Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

tobefrank321 · 03-09-2020 04:44PM

While its possible some deaths are not reported for 3 months or more after they happened, its likely the vast majority are reported within weeks of them happening. At the peak, deaths were being reported quickly, sometimes too quickly in that they were suspected rather than confirmed.

Wolf359f · 03-09-2020 04:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Keep in mind there are reports of private testing. These numbers won't be in the HSE postive swab data

Technically no, but on the dashboard the swabs are reported as 'Total Positive Tests' (we just call them swabs) which are notified to the HSPC. I would assume all private positive results are notified to the HSPC and that figure should reflect that.

seamus · 03-09-2020 04:45PM

Numbers seem to be really stable now. Holding in and around 100 cases/day over the last two weeks, test positivity rate holding around 1.2%. As much as the government's cack-handed way of putting in the new measures pissed everyone off, they do seem to be having some effect.

I would expect to see a small increase from the schools, but by the 21st of the month we should know the state of play as regards pubs and further reopenings, as well as the knock on effect (if any) on hospital numbers.

Sofa King · 03-09-2020 04:50PM

How many active cases do we have?

Worldometer hasn't updated the recovered list for months now.

stephenjmcd · 03-09-2020 04:52PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Technically no, but on the dashboard the swabs are reported as 'Total Positive Tests' (we just call them swabs) which are notified to the HSPC. I would assume all private positive results are notified to the HSPC and that figure should reflect that.

That swab data comes from HSE into dashboard not HPSC. I've tracked these over the months and its been this way for a long time. Remains to be seen when and where private tests are added in.

From the dashboard:

This dashboard provides a daily overview on Laboratory Testing figures. Headline data is provided for tests completed and positive results – total, last 7 days and last 24 hours.

Time series data is available for total tests completed, positivity rate (total and last 7 days) and total tests completed by both Laboratories (NVRL and Cherry Orchard) and Hospitals.

This data is provided by the HSE COVID-19 Daily lab tracker system. Data presented are reported by the HPSC at 3pm each day (data as of midnight previous day). This data will be updated on a daily basis from Monday to Saturday.

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 04:53PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53810610#:~:text=The%20loss%20of%20smell%20that,to%20be%20sudden%20and%20severe.

They're a bunch of bloody doctors, ffs. He had covid.

So, the BBC article you link to says that the "loss of smell that can accompany coronavirus is unique and different from that experienced by someone with a bad cold or flu, say European researchers who have studied the experiences of patients. When Covid-19 patients have smell loss it tends to be sudden and severe."

The indestructible young doctor in the RTE article (from Pascal Sheehy.......) states "He now knows he contracted the virus then, although he did not realise it at the time.
The virus passed through Owen and he carried on as usual. "

Doesn't sound too severe to me, but sounds very like a lot of the narcissistic people cropping up all over the place with retrospective Covid.

By your measure, we shouldn't bother doing testing anymore. Sure they had a symptom that could be covid. Tick!

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Am I the only person on the planet that has loss of smell with a bad flu?

Because he lost his smell doesn't mean he had covid. Its certainly not a unique symptom to covid.

In fact, you can lose a sense of smell for several reasons. Michael Hutchence lost his sense of smell after banging his head.

There are numerous reasons for losing this sense.

Agreed. But not if you want to join the gang and get on news articles though. Especially the news articles from our State broadcaster that refer to "post Covid syndrom" without identifying if it's actually post Covid. If he had a positive test fine. If not GTFO.

What Username Guidelines · 03-09-2020 04:54PM

Sofa King wrote: »

How many active cases do we have?

Worldometer hasn't updated the recovered list for months now.

Worldometer is crowd-sourced from users with official sources (like a link to a dashboard, a tweet from a verified news account or politician, etc)

The number they have is from someone linking to maybe Simon Harris quoting a figure, so until HSPC/HSE/NPHET announce the current figure, it'll stay at that value unfortunately.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

While its possible some deaths are not reported for 3 months or more after they happened, its likely the vast majority are reported within weeks of them happening. At the peak, deaths were being reported quickly, sometimes too quickly in that they were suspected rather than confirmed.

