How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Will Yam · 04-09-2020 08:40PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Visors alone are unsafe . As a high risk / very high risk teacher , I’m using masks and a visor and have a perpex screen at my table .

Are visors alone unsafe or ineffective?

khalessi · 04-09-2020 08:40PM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

In our local primary school visors are worn while teaching unless going face to face with pupils for one on one learning

Any teachers here not wearing masks while in class?

Masks and visors in situ here even with one to one

meeeeh · 04-09-2020 08:42PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Heard it through multiple sources of other schools not reported yet. The lack of transparency is terrible.

What would the multiple sources be? Twitter?

Anyway a preliminary data in UK is coming out that covid rate among school going kids was no higher to the rate among population. However higher numbers were detected among minorities and children of health workers. So all we need to do is keep black children and those whose parents work for HSE at home and it's problem solved.

And no I'm not being serious.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/going-to-school-does-not-increase-risk-of-young-children-catching-coronavirus-56bk8kp3x

khalessi · 04-09-2020 08:44PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Are visors alone unsafe or ineffective?

Yes as you inhale the air around you and more and more studies show the virus is airborne so they are better with a face mask as people in Switzerland found out

https://www.insider.com/face-shields-did-not-protect-people-from-coronavirus-swiss-outbreak-2020-7

mirrorwall14 · 04-09-2020 08:48PM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Yeah, I'm aware visors offer little, which is why I was surprised to hear that about the local school. From speaking with a couple of teachers there, they know the risks but they said teaching with a mask on all day is not workable

I did 7 40 minute classes and tutorial today with mask with a half hour break after the first four (15 minutes only with mask off to eat lunch). Mask on the entire rest of the time except when changing it and sipping some water outside the classroom. We can only wear the visor if we can maintain 2m which isn’t possible within the building pretty much anywhere

It is doable. However it is exhausting. And I needed my mic and Belt pack to amplify my voice or I’d have been completely hoarse instead of a little hoarse. Maintaining speaking through the mask is much, much harder than teaching ‘normally’. I had a pounding headache by the end of the day but that could just as easily have been stress between straining to hear students, watching masks, trying not to sing (music teacher), WiFi issues etc.

Despite the ventilation (all windows and doors are open) I was roasting. I went through four masks in that time because they got damp from talking.

The hardest for me was remembering to drink. It’s so important even on a normal day but with a mask on it’s more difficult.

However I’ve learnt from it. And it’s not to just give up and wear a visor or nothing.... it’s changing my planning. I need to break activities up more with more activities for the students in between to allow me to catch my breath while they work

Blondini · 04-09-2020 08:53PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Some teachers in our local secondary aren't wearing any PPE yet all the students have to :mad:

Frame this moment in history because I agree with you that this is not acceptable.

:pac:

Locotastic · 04-09-2020 08:57PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

’I had a pounding headache by the end of the day but that could just as easily have been stress between straining to hear students, watching masks, trying not to sing (music teacher), WiFi issues etc.

Headache can be due to hypoxia or hypercapnia, are you wearing an N95 mask??

CruelSummer · 04-09-2020 09:02PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

I think if you open your eyes and look around you will much more serious issues in the country.
I don't think this is the thread to promote your anti Hallowe'en agenda!!!

I don’t have any agenda except children’s education and well-being. Are you trained in early childhood education or any other professional discipline in relation to children? Have you yourself had to wear a mask for more than a quick shop visit?
If you were, you would see a mile off something such as wearing masks in early childhood years is absolutely disastrous for their education, well-being, psychological development, breathing...
Children should be protected as much as possible from what’s happening. We’re lucky we’ve had a normal childhood, if this situation continues for another few months - the damage & consequences will keep increasing.

Will Yam · 04-09-2020 09:12PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes as you inhale the air around you and more and more studies show the virus is airborne so they are better with a face mask as people in Switzerland found out

https://www.insider.com/face-shields-did-not-protect-people-from-coronavirus-swiss-outbreak-2020-7

They may not be as effective as masks, but my question was are they
dangerous or ineffective.

caveat emptor · 04-09-2020 09:16PM

Will Yam wrote: »

Apologies. I took the number as % of all schools in the country.

Not sure how many are in Dublin but would hazard a guess at 1,300?

If so it means that 99.5% are Covid free.

You and your model are fairly naive. By that I mean it’s valid for today. Which is 1 week into reopening and only 50% have reopened. It hasn’t even been one reproduction cycle. Failures are cascading and take time to show up.

mirrorwall14 · 04-09-2020 09:22PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Headache can be due to hypoxia or hypercapnia, are you wearing an N95 mask??

