nowhere else to go but to vent here.

I would very much like to see the stats of that survey - when it was originally posted it was ridiculed by many
(conspiracy head on - Glynn wants the country closed and the poll agrees with him)

patnor1011 · 06-09-2020 01:51AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The latest Department of Health/Amárach survey found that:
56% of respondents said the Government response was “appropriate”

36% said it was insufficient,

only 9% said the Government restrictions were too extreme

We all knows how much are polls worth. They mostly favor opinions of those who pay for them.
Most notable cases like brexit, hillary or political parties in general before elections...

cadaliac · 06-09-2020 01:52AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Agreed. The main reason that handwashing is pushed on the population, its to slow the spread of your own germs and fluids. I'd say the majof people washing their hands are doing it because they are afraid of picking up germs on their hands. If many people knew the main reason for washing hands during the pandemic is to protect others, it would be aborted and stopped. Huge 'me fein' attitude in the population.

Wrong. Speak for yourself.
I for 1 think we want to help others along with myself and my family.
Arrogant statement -don't include me in your broad sweeping statements again.

Curious_Case · 06-09-2020 01:52AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The latest Department of Health/Amárach survey found that:
56% of respondents said the Government response was “appropriate”

36% said it was insufficient,

only 9% said the Government restrictions were too extreme

But what do the percentages tell us about which opinion is most accurate ???

DevilsHaircut · 06-09-2020 01:59AM

For any fans of Michael McNamara, chair of the Dáil Covid committee, lawyer and relentless self-publicist:

'McNamara was driving the 1.1 km distance from Scarriff to his home at Tobernagath, Scarriff at 2.05 am on 10 December 2016...He said that he didn’t hear the siren of the Garda car in pursuit as he was playing quite loudly a CD from ‘Oliver’

In evidence, Garda Darren McLoughlin told the court that in the 80 km/h zone leading out of Scarriff, he was doing 100 km/h in order to keep up with McNamara’s car.

Michael McNamara told the district court that he was “utterly and completely shocked” when pepper sprayed by a garda outside his home in December 2016.'

One rule for them.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mcnamara-driving-4366059-Nov2018/

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 02:00AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The existence of your son is as much of a mystery as the existence of your two wives.

Maybe I'm a Mormon? Who knows.Why would having a son be a mystery? Reproduction is quite simple, although if you don't understand there are many resources available on the topic. It's amusing to see you and another poster revert to mentioning the two wives when you can't counter my comment, a lack of intellectual ability prehaps?
Although I did offer an explanation about the two wives comment. Feel free to search.

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 02:01AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

For any fans of Michael McNamara, chair of the Dáil Covid committee, lawyer and relentless self-publicist:
'McNamara was driving the 1.1 km distance from Scarriff to his home at Tobernagath, Scarriff at 2.05 am on 10 December 2016...He said that he didn’t hear the siren of the Garda car in pursuit as he was playing quite loudly a CD from ‘Oliver’

In evidence, Garda Darren McLoughlin told the court that in the 80 km/h zone leading out of Scarriff, he was doing 100 km/h in order to keep up with McNamara’s car.

Michael McNamara told the district court that he was “utterly and completely shocked” when pepper sprayed by a garda outside his home in December 2016.'

One rule for them.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mcnamara-driving-4366059-Nov2018/

The above has what got to do with the present governments reaction to Covid?
The offence happened in 2016, smear campaign in operation it seems because he dared challenge the narrative.

DevilsHaircut · 06-09-2020 02:03AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Maybe I'm a Mormon? Who knows.Why would having a son be a mystery? Reproduction is quite simple, although if you don't understand there are many resources available on the topic. It's amusing to see you and another poster revert to mentioning the two wives when you can't counter my comment, a lack of intellectual ability prehaps?
Although I did offer an explanation about the two wives comment. Feel free to search.

You are a liar.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 02:04AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Our state agencies watched on as the sh*tstorm became apparent in Italy and which demographic was most at risk. The emptying of hospital beds into nursing homes without testing commenced. Nursing homes restricted visitors Dr T . Holohan ( whom many would be happy see declared a national hero) castigated them for restricting visitors and said they should not act unilaterally.

It has been proven that nursing homes infections took place many many weeks after the community spread. The visitor restrictions taking place earlier would not have stopped the spread, it's common knowledge that HCW brought the virus into nursing homes.

Had we have been hit as badly as Italy, I can only imagine the uproar if the hospitals were filled with elderly patients and ambulance crews were triaging young patients in their homes as the hospitals were full. Maybe the government thought the hospitals would be filled with corona patients and the safest thing would be to discharge all the elderly quickly as their risk in hospital being infected was so much?
You have to remember, there were prefab morgues setup on hospital grounds, that's how serious it was taken. Maybe one day, the people will realize what the government, HSE and all government agencies actually did in the first month or so of the pandemic, it was unprecedented. They done years work in a matter of weeks.

A once in a lifetime pandemic, you would be mad to think any country can cope without mistakes. Especially in the West, where we haven't had SARS etc...

fritzelly · 06-09-2020 02:06AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

A once in a lifetime pandemic, you would be mad to think any country can cope without mistakes. Especially in the West, where we haven't had SARS etc...

So say we all

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 02:09AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

You are a liar.

Yet you can't counter what I said . ;-)

Plumbthedepths · 06-09-2020 02:10AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It has been proven that nursing homes infections took place many many weeks after the community spread. The visitor restrictions taking place earlier would not have stopped the spread, it's common knowledge that HCW brought the virus into nursing homes.

Had we have been hit as badly as Italy, I can only imagine the uproar if the hospitals were filled with elderly patients and ambulance crews were triaging young patients in their homes as the hospitals were full. Maybe the government thought the hospitals would be filled with corona patients and the safest thing would be to discharge all the elderly quickly as their risk in hospital being infected was so much?
You have to remember, there were prefab morgues setup on hospital grounds, that's how serious it was taken. Maybe one day, the people will realize what the government, HSE and all government agencies actually did in the first month or so of the pandemic, it was unprecedented. They done years work in a matter of weeks.

A once in a lifetime pandemic, you would be mad to think any country can cope without mistakes. Especially in the West, where we haven't had SARS etc...

I'm not a fan of history rewrites tbh.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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