It would even be useful to know the avg (or median :pac:) time of death to reporting on all-causes at the moment? At least then you could draw some conclusions.

babyboom · 03-09-2020 04:56PM

I've seen it repeatedly stated here that no one has died recently from Covid. As I posted last night, I heard of the death of someone 'from Covid which occurred yesterday. I don't know when the death will be included in the figures but just because there are historical deaths being reported now doesn't mean none are occurring.

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 04:57PM

babyboom wrote: »

I've seen it repeatedly stated here that no one has died recently from Covid. As I posted last night, I heard of the death of someone 'from Covid which occurred yesterday. I don't know when the death will be included in the figures but just because there are historical deaths being reported now doesn't mean none are occurring.

There's no connection between saying that recent figures are not showing people dying of covid (bar the historic case yesterday) and suggesting that nobody is or will die from it. The case you refer to will filter in in due course.

hmmm · 03-09-2020 05:08PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Doesn't sound too severe to me, but sounds very like a lot of the narcissistic people cropping up all over the place with retrospective Covid.

I don't think a bout of severe narcissism put him in ICU.

What Username Guidelines · 03-09-2020 05:09PM

seamus wrote: »

Numbers seem to be really stable now. Holding in and around 100 cases/day over the last two weeks, test positivity rate holding around 1.2%. As much as the government's cack-handed way of putting in the new measures pissed everyone off, they do seem to be having some effect.

I would expect to see a small increase from the schools, but by the 21st of the month we should know the state of play as regards pubs and further reopenings, as well as the knock on effect (if any) on hospital numbers.

Italy is also showing an uptick that appears to be 'stalling' in around the 1,300-1,400 number, certainly not climbing in the same manner as March. They're also about 12x our population, which fits our similar numbers. Given the state of testing in march vs now, it appears to give more weight to the argument that march numbers were massively undercounted everywhere.

gipi · 03-09-2020 05:11PM

fits wrote: »

A family member has to physically go in with a form into the registry office. Not the nicest job in the world and some might put it off.

The death can be registered by post or email now, no need for people to visit the registrar's office.

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 05:13PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't think a bout of severe narcissism put him in ICU.

Agreed. It's what gave him after the event Covid and an RTE interview.

drunkmonkey · 03-09-2020 05:16PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

According to this in Italy:
Face masks are mandatory for all children over the age of six when they're on school premises, except for in gym class, when eating in canteens and answering a teacher.

https://www.thelocal.it/20200806/how-will-italy-schools-change-when-they-reopen

If you look around Europe most do not require students to sit at their desk with a mask on, it's when there in communal areas and moving between class. Were out on our own with our guidelines.
We've created a situation where we can't take them off ever, well maybe in 5/10yrs when we know long term effects of whatever vaccine is mandated.
The rules are all over the place, it should be up to the person. Back to the Nuremberg Code, Article 6 section 3.

We have no idea if masks are of any benefit the way we've implemented them, that's the simple truth of the situation.
It should have been fact based with a clear outcome, we have neither.

How long are you prepared to wear one? When do you think it's time time to try life without one? When the vaccine arrives is not an answer, it may never arrive.

odyssey06 · 03-09-2020 05:24PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If you look around Europe most do not require students to sit at their desk with a mask on, it's when there in communal areas and moving between class. Were out on our own with our guidelines.
We've created a situation where we can't take them off ever, well maybe in 5/10yrs when we know long term effects of whatever vaccine is mandated.
The rules are all over the place, it should be up to the person. Back to the Nuremberg Code, Article 6 section 3.
We have no idea if mask are of any benefit the.way we've implemented them, that's the simple truth of the situation.
It should have been fact based with a clear outcome, we have neither.

