2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

westdublin · 05-09-2020 08:02AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The "losers" story is obviously made up as a result of Trump gaining ground this week. Everything is from "sources", nothing concrete & no journalism is being done (part of the Atlantic story has already been debunked). If you take a look at unbiased polls, Trump has been playing a stormer this week, he is seen as tough against rioting & Americans see the riots as the Democrats fault. Biden has literally been playing catch up all week (look at him following trump to Kenosha like a puppy for example). Looking at the narrative in thread, its pretty obvious that there is noting going for Biden except lies. Hell, there's far more evidence of the Tara Read accusations that this baloney. As nuts as Trump might be, he would NEVER say that and nobody honestly believes he did either.

Can you link to some of these "unbiased polls" please.

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 08:20AM

He seems to have binge tweeted yesterday after Fox News confirmed The Atlantic story.

Breitbart was used multiple times.
Desperation is setting in.

Kidchameleon · 05-09-2020 08:25AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What part of The Atlantic story has been debunked?

From the article in question:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

"When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true."

This is a straight up lie. Official navy documents have been obtained that prove it is a lie. If the Atlantic LIE about this, why trust their other claims about Trump?

Navy documents reproduced here:

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/4/21422733/atlantic-trump-military-suckers-losers-explained

"I obtained documents from the Navy via #FOIA about Trump's 2018 trip to Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris and the documents say his transport was canceled by the Navy due to rain."

"Zachary Fuentes, a deputy White House chief of staff at the time, was the one who decided Trump shouldn’t travel by helicopter and assured the president it was okay to miss the event. And former National Security Adviser John Bolton wrote in his deeply unflattering-to-Trump book that the president didn’t go to the cemetery solely because of poor conditions."

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Trump has lied about calling McCain a loser

We'll technically he is a loser since his failed 2008 bid

but anyway, all the big players were attacking his character at the time, Democrat and Republican. Its a nothing burger.

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Fox News and the AP have both confirmed the quotes in The Atlantic story.

Hypothetical scenario... I could say Joe Biden is a pedophile. Fox and AP could confirm I said that but it doesn't mean its true.

dwayneshintzy · 05-09-2020 08:27AM

Chesley Sullenberger coming out (strongly) against Trump;

https://twitter.com/Captsully/status/1301998157404962823?s=19

ChikiChiki · 05-09-2020 09:03AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

how did he back up putin?

'it tragic its terrible, it shouldn't happen' - everyone feels the same

'we haven't had any proof yet' - do you expect him to condemn russia with no proof?

He switched the topic to China as quickly as he could. Does that really not concern you?

His behaviors when it comes to Russia display that of someone under sway. You don't need a news channel to tell you that. Use your own brain and formulate your own opinion.

Igotadose · 05-09-2020 09:14AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Chesley Sullenberger coming out (strongly) against Trump;

https://twitter.com/Captsully/status/1301998157404962823?s=19

Another prominent American tweets about the #IMPOTUS.

https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1301949096723386368

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 09:23AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

gaddafi and libya?

re my ME comments, lets perhaps forget those as i think they are incorrect.

Are you saying Obama invaded Libya?

lawred2 · 05-09-2020 09:32AM

What did Trump say exactly with this "losers and suckers" thing?

What was the context?

Surely even the Donald isn't as dim as to say something like that!?

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-09-2020 10:08AM

lawred2 wrote: »

What did Trump say exactly with this "losers and suckers" thing?

What was the context?

Surely even the Donald isn't as dim as to say something like that!?

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975330048167936?s=19

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975328961818626?s=19

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975321495973889?s=19

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975327749615616?s=19

https://twitter.com/JeffreyGoldberg/status/1301634784448438272?s=19

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-09-2020 10:44AM

A short video here explains it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqUWm63Mg

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 10:50AM

Notoriously anti trump publication makes up things he supposedly said years ago at a key time in an election year , shocking.

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 10:54AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Notoriously anti trump publication makes up things he supposedly said years ago at a key time in an election year , shocking.

Fox News?

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 10:56AM

Cody montana wrote: »

Fox News?

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

Kidchameleon · 05-09-2020 10:57AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A short video here explains it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqUWm63Mg

Havnt been able to watch the video. Will do later. Does it explain why the Atlantic article contains blatant lies & heresay?

duploelabs · 05-09-2020 11:03AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Havnt been able to watch the video. Will do later. Does it explain why the Atlantic article contains blatant lies & heresay?