Nah, just three layer cotton. And I wasn’t light headed at any point. Just hot. Tbh far more likely to be straight up heat than breathing. I’m asthmatic, I’d notice fast!

Locotastic · 04-09-2020 09:25PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Nah, just three layer cotton. And I wasn’t light headed at any point. Just hot. Tbh far more likely to be straight up heat than breathing. I’m asthmatic, I’d notice fast!

How did you find it afterwards with being asthmatic, did you notice any coughing more than usual or anything like that?

Being in the mask all day is no walk in the park.

caveat emptor · 04-09-2020 09:38PM

meeeeh wrote: »

What would the multiple sources be? Twitter?

Anyway a preliminary data in UK is coming out that covid rate among school going kids was no higher to the rate among population. However higher numbers were detected among minorities and children of health workers. So all we need to do is keep black children and those whose parents work for HSE at home and it's problem solved.

And no I'm not being serious.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/going-to-school-does-not-increase-risk-of-young-children-catching-coronavirus-56bk8kp3x

No direct from a poor unfortunate parent. Of course it could be fake.
It's been one week. This wasn't on the news anywhere. It's being suppressed.
I feel sorry for the families that have immunocompromised people at home and are not being informed that there are cases in their kids school.

alroley · 04-09-2020 09:43PM

Was on the Dart earlier and a child probably 5th or 6th class(or a very young looking 1st year) was travelling home from school - coughing all the way!

Will Yam · 04-09-2020 09:44PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

You and your model are fairly naive. By that I mean it’s valid for today. Which is 1 week into reopening and only 50% have reopened. It hasn’t even been one reproduction cycle. Failures are cascading and take time to show up.

So if 99.5% aren’t Covid free thus far, how many are?

Purplewaters · 04-09-2020 09:45PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Some teachers in our local secondary aren't wearing any PPE yet all the students have to :mad: students are allowed to alternate between visors and masks etc and get plenty of outdoor breaks.

I do think in fairness that if a teacher can keep the 2m distance this is acceptable as the voice strain with mask is a lot. The dept should really have bought teachers microphones if they want them wearing masks and teaching. Im sure lots are also but I do think prople complaining need to realise the role of a student and teacher is very different. Sure in primary the teacher and sna have mask and kids have none.

wirelessdude01 · 04-09-2020 09:48PM

I'm aware of two different schools in Meath with confirmed cases today. Neither have been reported in any media outlet that I can see.

Neither are Declans from above.

mirrorwall14 · 04-09-2020 09:54PM

Locotastic wrote: »

How did you find it afterwards with being asthmatic, did you notice any coughing more than usual or anything like that?

Being in the mask all day is no walk in the park.

Honestly it was fine. I’m very well controlled at the moment to be fair. I had one moment where I coughed but it was a catch in the throat. Afterwards fine just needed a ton of fluids. That’s my worst blocked day. I don’t have four straight in a row any other day and only three, three in a row groupings. Although that does depend on supervision classes which will fill some of those gaps. Basically though if I can do Friday I’ll manage any other day.

I will have to be more careful in winter because hot to cold causes me to flare and because now staff are on the move in in and out of our buildings far more. But having said that I’ll have a mask on in those transitions so it may not be as bad given there’s essentially a pocket of warm air to get me from one to the other. I guess I’ll find out!

meeeeh · 04-09-2020 10:04PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

No direct from a poor unfortunate parent. Of course it could be fake.
It's been one week. This wasn't on the news anywhere. It's being suppressed.
I feel sorry for the families that have immunocompromised people at home and are not being informed that there are cases in their kids school.

Well it seems that parents are being informed, just because it doesn't make it to the bews it doesn't mean it's being suppressed. Stuff does happen without making news every so often and reporting every case in schools will just not be interesting enough for national media. Clusters probably will be at least at the beginning.

wirelessdude01 · 04-09-2020 10:09PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Well it seems that parents are being informed, just because it doesn't make it to the bews it doesn't mean it's being suppressed. Stuff does happen without making news every so often and reporting every case in schools will just not be interesting enough for national media. Clusters probably will be at least at the beginning.

Know a principal from a school that has a case and I've been told that the parents are being hounded by the media to try and find something that the school didn't do right or a parent who thinks they didn't do something correct. Media are waiting for a cluster/outbreak in a school so they can try and do a number on it for not having implemented something properly or having a slight slip on something.

downthemiddle · 04-09-2020 10:15PM

meeeeh wrote: »

What would the multiple sources be? Twitter?