We are not on our own with our guidelines, based on the information available and the sparse information you have provided.
You keep claiming that without any proof or source or citation whatsoever.
In the same post you contradict yourself, first it is "we are on our own", then it is "most do not require". Which is it?

If you look around Europe - I just did.
I just showed with information on Italy and South Korea that we are not on our own.
I am including South Korea because in your original claim you made no mention of Europe specifically.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200806/how-will-italy-schools-change-when-they-reopen

I repeat, we are not on our own with these guidelines.
There is a Masks thread already, I am not here to debate the pros and cons of mask wearing. But declaring that Ireland is out of line with its restrictions on masks versus other countries in education is false.

hullaballoo · 03-09-2020 05:35PM

Difficult to understand how people are still reluctant to wear a mask (or even arguing against them :rolleyes:) - a non-invasive, relatively comfortable, cheap and thanks to something called "pivoting" apparently, now also potentially even fashionable.

Of all of the measures being advised by health officials, masks are literally the easiest one to comply with and come at almost no personal cost.

I'd wear a mask in public every day for the rest of my life if it meant none of my friends and family getting sick or dying from Covid. I wouldn't even see it as a sacrifice.

As for arguing that there's no evidence masks help protect people against an airborne virus. Well sure look. :rolleyes:

Some people are "done" with the virus. "Over it". That's all grand and sorry if the virus is inconveniencing you slightly. The rest of us are sitting happy enough with what are at this stage very minor remaining inconveniences if it means keeping a lid on the virus.

Honestly for all the harping on about evidence, research, prove this, prove that, back up your post, there's very little sign of common sense or common decency from some quarters. Really gives you the measure of people.

redarmy · 03-09-2020 05:41PM

#covid19ireland: 95 cases today
- 52 men, 43 women
- 67% are under 45
- 47% associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case; 16 cases from community transmission
- 51 in Dublin, 6 in Kildare, 6 in Meath; remaining 32 cases across 16 counties

MOR316 · 03-09-2020 05:41PM

hullaballoo wrote: »

Difficult to understand how people are still reluctant to wear a mask (or even arguing against them :rolleyes:) - a non-invasive, relatively comfortable, cheap and thanks to something called "pivoting" apparently, now also potentially even fashionable.

Of all of the measures being advised by health officials, masks are literally the easiest one to comply with and come at almost no personal cost.

I'd wear a mask in public every day for the rest of my life if it meant none of my friends and family getting sick or dying from Covid. I wouldn't even see it as a sacrifice.

As for arguing that there's no evidence masks help protect people against an airborne virus. Well sure look. :rolleyes:

Some people are "done" with the virus. "Over it". That's all grand and sorry if the virus is inconveniencing you slightly. The rest of us are sitting happy enough with what are at this stage very minor remaining inconveniences if it means keeping a lid on the virus.

Honestly for all the harping on about evidence, research, prove this, prove that, back up your post, there's very little sign of common sense or common decency from some quarters. Really gives you the measure of people.

I wear a mask. I don't mind it at all.

But, I know it's not going to stop me getting the virus. I also know it's not going to stop me spreading it if I had it.

Either way, I don't mind it at all. It stops people from stopping me for a chat so, I'm happy

ACitizenErased · 03-09-2020 05:41PM

51 in Dublin, 6 in Kildare, 6 in Meath, the remaining 32 cases are Carlow, Clare, Cork, Kerry, Kilkenny, Laois, Limerick, Longford, Louth, Mayo, Offaly, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow.

manofwisdom · 03-09-2020 05:42PM

95 cases 0 deaths.

blowitupref · 03-09-2020 05:46PM

First 4 days last week 496 cases from 29775 tests.

First 4 days this week 454 cases from 34034

42 less cases from 4259 extra tests carried out.

drunkmonkey · 03-09-2020 05:46PM

hullaballoo wrote: »

I'd wear a mask in public every day for the rest of my life if it meant none of my friends and family getting sick or dying from Covid. I wouldn't even see it as a sacrifice.

