Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey · 04-09-2020 04:23PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Another big Saturday on the cards. 200+

Are they fudging the numbers or what, if they can't report correctly don't report as it's unnecessary keeping the climate of fear alive, that's the point though isn't it.

Oranage2 · 04-09-2020 04:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Exactly. Does the government say we have to live with other things such as class a drugs/serious crime. They say we are going to war on these things and have a zero tolerance to it.but with covid they say we will live with it to the public. its message is too vague. Zero tolerance on covid doesnt mean failure if there is cases, it means govt/public trying hard to to get rid of it. Simple clear message instead of this current nonsense. Public have given up understanding the message.

Exactly, we had some people creaming themselves when New Zealand got a few cases recently. Instead of fighting this together we have the usual selfish percentage not giving a f+ck about others and doing whatever they like.

Goldengirl · 04-09-2020 04:25PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Would say the opposite would be the case actually going by the posters crying about the pubs etc, they normally don't like facts or possible consequences and try to shout down anyone who disagrees.

Personally don't give a f*ck who goes to the pub etc, but recognise the bullsh1t spouted by most of those on here who do.

Agree.
Guy is posting from UK , whose government have hardly covered themselves in glory through this , and is just trying to cause trouble calling people names on an " Oirish " thread !

tobefrank321 · 04-09-2020 04:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'll be accused of scare-mongering by the usual suspects for posting this, but it's a reputable source and we can't all hide away from reality. Anyone with a bit of sense would want to take some reasonable precautions to avoid getting this disease until we know more about the damage it does, even if you are not in a highly vulnerable group.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/04/carnage-in-lab-dish-shows-how-coronavirus-may-damage-heart/

"Concern about long-term damage to the heart stems from the fact that unlike the liver, for example, it cannot regenerate its tissues. Doctors in Germany reported earlier this summer that 39 autopsies and cardiac MRIs of 100 patients showed damage to the hearts of older people who died (average age of 85) and younger people (average age of 49) who weren’t even hospitalized for their apparently mild Covid-19 infections. "

Did they have the heart damage before covid? Its very likely the older patients did. Most elderly people have weak and damaged hearts for the very reason you mention, it doesn't regenerate and tends to get weaker the older you get.

You'd need to study someone before and after dying from covid to be sure and there is no mention of that in the article.

There is also a glaring issue with the article:

“The challenge here is that this paper has not been peer-reviewed by people who are experts in cardiology, who have not had a chance to tear it apart. I am reluctant to make a lot out of a pre-publication manuscript, no matter how provocative the finding.”

So yes hard to take seriously. Nice try though.

Jim_Hodge · 04-09-2020 04:27PM

partyguinness wrote: »

As I keep saying and I will say it again. Taking offence is a choice. Your choice. Good for you.

That's a senseless cop out. It was plainly offensive on several fronts.

caveat emptor · 04-09-2020 04:28PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are they fudging the numbers or what, if they can't report correctly don't report as it's unnecessary keeping the climate of fear alive, that's the point though isn't it.

It's the opposite. Keep the weekend vibes good until Saturday night when it's over. Wouldn't want to put a dampener on plans (spending) Then a depressing Sunday but wait 50 cases in the evening to cheer you up in time for work on Monday.

04-09-2020 04:30PM

Benimar wrote: »

There has been 292 positive tests the last 2 days.

If todays total announced is 98, that will be 193 (95+98) announced over the last 2 days - a 99 shortfall. There was also a small shortfall on Wednesday.

Could there be a large outbreak at some workplace or similar. They did something similar on a couple of the early august outbreaks I believe and released them in one bulk?

Goldengirl · 04-09-2020 04:33PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I agree. But most elderly people I've spoken to, and I have a fair few in my family, are pretty pragmatic about this and think the whole thing is being over managed by Govt.

We all know a lot of elderly and other vulnerable people .
But I guess we all have different experiences and opinions .
Government is trying to cater for those that can't always speak for themselves as I see it and although I have often disagreed with the minutiae of the regs and restrictions, I generally see the point , especially as I see the effects in my work .
We are SLOWLY getting to a situation of full up in hospitals and the next step will be splitting of Covid and non Covid work and resultant cutback AGAIN in normal elective healthcare .
That is just healthcare, it will affect everything else too . Who wants that ?
Not scaremongering, just an honest appraisal and totally my opinion.

