Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is absolutely no evidence that non-surgical masks prevent the spread of any virus. Surgical masks have a filter which traps the virus. Ordinary masks do not.
In any enclosed space the air which is exhaled by an infective person contains the virus, mask or no mask, and will be inhaled by others in that enclosed space.
Maybe if we could get people to stop exhaling................?

The virus is known to be transmitted in droplets, masks catch droplets. Stop the bs and go back to twitter

Roger_007 wrote: »

In the early stages the official advice was that there was no benefit in wearing masks and that in fact mask-wearing could actually help to spread the virus. The rates of transmission dropped to very low levels without general mask-wearing.
It seems to me that the increase in mask-wearing has coincided with the increase in transmission of the virus.
Maybe the original advice on masks was correct after all?

It's very simple.

The rates of transmission dropped to very low levels because people were not mixing to anywhere near the same extent that they are now.

joeguevara wrote: »

Firstly they never said they were dangerous. Based on other flu viruses, evidence showed that unless infected wearing a mask provided no benefit. However this virus droplets are different to others and transmission is much more likely through aerosol because the droplets are smaller and spread further with coughs. And it wasn’t just our scientists it was worldwide. It was a new virus so until studied, relied on previous studies. But anyone who is anti mask won’t move on and sticks on outdated advice without any knowledge for the updated.

I think there is some rewriting history with what you say here plus some dubious statements.

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is absolutely no evidence that non-surgical masks prevent the spread of any virus. Surgical masks have a filter which traps the virus. Ordinary masks do not.
In any enclosed space the air which is exhaled by an infective person contains the virus, mask or no mask, and will be inhaled by others in that enclosed space.
Maybe if we could get people to stop exhaling................?

If we could get a select few it would certainly dial down the batshít!

Roger_007 wrote: »

In the early stages the official advice was that there was no benefit in wearing masks and that in fact mask-wearing could actually help to spread the virus. The rates of transmission dropped to very low levels without general mask-wearing.
It seems to me that the increase in mask-wearing has coincided with the increase in transmission of the virus.
Maybe the original advice on masks was correct after all?

And that advice came from Tony. Since he stepped down numbers have gone up also.

Roger_007 wrote: »

It is absolutely not known exactly how the virus is transmitted. I have heard various opinions but very little evidence. Everybody is just guessing.

See that is where you are wrong. Even biggest sceptics of aerosol transmission who were waiting for evidence that floating aerosol droplets contained active virus, got their evidence.

This is not opinion or something Jim Corr discusses. This is fact based evidence.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/a-smoking-gun-infectious-coronavirus-retrieved-from-hospital-air-1.4329428?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Fhealth-family%2Fa-smoking-gun-infectious-coronavirus-retrieved-from-hospital-air-1.4329428

boggerman1 wrote: »

Mask wearing became mandatory.hand washing at the shops went out the door.fairly simple to figure out.everyone hand washing and no face masks at the height of this in March and April and we managed to flatten the famous curve.but feck it I’m only a stupid farmer so what would I know versus the educated people on Twitter

In March and April we had no one in our homes . No restaurants open , no retail , no shopping centres , no B and Q or Ikea etc . .

Vicxas wrote: »

I was going to come on and theorise that the virus seems to have lost some of its killer instinct.

But Ireland seems to be an outlier in this respect. Worldwide deaths seem to be worse now than ever.

By God, we've cracked it.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

90,600 new cases in India. Holy ****.

That dip that worldwide cases seemed to be taking is turning around. 299k cases yesterday. Might cross 300k for today.

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Completely untrue.

In what way?

GooglePlus wrote: »

Not that high, it's the equivalent of the USA getting 20k in a day and that's not even taking the density into account. It's going to get much higher.

Hard to fathom the population. Let’s say for arguments sake they settle at 100,000 infections per day (and they’re catching all cases), it would still take 37 years to hit the entire population.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Is there any proper recent research to indicate that mask wearing is dangerous? Or pointless?

One under way at the moment, results imminent, what little science we have hasn't shown any real world benefit, in fact in parts of the UK where masks went on cases went up. Mask have their place but not they way we've mandated for them on the general public going about their day concious of distancing and confined spaces. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
Before masks were introduced it should have been based on facts with a measurable outcome.

joeguevara wrote: »

See that is where you are wrong. Even biggest sceptics of aerosol transmission who were waiting for evidence that floating aerosol droplets contained active virus, got their evidence.

This is not opinion or something Jim Corr discusses. This is fact based evidence.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/a-smoking-gun-infectious-coronavirus-retrieved-from-hospital-air-1.4329428?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Fhealth-family%2Fa-smoking-gun-infectious-coronavirus-retrieved-from-hospital-air-1.4329428

We've been there multiple times. And I'm actually kinda sick of repeating myself especially since I'm talking to a wall. But sure lets do it one more time.

In a lab scenario a live virus was found in hospital air or 5 metres away on a surface in a room full of covid patients.
This is the 'evidence' that covid is 'airborne'.

All it means that in principle, yes, covid can be 'airborne' in aerosol. (Although I dont think that even quite meets the definition of airborne)

But anyway, a room full of covid patients is hardly the same as the cheese aisle in fkn Lidl is it? Thats like saying man can go to the moon, its proven, and then concluding that I might bump into John and Mary on the moon next week. Ok I'm exaggerating obviously but what I'm saying is that the so-called evidence is circumstantial at best. Nobody has any idea if and when and how dangerous covid aerosol concentrations occur in real world scenarios. Not that I've seen it anyway.

But yet anyone who points this out is an idiot while the others are all speaking 'science'. You couldn't make it up actually.

All the while everyone can observe people fidgeting with masks. Touching their faces all the time. Which was the one thing we weren't supposed to do under any circumstance when out and about.

So yes while it may sound crazy but its not actually off the table that masks do more damage than they prevent.