That's great for you but where's the line, just because you feel that way the state shouldn't be sending people who don't have the same fear or risk of death from Covid to Jail.
Where do we stop, people can still drive cars, smoke, drink, cycle, cross the road. Will you stop doing all those things as statically there no bigger a threat to your family.
It's a personal choice, the fact it requires such punitive measures for people to buy in says it all.

C__MC · 03-09-2020 05:47PM

Open the pubs

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 05:48PM

C__MC wrote: »

Open the pubs

Properly. Trusting pubs to run the show properly without this time limit and food nonsense. And if a pub does not ensure social distancing fine, deal with it.

But...Open the pubs!

03-09-2020 05:50PM

rusty cole wrote: »

really?? He died on May 3rd and I could be wrong but it doesnt give his admission date.

It takes anything from 2-14 days to show symptoms if you do so at all.
He could have had Covid from April 20th and not had so much as a peep.
That still may have remained the case until such time as he had the crash
and became deeply unwell from his injuries.

If you swabbed him and it showed he had chlamydia, would that be listed as a cause of death or a factor also. he died with it, not from it and this is the problem.
So it was all 3 that killed him. that's a clever way to get it on a death cert anyway.

It states he was ventilated after getting covid

MOR316 · 03-09-2020 05:51PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Properly. Trusting pubs to run the show properly without this time limit and food nonsense. And if a pub does not ensure social distancing fine, deal with it.

But...Open the pubs!

Well, whatever about your sarcasm and social distancing, if anyone truly believes you're safe against a virus by buying food in a pub, they need to be sectioned immediately

What Username Guidelines · 03-09-2020 05:51PM

hullaballoo wrote: »

Difficult to understand how people are still reluctant to wear a mask (or even arguing against them :rolleyes:) - a non-invasive, relatively comfortable, cheap and thanks to something called "pivoting" apparently, now also potentially even fashionable.

Of all of the measures being advised by health officials, masks are literally the easiest one to comply with and come at almost no personal cost.

I'd wear a mask in public every day for the rest of my life if it meant none of my friends and family getting sick or dying from Covid. I wouldn't even see it as a sacrifice.

As for arguing that there's no evidence masks help protect people against an airborne virus. Well sure look. :rolleyes:

Some people are "done" with the virus. "Over it". That's all grand and sorry if the virus is inconveniencing you slightly. The rest of us are sitting happy enough with what are at this stage very minor remaining inconveniences if it means keeping a lid on the virus.

Honestly for all the harping on about evidence, research, prove this, prove that, back up your post, there's very little sign of common sense or common decency from some quarters. Really gives you the measure of people.

Well said. I find the arguments so baffling that if it wasn't such a serious situation it would be hilarious.

"You could touch your mask with covid on your hands. Now covid is on your mask." yeah well it was already on your hand

"The virus is tiny and can get through cloth masks" True, but seeing as the virus rides around on droplets, any reduction in the number of droplets leaving someones mouth or nose will help

"People might wear them wrong" So what? Do we believe that 100% of the population are washing their hands perfectly with soap and warm water?

tobefrank321 · 03-09-2020 05:52PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't think a bout of severe narcissism put him in ICU.

Its not too much to ask for an official confirmation though.

You wouldn't lock a suspect up if the crime wasn't confirmed by evidence.

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 05:53PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Well, whatever about your sarcasm and social distancing, if anyone truly believes you're safe against a virus by buying food in a pub, they need to be sectioned immediately

Not sure what you mean on the sarcasm bit, but we are agreed on the food bit!

tobefrank321 · 03-09-2020 05:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It states he was ventilated after getting covid

Aged 84 and just after being in a car accident. The most vulnerable of the most vulnerable and he'd be in trouble with any infection. Unfortunately covid tends to take out the very weakest. I've a feeling the car accident didn't help his cause.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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