Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 04-09-2020 01:47PM

Strumms wrote: »

Thats nuts... whats happening there in France jesus..

Then again... im outside a starbucks in sutton sitting in my car in the carpark right now.. there are about 10/12 what id guess are 5th years... in close proximity... messing... play fighting.... ONE kid with a mask... just like nothing is up... going home to family... probably siblings or parents with asthmas or other underlying issues... depressing... you can educate all day but if kids dont wanna listen... parents though.. gotta start parenting.. i know that is unfashionable but....

So you want kids to stop acting like kids? Humans are a social animal it's in our nature , even moreso in children. Do you want parents to chaperone their children 24/7?

podgeandrodge · 04-09-2020 01:49PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

ALL of what you listed? Talk about changing the goalposts.
Wuhan, France, Spain and Italy's lockdown rules were all stricter than ours.
You can charge us with being slower to come out of lockdown but to pretend we were micro-managed more strictly than in other countries is fantasy stuff.

It shows how trivial some of our concerns are today here that people are getting worked up about having to pay for a meal to get a drink.
Considering the scale of the restrictions in the above countries in March.

It's not about whether the restrictions are trivial compared to what other countries endured back in March. It's about getting pissed off with stupid restrictions that are extremely dubious at best in fighting the virus, and which are impacting on people's ability to have a reasonable social engagement in controlled environment, without being told to feck off when they've barely had the last spoon of their desert. Bull**** carry on of the highest order

partyguinness · 04-09-2020 01:57PM

Strumms wrote: »

Thats nuts... whats happening there in France jesus..

Then again... im outside a starbucks in sutton sitting in my car in the carpark right now.. there are about 10/12 what id guess are 5th years... in close proximity... messing... play fighting.... ONE kid with a mask... just like nothing is up... going home to family... probably siblings or parents with asthmas or other underlying issues... depressing... you can educate all day but if kids dont wanna listen... parents though.. gotta start parenting.. i know that is unfashionable but....

Sitting in a car park furiously tapping away and getting enraged about some kids mucking about. What don't you just call the Guards and be done with it. End of the world. The Stasi is alive and well.

Honest to God. Would you listen to yourself....

quokula · 04-09-2020 02:00PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you want kids to stop acting like kids? Humans are a social animal it's in our nature , even moreso in children. Do you want parents to chaperone their children 24/7?

They said 5th years not 5 year olds. They should be more than aware of how to social distance and wear a mask.

My niece who is in 5th year has been complaining about other students in her class who completely ignore the rules as soon as they get outside the gates of the school, she's worried about the inevitable cases getting into her school from them. It's possible to be 16 years old and not a complete self centred idiot.

ax530 · 04-09-2020 02:00PM

fritzelly wrote: »

SD making a right fool of himself again on the news

Unreal I cannot understand how this fixes the issue of pubs not currently adhering, so instead of an empty plate they need a piece of paper to show Gardai if they call?

I think there is less chance of the names/number register being accurate now that food choice & price needed next to them. This is in the premises which are not adhering correctly.

It is unfair for publicans doing things correctly seeing business's not following rules.

DebDynamite · 04-09-2020 02:08PM

The thing with the restaurants/pubs operating as restaurants having to keep records of food consumed for 28 days...what’s the point of this? Surly this all becomes irrelevant anyway once wet pubs open, which some things seem to indicate could be in a few weeks. Or is this a sign that they won’t be opening?

Happydays2020 · 04-09-2020 02:13PM

Will they check IDs or can I just call myself Donald Doolin and give the number for Dept of Health?

partyguinness · 04-09-2020 02:15PM

Ireland instead of easing restrictions seem to be going the other way.

Is there a complete lack of an eiot strategy or just the Gov do not have the balls to make hard decisions?

Plumbthedepths · 04-09-2020 02:16PM

quokula wrote: »

They said 5th years not 5 year olds. They should be more than aware of how to social distance and wear a mask.

My niece who is in 5th year has been complaining about other students in her class who completely ignore the rules as soon as they get outside the gates of the school, she's worried about the inevitable cases getting into her school from them. It's possible to be 16 years old and not a complete self centred idiot.

Wear a mask outdoors, why? 5 th years are still kids. Your niece sounds very mature. Policing others and expecting them to behave in a way that mitigates ones worry is not always possible. Point still stands, not withstanding your niece kids will be kids.

Always_Running · 04-09-2020 02:17PM

the merchant wrote: »

98 new cases 0 deaths

If 98 cases reported the seven day average will be down to 105 per day, last Friday the seven day average was 120

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:19PM

Strumms wrote: »

Thats nuts... whats happening there in France jesus..

