Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

odyssey06 · 03-09-2020 03:39PM

rusty cole wrote: »

a bit like this one...so how would you say he died??
I'd bet an 84yr old died from his injuries, the cause of death was documented as Covid..
same shyte going on in Ireland no doubt.
https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/crash-victim-died-after-contracting-18268999

If contracting covid-19 impacted his ability to be treated and recover from the crash injuries, it is correct it is listed alongside the traffic injuries as causes of death.

Hrududu · 03-09-2020 03:39PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've went over this in a another thread not point in rehashing it, if you'd like to show where there is a country with the same draconian measures as us will your please tell us which one.
Remember the bar we set is 6mts in Jail and denial of education.

To be fair you made the claim that no other country had made masks mandatory for students. When asked for proof you ask for other people to prove that your statement is false.

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.

I’m actually interested to see if we are the only ones so if you have a link it would be great.

drunkmonkey · 03-09-2020 03:44PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Two hairdressers in America had covid, their doctors said it was allergies, they wore masks anyways and turned out that they did have covid.

They had 130 clients between the two of them. All of them wore masks as well. None of these clients caught covid.

This is real world with mask wearing. Certainly not a laboratory environment.

You do know the time for testing had passed in a lot of those, very little of them were tested they only got a call to ask if they had symptoms, as per usual all asymptomatic. It was hardly a scientific study definitely not on par with the studies that have been done in the real world..
It was convenient story to suit an agenda, still been trotted out and being used to deny real world evidence.
You can not assume none of them go it.

drunkmonkey · 03-09-2020 03:46PM

Hrududu wrote: »

To be fair you made the claim that no other country had made masks mandatory for students. When asked for proof you ask for other people to prove that your statement is false.

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.

I’m actually interested to see if we are the only ones so if you have a link it would be great.

I posted it over in the schools thread a while ago, it wasn't challenged, I didn't book mark it. Will have a look later see can I find it but it was correct, Germany and a few other countries mandated them but only areas in lockdown.

03-09-2020 03:47PM

Nice to see everyone in here getting along so well.

billybonkers · 03-09-2020 03:52PM

What did our source have for today's beer count?

Seamai · 03-09-2020 03:53PM

Always_Running wrote: »

From gov.scot

A total of 602,795 people in Scotland have been tested. Of these people: 20,889 were positive

The ROI 852,007 tested and 29,114 were positive.

That's interesting, as a whole the UK's testing figures leap froged over us a long while back so Scotland must have a different policy to England when it comes to the criteria for testing. Their death rate while a bit below the country as a whole is still considerably higher than here.

odyssey06 · 03-09-2020 03:53PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I posted it over in the schools thread a while ago, it wasn't challenged, I didn't book mark it. Will have a look later see can I find it but it was correct, Germany and a few other countries mandated them but only areas in lockdown.

According to this in Italy:
Face masks are mandatory for all children over the age of six when they're on school premises, except for in gym class, when eating in canteens and answering a teacher.

https://www.thelocal.it/20200806/how-will-italy-schools-change-when-they-reopen

And South Korea:
Students and teachers will have to wear a mask except for during mealtimes, wipe their desks and maintain distance as they move around.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-school-idUSKBN22G0TJ

PCros · 03-09-2020 03:53PM

billybonkers wrote: »

What did our source have for today's beer count?

95 new cases - 0 deaths

hmmm · 03-09-2020 03:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I posted it over in the schools thread a while ago, it wasn't challenged, I didn't book mark it. Will have a look later see can I find it but it was correct, Germany and a few other countries mandated them but only areas in lockdown.

Here, did a quick google for you:
https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53892357

Widdensushi · 03-09-2020 03:56PM

1 historic death announced yesterday in a manner that means most of the population thinks someone died yesterday. 1 historic death denoted yesterday in a manner that very few people noticed it at all. Really it would be better say nothing at all 1-1=0

munchkin_utd · 03-09-2020 03:59PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I posted it over in the schools thread a while ago, it wasn't challenged, I didn't book mark it. Will have a look later see can I find it but it was correct, Germany and a few other countries mandated them but only areas in lockdown.

nope, NRW and Bavaria had/ have compulsory mask wearing in schools for the first weeks of school going back. The NRW measures expired a couple of days ago, Bavaria goes back to school next Tuesday.

The other part is correct though that it normally will only kick in with a partial lockdown, for instance if the incidence hits 35 per 100k (over 7 days) in Bavaria then secondary students need to wear masks, if it hits 50 then also primary - on a district basis (Landkreis, so eqivalent to a subsection of an irish county, maybe barrony would be the only equivalent) or if its a really concentrated outbreak just at town or village level .

fits · 03-09-2020 04:00PM

PCros wrote: »

Wonder what the back story is behind these ones...over 2 months late?

A family member has to physically go in with a form into the registry office. Not the nicest job in the world and some might put it off.

Away With The Fairies · 03-09-2020 04:02PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You do know the time for testing had passed in a lot of those, very little of them were tested they only got a call to ask if they had symptoms, as per usual all asymptomatic. It was hardly a scientific study definitely not on par with the studies that have been done in the real world..
It was convenient story to suit an agenda, still been trotted out and being used to deny real world evidence.
You can not assume none of them go it.

Do you know more about this study to say that people were asymptomatic?

Brianmwalker · 03-09-2020 04:02PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

1 historic death announced yesterday in a manner that means most of the population thinks someone died yesterday. 1 historic death denoted yesterday in a manner that very few people noticed it at all. Really it would be better say nothing at all 1-1=0

Maybe 100 died yesterday and aren't reported yet. Should nothing at all be reported then too?

is_that_so · 03-09-2020 04:03PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

1 historic death announced yesterday in a manner that means most of the population thinks someone died yesterday. 1 historic death denoted yesterday in a manner that very few people noticed it at all. Really it would be better say nothing at all 1-1=0

Then the story would be a cover up. We've known for a long time that these deaths are often not very current.

