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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #5612
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Even some doctors now calling out the 'misery' of daily figures.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-doctors-call-for-utterly-meaningless-daily-figures-to-be-dropped-1.4346550?mode=amp


  • #5613
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It depends if it is a private or public procedure you are going for, in other words is it being paid by insurance or the public purse

    Public procedure, no medical card


  • #5614
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    Public procedure, no medical card

    Son and partner recent public procedure, tested by hospital no charge.


  • #5615
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Son and partner recent public procedure, tested by hospital no charge.

    Thank you, I appreciate that!

    If I have to pay privately I will of course, I'm just trying to budget now to cover my backside for the sick leave so was wondering if I needed a few more hundred for the test :pac:


  • #5616
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Yep, it seems the cases are coming from places/things that were open all along - international travel, meat factories, etc. Not places like hairdressers or restaurants that were shut for months and then had to wait until later phases to reopen as they were deemed too high risk.
    A couple of months after them being open, have there been any clusters or cases of note from hairdressers or beauty salons, or restaurants? And I don’t mean one case where a staff member tested positive and the place closed for a week or two as a precaution.

    How risky they are is always a function of how much the virus is spreading in the community.
    It's not just about whether they are higher risk than other operations, it is whether the risk of undertaking them is balanced against their necessity.

    And it's not just what happens in the place.
    If restaurants had been open you'd have had people going in on public transport to them and mingling.
    If salons were open, you'd have had people travelling outside their communities to go to 'their' salon.

    I think they should have re-opened earlier, with the new safety measures in place, but it was correct to shut them during Phase 1.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #5617
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Even some doctors now calling out the 'misery' of daily figures.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-doctors-call-for-utterly-meaningless-daily-figures-to-be-dropped-1.4346550?mode=amp

    About time


  • #5618
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Even some doctors now calling out the 'misery' of daily figures.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-doctors-call-for-utterly-meaningless-daily-figures-to-be-dropped-1.4346550?mode=amp
    totally right

    in Germany and the UK they stopped the daily briefings back in May or so but for some reason Ireland persists in cermonially presenting the figures of doom personally.


  • #5619
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    totally right

    in Germany and the UK they stopped the daily briefings back in May or so but for some reason Ireland persists in cermonially presenting the figures of doom personally.

    Setting aside the 'misery' angle:
    A weekly update I think gives a better picture, can compare week on week averages. There's too many blips in the daily figures.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5620
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    totally right

    in Germany and the UK they stopped the daily briefings back in May or so but for some reason Ireland persists in cermonially presenting the figures of doom personally.

    We don't have daily briefings, we have them twice a week, not every day. Bit of a difference there.
    And it's nice having transparency, where journalists can ask questions. Like the meat plant clusters, cases in at risk community. I'd rather they actually report the cases notified to them in the last 24hrs and stop the high and low number notifications. It's the up and down cases numbers that's a rollercoaster


  • #5621
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    rusty cole wrote: »
    I think when people say the people in care homes which make up the vast majority of Covid deaths, were on the way out anyway, they are not trying to be unkind or ghastly.

    My grandad died in a care home 4 months having arrived. Why did he go in?? because he had fallen at home, left the gas on twice and couldn't really get to the door on time to even answer it. People go to care homes not because they're great places like palm springs, it's because they are at the end of their run so to speak. they are as vulnerable to Covid as a creche full of toddlers to a hard strain of whooping cough.

    I am not about to say you are ghastly at all, but in some of the commentary there is certainly a whiff of pro euthanasia.
    Fact is many people do not have what one might think is a great quality of life. People born with profound birth defects, people who acquire serious brain injury or serious physical consequences of an accident, people with neurological conditions like Motor Neuron, people suffering terminal illness, people with severe autism. You could extend in any direction - hopeless addicts, people who commit terrible crimes, and so on. A baby is utterly helpless too, for quite a number of years. Helplessness and suffering are actually built in features of the human condition.
    We do not abandon those who are helpless for various reasons. It is different if an individual chooses euthanasia. I am open to an individual making that case morally. But to handwave casually about a general class or classes of people as being obselete or supposedly on the verge of it as a consequence of living long, when they have not expressed a desire to die, is to severely diminish our own humanity.

    Not aimed at you. Just this creeping sentiment of " Ah but yeah shure what age were they?...."


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  • #5622
    [Deleted User]
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    As a comparison the daily figures released in Ireland reach the top of the front page on r/Ireland every day. You won't see the UK figures anywhere near UK subreddit. We definitely are taking a greater interest in daily figures than other countries, its probably not healthy.


  • #5623
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    AdamD wrote: »
    As a comparison the daily figures released in Ireland reach the top of the front page on r/Ireland every day. You won't see the UK figures anywhere near UK subreddit. We definitely are taking a greater interest in daily figures than other countries, its probably not healthy.

    Well we do have form when it comes to marinading ourselves in misery.

    I can imagine the amount of older people who listen to Joe Duffy and follow the daily briefings religiously. Can’t be good for the mental health.