Anyway a preliminary data in UK is coming out that covid rate among school going kids was no higher to the rate among population. However higher numbers were detected among minorities and children of health workers. So all we need to do is keep black children and those whose parents work for HSE at home and it's problem solved.

And no I'm not being serious.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/going-to-school-does-not-increase-risk-of-young-children-catching-coronavirus-56bk8kp3x

For someone who attempted to play the racism card earlier this isn’t the wisest post. Not all minorities are black btw.

downthemiddle · 04-09-2020 10:17PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I don’t have any agenda except children’s education and well-being. Are you trained in early childhood education or any other professional discipline in relation to children? Have you yourself had to wear a mask for more than a quick shop visit?
If you were, you would see a mile off something such as wearing masks in early childhood years is absolutely disastrous for their education, well-being, psychological development, breathing...
Children should be protected as much as possible from what’s happening. We’re lucky we’ve had a normal childhood, if this situation continues for another few months - the damage & consequences will keep increasing.

I’m sure you will be able to provide evidence of the damage mask wearing does. Otherwise you will be seen as another conspiracy theory crank.

Drumpot · 04-09-2020 10:28PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I'm aware of two different schools in Meath with confirmed cases today. Neither have been reported in any media outlet that I can see.

Neither are Declans from above.

In One of them schools (Not made public) my nephew is in the class where A child tested positive. Parents of all Children of the class were informed, they are the only ones who need to know. I believe the entire class is being tested.

khalessi · 04-09-2020 10:36PM

Will Yam wrote: »

They may not be as effective as masks, but my question was are they
dangerous or ineffective.

Well that would depend. Do you think catching covid when wearing only a visor is is dangerous and shows the masks to be ineffective? I do.

khalessi · 04-09-2020 10:43PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I don’t have any agenda except children’s education and well-being. Are you trained in early childhood education or any other professional discipline in relation to children? Have you yourself had to wear a mask for more than a quick shop visit?
If you were, you would see a mile off something such as wearing masks in early childhood years is absolutely disastrous for their education, well-being, psychological development, breathing...
Children should be protected as much as possible from what’s happening. We’re lucky we’ve had a normal childhood, if this situation continues for another few months - the damage & consequences will keep increasing.

I am curious do you not think teachers have education and well being in mind? What other field do you think is relevent in relation to children? I have seen plenty of small children wearing masks wandering around and not at them.

CHildren in other countries wear masks, why do you think it is disastorous for their education?

In regards to wearing masks, I have worn one on 8 and 10 hour shifts continuously along with a welding type helmet and suffered no consequences.

Will Yam · 04-09-2020 10:53PM

khalessi wrote: »

Well that would depend. Do you think catching covid when wearing only a visor is is dangerous and shows the masks to be ineffective? I do.

I’m asking because a teacher in an earlier post said they were unsafe.

If they are unsafe nobody should ever use them.

If, on the other hand, they are ineffective that’s a different matter.

khalessi · 04-09-2020 10:56PM

Will Yam wrote: »

I’m asking because a teacher in an earlier post said they were unsafe.

If they are unsafe nobody should ever use them.

If, on the other hand, they are ineffective that’s a different matter.

Well the fact that they do not protect you from Covid19 without using a mask also I would consider them unsafe and ineffective. There is a reason we never used them in hospitals without a mask

John_Rambo · 04-09-2020 10:57PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Know a principal from a school that has a case and I've been told that the parents are being hounded by the media to try and find something that the school didn't do right or a parent who thinks they didn't do something correct. Media are waiting for a cluster/outbreak in a school so they can try and do a number on it for not having implemented something properly or having a slight slip on something.

This finger pointing and the desperate search for someone to blame and blacken is a scourge. It's the source of all rumours, hearsay and great way for the weak, snivelling rats of society to get one up on people they simply don't like.

You can see it all over boards.ie

meeeeh · 04-09-2020 11:01PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

For someone who attempted to play the racism card earlier this isn’t the wisest post. Not all minorities are black btw.

Nationalism actually. So I'm playing a card now? Nice.

Laszlo Cravensworth · 04-09-2020 11:01PM

Apologies if it has been mentioned already, but the primary school in Loughshinny in NCD has had a positive case. Entire class was sent home yesterday.

One of my neighbours kids is part of the class.

I can't see this being reported anywhere.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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