JP Liz V1 · 04-09-2020 04:37PM

I hate the wording "wet pubs"

Goldengirl · 04-09-2020 04:37PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I'm obviously reading you wrong then. My reading of the above was that Plumbthedepths referenced both and you didn't clarify only clusters in your response.

I referenced the reply he was replying to in which I mentioned ...clusters !

I won't quote the post.

If you are that interested you will see it .

FintanMcluskey · 04-09-2020 04:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I personally think the time has come to open up everything and get on with evolution.
Those that don't think it's real or that there is any point to restrictions will fall ill, pass it on to older relatives and die.
They are the cohort that are causing the numbers to remain high anyway.

What a load of utter bolix.

It's nobody's "fault" number's are high, unless you want to attribute the mismanagement of DP centres and meat plants to the people craving normality.

The virus isn't the issue, attitudes like this are.

JP Liz V1 · 04-09-2020 04:39PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Youtuber on plane with wife and two young kids, great example for children.

Like to do it is one thing but to give an interview to a newspaper on about how much off a laugh it was. I checked his youtube, travelling all around, lastest video has a comment about the interview and he is making fun of the person telling them.to stay in their safe space and the virus is harmless.

Attention seeking cnut

Who that?

Goldengirl · 04-09-2020 04:42PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Did they have the heart damage before covid? Its very likely the older patients did. Most elderly people have weak and damaged hearts for the very reason you mention, it doesn't regenerate and tends to get weaker the older you get.

You'd need to study someone before and after dying from covid to be sure and there is no mention of that in the article.

There is also a glaring issue with the article:

So yes hard to take seriously. Nice try though.

Most data published as yet has not had time to be peer reviewed...nice try though

caveat emptor · 04-09-2020 04:42PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

We all know a lot of elderly and other vulnerable people .
But I guess we all have different experiences and opinions .
Government is trying to cater for those that can't always speak for themselves as I see it and although I have often disagreed with the minutiae of the regs and restrictions, I generally see the point , especially as I see the effects in my work .
We are SLOWLY getting to a situation of full up in hospitals and the next step will be splitting of Covid and non Covid work and resultant cutback AGAIN in normal elective healthcare .
That is just healthcare, it will affect everything else too . Who wants that ?
Not scaremongering, just an honest appraisal and totally my opinion.

If I were you I don't know how I could do it. I mean I understand people who get it while trying to do everything right and end up in hospital.
You can't save them all unfortunately , especially those who didn't listen.
The very ones moaning about "A pub is a special place in the community and is an essential human right" may be right.
It's also a perfect breeding/breathing ground for this virus.
Why can't we do a deal and reduce the burden on the essential services.

Go forth and breath but if you need any treatment (not just covid) it'll be on the proviso that you haven't been in a pub / holiday / or big house party. The Covid app tracks how many people you were beside and for how long, cards , phones do the same.

If you went to a massive house party and end up in A&E. Sorry pal you've been triaged out. Here's an inhaler and some steroids. Remember you said "it'll be grand", now we are saying "you'll be grand, statistically".

That way everyone will be happy. Let's be hard and brave. Freedom

Curious_Case · 04-09-2020 04:43PM

With all this late stage ballyhoo over till receipts for meals received, you'd have to wonder if "wet pubs" will be opening anytime soon.

After all, if "wet pubs" are allowed open again then why would "food pubs" need to prove that they're not "wet pubs".

caveat emptor · 04-09-2020 04:44PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What a load of utter bolix.

It's nobody's "fault" number's are high, unless you want to attribute the mismanagement of DP centres and meat plants to the people craving normality.

The virus isn't the issue, attitudes like this are.

So you are firmly in the cake and eat it camp. Cool, good to know.

is_that_so · 04-09-2020 04:45PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

With all this late stage ballyhoo over till receipts for meals received, you'd have to wonder if "wet pubs" will be opening anytime soon.

After all, if "wet pubs" are allowed open again then why would "food pubs" need to prove that they're not "wet pubs".