  • #5624
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Can somebody explain why restaurants and pubs serving food has to keep a record of food?

    Yet, they can't follow up on people coming into the country and checking to see if they are quarantining?


  • #5625
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Well we do have form when it comes to marinading ourselves in misery.

    I can imagine the amount of older people who listen to Joe Duffy and follow the daily briefings religiously. Can’t be good for the mental health.

    It’s really shown us up as people with zero steel in us, lacking the ability to just get on with things. Where has this come from? All the hysteria opening schools for example, when schools in Europe opened months ago. And the nonsense now with the restaurants having to keep a record of food consumed for 28 days. We seem to be afraid of everything. Where is the pragmatism in this country which the rest of Europe seems to have?


  • #5626
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Can somebody explain why restaurants and pubs serving food has to keep a record of food?
    Yet, they can't follow up on people coming into the country and checking to see if they are quarantining?

    It's a lot easier to apply legal measures to business owners who already subject to significant Garda oversight than restraints on the free movements of citizens.

    It's being discussed on the "pubs" thread on this forum:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114516459#post114516459

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5627
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    It’s really shown us up as people with zero steel in us, lacking the ability the just get on with things. Where has this come from? All the hysteria opening schools for example, when schools in Europe opened months ago. And the nonsense now with the restaurants having to keep a record of food consumed for 28 days. We seem to be afraid of everything. Where is the pragmatism in this country which the rest of Europe seems to have?

    "All the hysteria"? Where was it?

    You don't think other countries had concerns about schools?
    Check the BBC UK news - several of the lead articles are related to schools and cororonavirus.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5628
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    It’s really shown us up as people with zero steel in us, lacking the ability the just get on with things. Where has this come from? All the hysteria opening schools for example, when schools in Europe opened months ago. And the nonsense now with the restaurants having to keep a record of food consumed for 28 days. We seem to be afraid of everything. Where is the pragmatism in this country which the rest of Europe seems to have?

    I found the hysteria about schools was on boards ! It didn’t reflect what was actually going on in my opinion . Teachers just seemed to get on with things and be positive . The negativity was far more apparent on here


  • #5629
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    "All the hysteria"? Where was it?

    You don't think other countries had concerns about schools?
    Check the BBC UK news - several of the lead articles are related to schools and cororonavirus.

    Nobody has concerns like Ireland does.

    We flat out refuse to try living with this virus. Only a fool would try to suggest otherwise.

    Show me other countries that have tried to dictate how far you can travel, how long you can spend at a place, how much money you need to spend on food, how many people you can have in your own house...

    I can't think of any country that has tried to baby / micro manage its people.


  • #5630
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nobody has concerns like Ireland does.
    We flat out refuse to try living with this virus. Only a fool would try to suggest otherwise.
    Show me other countries that have tried to dictate how far you can travel, how long you can spend at a place, how much money you need to spend on food, how many people you can have in your own house...
    I can't think of any country that has tried to baby / micro manage its people.

    Scotland, Italy, France, Spain, England, Florida...
    You don't think other countries had restrictions on how far you could travel, for what reason, whether you could even have visitors, when you could leave your house and for what reason; whether you could leave your province.

    In Florida they were tracking the VAT receipts on only allowing primarily food based pubs to open.

    You need to pay more attention.

    This is from Scotland:
    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-what-you-can-and-cannot-do/pages/seeing-friends-and-family/#:~:text=up%20to%203%20households%20can,to%20observe%20this%20daily%20limit&text=stay%202%20metres%20apart%20from,need%20to%20distance%20from%20anyone

    If meeting socially indoors (for example in your home or in a pub, café or restaurant):
    up to 3 households can meet at a time, up to 8 people in total
    do not meet more than 4 other households a day, except for under 18s who do not need to observe this daily limit
    you can stay overnight
    stay 2 metres apart from people outside your household, except for under 12s who do not need to distance from anyone
    you can use the toilet in someone else's house

    From France:
    The basic premise of the lockdown in France is that you are only allowed out of your home to make essential trips, and on every trip you need to have with you a signed, dated and timed permission form.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20200331/can-i-contest-a-fine-for-breaking-lockdown-rules-in-france

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5631
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    It’s really shown us up as people with zero steel in us, lacking the ability the just get on with things. Where has this come from? All the hysteria opening schools for example, when schools in Europe opened months ago. And the nonsense now with the restaurants having to keep a record of food consumed for 28 days. We seem to be afraid of everything. Where is the pragmatism in this country which the rest of Europe seems to have?


    Just got off the phone to my mother in Ireland and I told her that from where I am sitting Ireland has completely lost the plot.

    Paradoxically I think a small part of it is due to the lack of C19 being widespread in Ireland- everyone is afraid of the big bad invisible Covid virus. As my mother just said she doesnt know anyone who has had it or even heard of anyone who has had it.

    But the obedient Catholic is coming out in everyone.

    Where I am in England I personally know plenty that had it and made a full recovery and just felt a bit crappy. My wife's aunt had it. Also I have spoken to people who have lost elderly relations and I have seen Death Certificates with Covid 19 cited.