Benimar · 03-09-2020 04:08PM

137 positives on 12,501 tests.

Positivity rate very low which is good.

Possibility that there are 40-50 positives now in the system still to be reported (assuming the 95 beers today are correct), which isn't so great.

Widdensushi · 03-09-2020 04:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Then the story would be a cover up. We've known for a long time that these deaths are often not very current.

The headline should be 1 death from June and another death denoted

eigrod · 03-09-2020 04:13PM

Benimar wrote: »

137 positives on 12,501 tests.

Positivity rate very low which is good.

Possibility that there are 40-50 positives now in the system still to be reported (assuming the 95 beers today are correct), which isn't so great.

That’s a lot of tests. Positivity rate of 1.09% is really low.

03-09-2020 04:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Think you need to re read the article. He crashed his car, got hospitalised, got Covid during recovery and died of Covid.

really?? He died on May 3rd and I could be wrong but it doesnt give his admission date.

It takes anything from 2-14 days to show symptoms if you do so at all.
He could have had Covid from April 20th and not had so much as a peep.
That still may have remained the case until such time as he had the crash
and became deeply unwell from his injuries.

If you swabbed him and it showed he had chlamydia, would that be listed as a cause of death or a factor also. he died with it, not from it and this is the problem.
So it was all 3 that killed him. that's a clever way to get it on a death cert anyway.

Wolf359f · 03-09-2020 04:19PM

Always_Running wrote: »

From gov.scot

A total of 602,795 people in Scotland have been tested. Of these people: 20,889 were positive

The ROI 852,007 tested and 29,114 were positive.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure it’s comparing like with like. They have tested 602,795 people, we have conducted 852,007 tests. They also seem to have conducted about 1.2 million tests. About 50% more than us. Not 300% more

The ROI figure is total tests, it's not the same as people tested (as some maybe tested twice). I know England don't post the number of people tested anymore.
They basically counted a posted out home test as a completed test, even though some were never returned. It's very convoluted with all their pillar testing etc... probably intentionally so they can just go with the number of total tests figures as a sign of the best testing a tracking system worldwide! lol

Always_Running · 03-09-2020 04:23PM

Benimar wrote: »

137 positives on 12,501 tests.

Positivity rate very low which is good.

Possibility that there are 40-50 positives now in the system still to be reported (assuming the 95 beers today are correct), which isn't so great.

Up to 58 back log cases i count that could be added in. Probably be done Saturday as the last 4 Saturdays was 142,156,174 and 200 cases. .

Wolf359f · 03-09-2020 04:24PM

Benimar wrote: »

137 positives on 12,501 tests.

Positivity rate very low which is good.

Possibility that there are 40-50 positives now in the system still to be reported (assuming the 95 beers today are correct), which isn't so great.

Past 7 days:
Total positive Swabs: 760
Total Positive cases: 670 (excluding today's new cases)
Difference of 90

Widdensushi · 03-09-2020 04:27PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Past 7 days:
Total positive Swabs: 760
Total Positive cases: 670 (excluding today's new cases)
Difference of 90

Do the figures match up prior to that? Could some of it be retesting people who are thought recovered?

manofwisdom · 03-09-2020 04:31PM

eigrod wrote: »

That’s a lot of tests. Positivity rate of 1.09% is really low.

Only 1 day in the last month had we a higher testing figure for 24hr period.

Boggles · 03-09-2020 04:36PM

rusty cole wrote: »

really?? He died on May 3rd and I could be wrong but it doesnt give his admission date.

It takes anything from 2-14 days to show symptoms if you do so at all.
He could have had Covid from April 20th and not had so much as a peep.
That still may have remained the case until such time as he had the crash
and became deeply unwell from his injuries.

He contracted the virus after the crash. i.e. in hospital

An 84-year-old who was severely injured in a car crash and taken to the hospital died after he contracted Covid-19 while on a ward.

Now unless you can prove he would have died anyway if he didn't contract Covid, you are just talking scutter.

Wolf359f · 03-09-2020 04:36PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Do the figures match up prior to that? Could some of it be retesting people who are thought recovered?

Historically, 1 in 8 were a retest that was positive or a duplicate.
32475 positive swabs vs 29114 cases confirmed. That seems to be dropping recently, meaning they doesn't seem to be as many duplicates lately.

I only have the positive swab figures going back to 11th July, which was 28772 positive swabs. Since then there has been 3829 positive swabs and 3573 new cases announced. A difference of 256, but it's hard to know how many, if any were duplicate swabs.

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 04:40PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Quote slightly edited for accuracy

:rolleyes:

Widdensushi · 03-09-2020 04:41PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Historically, 1 in 8 were a retest that was positive or a duplicate.
32475 positive swabs vs 29114 cases confirmed. That seems to be dropping recently, meaning they doesn't seem to be as many duplicates lately.

I only have the positive swab figures going back to 11th July, which was 28772 positive swabs. Since then there has been 3829 positive swabs and 3573 new cases announced. A difference of 256, but it's hard to know how many, if any were duplicate swabs.

Thank you very much

stephenjmcd · 03-09-2020 04:42PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Past 7 days:
Total positive Swabs: 760
Total Positive cases: 670 (excluding today's new cases)
Difference of 90

Keep in mind there are reports of private testing. These numbers won't be in the HSE postive swab data which might throw it off slightly.

Quite possible that we might see another day where they throw in cases that are spread over a few days as we got already this week

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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