Then again... im outside a starbucks in sutton sitting in my car in the carpark right now.. there are about 10/12 what id guess are 5th years... in close proximity... messing... play fighting.... ONE kid with a mask... just like nothing is up... going home to family... probably siblings or parents with asthmas or other underlying issues... depressing... you can educate all day but if kids dont wanna listen... parents though.. gotta start parenting.. i know that is unfashionable but....

Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Iv'e argued the standard of parenting in Ireland is very low several times on here but been told im a curtain twitcher etc.. Parents need to be held accountable for their kids actions.

Jim_Hodge · 04-09-2020 02:20PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Will they check IDs or can I just call myself Donald Doolin and give the number for Dept of Health?

Why? What's the point? Would you not want to be contacted of you were in at risk of having picked up the virus? It's easier to just give your own details.
It may seem amusing or to be getting one over on some organ of the state but why?

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:20PM

fritzelly wrote: »

SD making a right fool of himself again on the news

Came across really well i thought.

Glenomra · 04-09-2020 02:23PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Iv'e argued the standard of parenting in Ireland is very low several times on here but been told im a curtain twitcher etc.. Parents need to be held accountable for their kids actions.

Terrible! Terrible! Terrible! and more terribles............. What has Ireland come to. Up to 12, almost a full dozen, youngsters gathering and play-acting on a fine Autumn day! We'll all be ruined says Hanrahan!

Jim_Hodge · 04-09-2020 02:23PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Came across really well i thought.

I didn't hear him but I find, nowadays, people see or hear what they want to see or hear when politicians, doctors, etc speak.

partyguinness · 04-09-2020 02:24PM

quokula wrote: »

They said 5th years not 5 year olds. They should be more than aware of how to social distance and wear a mask.

My niece who is in 5th year has been complaining about other students in her class who completely ignore the rules as soon as they get outside the gates of the school, she's worried about the inevitable cases getting into her school from them. It's possible to be 16 years old and not a complete self centred idiot.

Has the penny not dropped yet? Covid 19 is out there among us. Full stop. You cannot see it or hear it.

We must all learn to live with it and stop this ridiculous State intervention and acting like there is some zombie invasion. Covid 19 is essentially harmless to 97-98% of the population. Yes, persons at risk need to be extra cautious and nobody wants to get it.

Some people are slow on the uptake.

Happydays2020 · 04-09-2020 02:24PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Why? What's the point? Would you not want to be contacted of you were in at risk of having picked up the virus? It's easier to just give your own details.
It may seem amusing or to be getting one over on some organ of the state but why?

The point being that many people have privacy concerns and rather than the state recording what they are eating and drinking they may well decide not to give accurate information. This is why these types of controls are bad ideas. Not to mention punishing the many for the actions of the few.

stephenjmcd · 04-09-2020 02:25PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I didn't hear him but I find, nowadays, people see or hear what they want to see or hear when politicians, doctors, etc speak.

Car crash of an interview yet again. He has a handful of PR advisors which don't seem to be doing much good.

Basically said its not his fault that nobody consulted any industry representatives. He said its a whole of government issue. Sorry your the minister for health bringing forward the legislation so its your issue.

Also said NPHET came up with the €9 meal rule. Glynn said last week they didn't.

He skirted around any difficult questions by rambling

partyguinness · 04-09-2020 02:26PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Iv'e argued the standard of parenting in Ireland is very low several times on here but been told im a curtain twitcher etc.. Parents need to be held accountable for their kids actions.

So do tell. What is the internationally accepted standard of parenting these days?

I would have to hazard that you are not a parent with that type of nonsense.

Plumbthedepths · 04-09-2020 02:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Car crash of an interview.

Basically said its not his fault that nobody consulted any industry representatives. He said its a whole of government issue. Sorry your the minister for health bringing forward the legislation so its your issue.

Also said NPHET came up with the €9 meal rule. Glynn said last week they didn't.

He skirted around any difficult questions by rambling

Did he mention trampolines?

Happydays2020 · 04-09-2020 02:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Car crash of an interview.

Basically said its not his fault that nobody consulted any industry representatives. He said its a whole of government issue. Sorry your the minister for health bringing forward the legislation so its your issue.

Also said NPHET came up with the €9 meal rule. Glynn said last week they didn't.

He skirted around any difficult questions by rambling

He should also read the Cabinet handbook. https://assets.gov.ie/6813/2a580791a7b24decb97a550539a0faff.pdf

Plumbthedepths · 04-09-2020 02:28PM

partyguinness wrote: »

So do tell. What is the internationally accepted standard of parenting these days?