The presumption seems to be that they will all be treated the same at that point.

manofwisdom · 04-09-2020 04:46PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Another big Saturday on the cards. 200+

We'll see, last 4 Saturdays 156,174, 200 and 142.

Goldengirl · 04-09-2020 04:47PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

With all this late stage ballyhoo over till receipts for meals received, you'd have to wonder if "wet pubs" will be opening anytime soon.

After all, if "wet pubs" are allowed open again then why would "food pubs" need to prove that they're not "wet pubs".

Yes.
Posted just that a page or two back .
But I think it might be a temporary forerunner, 'prove your compliant and we'll open up '.

Curious_Case · 04-09-2020 04:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The presumption seems to be that they will all be treated the same at that point.

I agree, it could be a drift towards "sell food or stay closed".

04-09-2020 04:48PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

If I were you I don't know how I could do it. I mean I understand people who get it while trying to do everything right and end up in hospital.
You can't save them all unfortunately , especially those who didn't listen.
The very ones moaning about "A pub is a special place in the community and is an essential human right" may be right.
It's also a perfect breeding/breathing ground for this virus.
Why can't we do a deal and reduce the burden on the essential services.

Go forth and breath but if you need any treatment (not just covid) it'll be on the proviso that you haven't been in a pub / holiday / or big house party. The Covid app tracks how many people you were beside and for how long, cards , phones do the same.

If you went to a massive house party and end up in A&E. Sorry pal you've been triaged out. Here's an inhaler and some steroids. Remember you said "it'll be grand", now we are saying "you'll be grand, statistically".

That way everyone will be happy. Let's be hard and brave. Freedom

Get a grip :rolleyes:

caveat emptor · 04-09-2020 04:48PM

Another two schools.

https://twitter.com/DublinLive/status/1301899676925521920?s=20

tobefrank321 · 04-09-2020 04:49PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Most data published as yet has not had time to be peer reviewed...nice try though ��

That is true - which seems to allow every tom, dick and harry to come up with a theory and try to get attention for it.

I will wait for the peer reviewed studies if that's ok.

Petri dish experiments just come across as quack science most of the time. You can prove anything in a petri dish. But the human body is far more complex than a petri dish.

As for the German study, its impossible to know if any of these victims had heart damage prior to covid. If they had it renders the whole study pointless. There is no proof that covid caused their heart problems. Its very likely they already had pre existing heart conditions.

Plumbthedepths · 04-09-2020 04:53PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

If you have any interest we have discussed meat factories at length over the last few weeks .

So it can't be mentioned again? Are you setting the agenda of discussion here? Why considering the further regulations the restaurant/bar sector is subject to yet the meat processing industry has caused more out breaks.

stephenjmcd · 04-09-2020 04:54PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Another two schools.

https://twitter.com/DublinLive/status/1301899676925521920?s=20

Are the media going to highlight this every time it happens in a school ? Its going to happen we get it, don't need the country to be told every time a class gets sent home

Plumbthedepths · 04-09-2020 04:56PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Another two schools.

https://twitter.com/DublinLive/status/1301899676925521920?s=20

Wasn't it accepted there will be cases in schools and a plan exists to deal with such scenarios?

Blondini · 04-09-2020 04:56PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Are the media going to highlight this every time it happens in a school ? Its going to happen we get it, don't need the country to be told every time a class gets sent home

Why not?

It's very important to keep updated on how the schools experiment works out.

poppers · 04-09-2020 04:58PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Are the media going to highlight this every time it happens in a school ? Its going to happen we get it, don't need the country to be told every time a class gets sent home

Going to be like this for a while. Just like when the Gaa started back we heard about clubs suspending activity every day for a few weeks

Blondini · 04-09-2020 04:58PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Wasn't it accepted there will be cases in schools and a plan exists to deal with such scenarios?

It's still news though. We are allowed to consume whatever news we want in this country if thats okay with you.

partyguinness · 04-09-2020 04:58PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That's a senseless cop out. It was plainly offensive on several fronts.

How is it a cop out? Taking offence no matter what the context is entirely subjective. If you take offence that is your choice based on your own set of norms. Offence is not objective.

"Plainly" some people might take offence and "plainly" some will not take offence.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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