What confirms your belief that the multi-sourced article that been published by many different outlets is 'blatent lies'?

Cody montana · 05-09-2020 11:05AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

Fox News Confirms Trump Called Veterans "Suckers" and "Losers"

Where does this fit in your little theory?

Brian? · 05-09-2020 11:07AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

Unnamed sources don't equal "no proof", the journalists are reporting what people from the Trump administration said, the sources simply aren't willing to be named. It's decent journalism to check multiple sources and publish without naming anyone, that's what was done here.

Was Watergate made up because Woodward and Burnstein didn't name Deep Throat?

Trump says a lot of dumb ****e, it's no surprise at all he called them losers. The man has zero class.

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 11:07AM

Cody montana wrote: »

Fox News Confirms Trump Called Veterans "Suckers" and "Losers"

Where does this fit in your little theory?

Wheres the confirmation beyond what the atlantic report ? And dont link somebodys personal twitter

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 11:08AM

Brian? wrote: »

Unnamed sources don't equal "no proof", the journalists are reporting what people from the Trump administration said, the sources simply aren't willing to be named. It's decent journalism to check multiple sources and publish without naming anyone, that's what was done here.

Was Watergate made up because Woodward and Burnstein didn't name Deep Throat?

Trump says a lot of dumb ****e, it's no surprise at all he called them losers. The man has zero class.

If it wasnt from a publication that fabricated ‘things he said’ in the past maybe but the atlantic are bottom tier biased for making up things

duploelabs · 05-09-2020 11:09AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Wheres the confirmation beyond what the atlantic report ? And dont link somebodys personal twitter

So by not being able to link to someone's tweet means it can't be verified by people?

namloc1980 · 05-09-2020 11:10AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Wheres the confirmation beyond what the atlantic report ? And dont link somebodys personal twitter

Independently confirmed by a Fox News reporter

.

And by AP

https://apnews.com/b823f2c285641a4a09a96a0b195636ed

duploelabs · 05-09-2020 11:10AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If it wasnt from a publication that fabricated ‘things he said’ in the past maybe but the atlantic are bottom tier biased for making up things

However by multiple outlets running with the story themselves means they've done their own due diligence on the sources, this includes fox news

Eric Cartman · 05-09-2020 11:11AM

duploelabs wrote: »

So by not being able to link to someone's tweet means it can't be verified by people?

No,but saying ‘fox news confirmed it’ when its just somebody working for fox news posting it on their personal twitter isnt proof.

dwayneshintzy · 05-09-2020 11:11AM

The Atlantic never published a piece directly saying Trump used the n-word. These are direct accusations they've published now, which have been independently verified and run by other news agencies (AP, Washington Post). Trump has lied repeatedly when attempting to deny the stories.

ChikiChiki · 05-09-2020 11:12AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The atlantic. Thats where its coming from

The same atlantic who pushed the ‘n word tape’ conspiracy that never became anything
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/sarah-sanders-omarosa-trump-tape-guarantee/567544/

This publication has a pretty big history of ‘trump said a thing, weve no proof but we’ll run with it’

And Fox news are backing it up....

duploelabs · 05-09-2020 11:13AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

No,but saying ‘fox news confirmed it’ when its just somebody working for fox news posting it on their personal twitter isnt proof.

Yes, but it's actually broadcast by fox news. They would be completely factual wouldn't they or are they to consigned to the 'fake news meeejah' pile?

05-09-2020 11:13AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Wheres the confirmation beyond what the atlantic report ? And dont link somebodys personal twitter

Here's the Fox News report where the reporter confirmed the story via other officials. Also unnamed sources is not some new thing.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1301993408219684865?s=09

y0ssar1an22 · 05-09-2020 11:16AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

He switched the topic to China as quickly as he could. Does that really not concern you?

His behaviors when it comes to Russia display that of someone under sway. You don't need a news channel to tell you that. Use your own brain and formulate your own opinion.

would you rather he condemn Russia with no proof?

if so, TDS has gotten out of hand.

05-09-2020 11:19AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

would you rather he condemn Russia with no proof?

if so, TDS has gotten out of hand.

What other nation has used novichok to poison people? It's not even the first time where they've killed the opposition...

namloc1980 · 05-09-2020 11:21AM

The problem for Trump is that by denying he called McCain a loser, when he clearly did on his own tweet and on video, it brings his entire denial into question. He also yesterday went on a big rant about John Kelly all but confirming that he thinks John Kelly is one of the sources.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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