    It's spoken about here just like telling someone they had a bad cold- in fact the novelty has worn off and it's really no big deal. People just shrug their shoulders and get on with it. Spoke to a guy who tested positive but he had zero symptoms.

    That's where Ireland needs to be. It seems that Ireland is stuck in a state of paralysis until there is magically no infections- that is not going to happen. There will be positives. There will be spikes and outbreaks but deaths are not rising and people continue taking extra precautions.


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  • #5632
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Show me other countries that have tried to dictate how far you can travel, how long you can spend at a place, how much money you need to spend on food, how many people you can have in your own house...
    Practically all of them, FFS.


  • #5633
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    The #tellstephen hashtag is brilliant on twitter!!


  • #5634
    setanta1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    AdamD wrote: »
    As a comparison the daily figures released in Ireland reach the top of the front page on r/Ireland every day. You won't see the UK figures anywhere near UK subreddit. We definitely are taking a greater interest in daily figures than other countries, its probably not healthy.

    I have a number of UK news apps on my phone, as well as Irish. There hasn't been a daily case push notification from any of the UK apps in months.
    Get it every day without fail from the Irish ones. As well as 3-4 other virus related pushes too.


  • #5635
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Scotland, Italy, France, Spain, England, Florida...
    You don't think other countries had restrictions on how far you could travel, for what reason, whether you could even have visitors, when you could leave your house and for what reason; whether you could leave your province.

    In Florida they were tracking the VAT receipts on only allowing primarily food based pubs to open.

    You need to pay more attention.

    This is from Scotland:
    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-what-you-can-and-cannot-do/pages/seeing-friends-and-family/#:~:text=up%20to%203%20households%20can,to%20observe%20this%20daily%20limit&text=stay%202%20metres%20apart%20from,need%20to%20distance%20from%20anyone

    If meeting socially indoors (for example in your home or in a pub, café or restaurant):
    up to 3 households can meet at a time, up to 8 people in total
    do not meet more than 4 other households a day, except for under 18s who do not need to observe this daily limit
    you can stay overnight
    stay 2 metres apart from people outside your household, except for under 12s who do not need to distance from anyone
    you can use the toilet in someone else's house

    From France:
    The basic premise of the lockdown in France is that you are only allowed out of your home to make essential trips, and on every trip you need to have with you a signed, dated and timed permission form.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20200331/can-i-contest-a-fine-for-breaking-lockdown-rules-in-france

    I don't see any country that has implemented ALL of what I listed.


  • #5636
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Even some doctors now calling out the 'misery' of daily figures.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-doctors-call-for-utterly-meaningless-daily-figures-to-be-dropped-1.4346550?mode=amp

    I think this would be a good idea.
    just release a weekly figure & inform people if there is an outbreak in a certain area to social distance etc.


  • #5637
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,782 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't see any country that has implemented ALL of what I listed.

    ALL of what you listed? Talk about changing the goalposts.
    Wuhan, France, Spain and Italy's lockdown rules were all stricter than ours.
    You can charge us with being slower to come out of lockdown but to pretend we were micro-managed more strictly than in other countries is fantasy stuff.

    It shows how trivial some of our concerns are today here that people are getting worked up about having to pay for a meal to get a drink.
    Considering the scale of the restrictions in the above countries in March.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5638
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    It’s really shown us up as people with zero steel in us, lacking the ability the just get on with things. Where has this come from? All the hysteria opening schools for example, when schools in Europe opened months ago. And the nonsense now with the restaurants having to keep a record of food consumed for 28 days. We seem to be afraid of everything. Where is the pragmatism in this country which the rest of Europe seems to have?
    This is a consequence of the nanny state .... unfortunately. The backbones that existed a couple of decades ago is nowhere to be seen in our elected representatives or in much of the electorate. It appears that, compared to other European countries, many Irish people have turned very soft with a lot of hand-holding required for even the most basic functions of living. It is very embarrassing.


  • #5639
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I can tell you from living in the UK- there is practically eff all enforcement.

    Sure all the rules about this and that but it's all window dressing.

    Listening to the Swedish approach this morning on the news which is to educate the population rather than some hardcore State intervention.


  • #5640
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    ALL of what you listed? Talk about changing the goalposts.
    Wuhan, France, Spain and Italy's lockdown rules were all stricter than ours.
    You can charge us with being slower to come out of lockdown but to pretend we were micro-managed more strictly than in other countries is fantasy stuff.

    It shows how trivial some of our concerns are today here that people are getting worked up about having to pay for a meal to get a drink.
    Considering the scale of the restrictions in the above countries in March.

    Ah, they all ditched those restrictions months ago now.

    We still have all the ones I listed apart from the travel restrictions.


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  • #5641
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Someone posted on here last night about the 30% myocarditis rate among BIG10 college football players.

    Shocker, it’s not true.
    https://twitter.com/BonaguraESPN/status/1301644428025540608?s=20


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