I would have to hazard that you are not a parent with that type of nonsense.

From what I've read it is a willingness to have your child in a heightened state of fear, wearing a mask at all times and unwilling to engage in any social activities with their peers. Open to correction of course.

manofwisdom · 04-09-2020 02:29PM

seamus wrote: »

Last 24 hours will probably be another day of 12,500 - 13,000 tests completed. Which will give in the region of 130-190 positive tests if the rate remains the same.

If it's 98 new cases today, my concern is that will leave us with a backlog of 100ish positive cases (30-odd yesterday, 60-odd today) going into the weekend.

OTOH if the positivity rate today is well under 1% then it could be a very good news day.

@Wolf359f posted up the seven day total positive Swabs yesterday (760) and total Positive cases (670) excluding yesterdays 95 cases.

With that it mind we should only have the few backlog cases from today added in tomorrow.

odyssey06 · 04-09-2020 02:33PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

That's one I hadn't heard about Florida doing checking of VAT receipts to allow only food pubs to open - can you link something on this, sorry can't find it (not suggesting it's incorrect).

Jack Daniels point is absolutely fair imo. You'll find lots of countries doing certain things, but Ireland is doing it all. His main points about how long you can spend at a place, how much money you need to spend on food are OTT precautions only applying here. Scotland as you linked has a limit on people, which is worldwide, but isn't saying get the feck out after 1.5 hours and make sure you eat a substantial meal worth €9 (jesus, even the cost factor is bureaucratic nonsense, I'd nearly understand a minimum amount of calories e.g. plate of chips ).

The France reference is from last March, not sure if it is still in place today.

Regardless, the Government response led by Varadkar/Harris (neither of whom I like, but am beginning to admire when faced with MM and SD), called on the Irish people to make sacrifices to flatten the curve, and while not eradicating the virus, allow our health services to cope. Achieved. What's going on now is a feckin mess, there's no two ways about it. And most of the population are rightly getting sick of it.

My point was that in other countries the lockdown was far stricter and micro-managed. It is a fantasy to think we were unique in the level of micromanagement applied or control over our daily lives..
We are talking about the whole pandemic as that is relevant to the state's attitude.
In other countries they would have kept places shut or open, the rules here seem weird because they were trying to show flexibility and gives pubs a chance.
The substantial meal concept has been on the books for decades in other licencing legislation, it was just repurposed.

In Florida this was one set of measues:
In the initial June 26 order, businesses that derived more than 50 percent of their revenue from alcohol sales were not allowed to sell alcohol on-site, meaning any bar attempting to reopen with a food license would have to effectively operate as full restaurant. But less than a week later, on July 1, Beshears issued an amendment to that order: Now, bars that were also licensed to operate as restaurants could stay open, regardless of the 50 percent mandate.

ACitizenErased · 04-09-2020 02:35PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Came across really well i thought.

You must be on a wind up?

partyguinness · 04-09-2020 02:35PM

(I am going to throw this beaut out there)

I know full well the biggest curtain twitchers in Ireland and the most vocal 'lockdown' Nazis are the same class of people that stayed remarkably silent during decades of Catholic Church inspired abuses that riddled this country.

Mod: Threadbanned. Stop reporting this post please.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:37PM

partyguinness wrote: »

So do tell. What is the internationally accepted standard of parenting these days?

I would have to hazard that you are not a parent with that type of nonsense.

You guess incorrectly.

Kids are allowed run wild these days. Look at the poor lad killed by a few scummers in dublin on his bike recently. Parents probably dragged them up rather than raised them.

Is that the type of parent you are?

stephenjmcd · 04-09-2020 02:37PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

@Wolf359f posted up the seven day total positive Swabs yesterday (760) and total Positive cases (670) excluding yesterdays 95 cases.

With that it mind we should only have the few backlog cases from today added in tomorrow.

Maybe, maybe not. There are rumours that some private testing was taking place. As I replied & explained to wolf yesterday, the data on the dashboard relating to swabs comes from HSE and that doesn't take into account private testing. Its may be contributing to the discrepancy in swabs v cases announced

Gruffalux · 04-09-2020 02:38PM

partyguinness wrote: »

(I am going to throw this beaut out there)

I know full well the biggest curtain twitchers in Ireland and the most vocal 'lockdown' Nazis are the same class of people that stayed remarkably silent during decades of Catholic Church inspired abuses that riddled this country.

Jaysis.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:39PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I didn't hear him but I find, nowadays, people see or hear what they want to see or hear when politicians, doctors, etc speak.

Very true Jim.

I'd be a Renua voter btw.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Comments