Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Speak Now · 03-09-2020 12:54PM

penelope2012 wrote: »

How are beers looking today so much on this thread that I might have missed them!

Still brewing!

normanoffside · 03-09-2020 12:59PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

101 new cases, 1 death

five day rolling average now 139

R believed to be about 1.4 - Sturgeon just now: "The virus is spreading again here"

So much for her ‘zero Covid’ strategy

ninebeanrows · 03-09-2020 01:03PM

England looks to be doing surprisingly well at the moment, I was expecting to see another large upsurge but generally it is very stable and everything is pretty much open.

Plumbthedepths · 03-09-2020 01:08PM

normanoffside wrote: »

So much for her ‘zero Covid’ strategy

It doesn't work despite the push by Staines and Co for our government to go for it.

Widdensushi · 03-09-2020 01:10PM

no.8 wrote: »

This implies a certain level of fitness, which seems to go right over your head.
Click bait? Did he make it all up AND if so....do you have any evidence to support your comment there Thierry?

Why wouldn't he, Alot of young children do it, can you prove he didn't?

fits · 03-09-2020 01:11PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It doesn't work despite the push by Staines and Co for our government to go for it.

It has been said repeatedly it will only work if all four jurisdictions go for it.

ninebeanrows · 03-09-2020 01:11PM

Our strategy must be to protect the key vulnerable groups from this virus until vaccine but enable society for those under 65 to pretty much continue as much as possible as normal.

Sweden's rate per 100k continues to decline, 24.9 per 100k, well below ours at the moment which is 30.1

A notable upswing in cases in Hungary in last few days, 349 cases yesterday.

There is a clear message here, you can delay as much as you want but this virus is going to arrive at some point, you need to be prepared with social distancing, mask wearing where appropriate but allow economies to function and not allow bottle necks in your health or social services to develop which will further exacerbate things

Wolf359f · 03-09-2020 01:12PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

England looks to be doing surprisingly well at the moment, I was expecting to see another large upsurge but generally it is very stable and everything is pretty much open.

They have had their highest weekly figures since May, so maybe not on the stable side. They have also been doing quite a number of local lockdowns to keep numbers down. But compared to where they were they are still doing well.

fits · 03-09-2020 01:13PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Why wouldn't he, Alot of young children do it, can you prove he didn't?

Have you ever been up it? Its not so much the climb as its a bloody long long walk for a four year old.

Kerry Climbing's kid goes up it with him but Im not sure when she started. I have doubts any four year old could do it.

Oranage2 · 03-09-2020 01:13PM

I climbed carrantuohill a few years back, took a long time but it wasn't that challenging, did it with family members in their 50s with low levels of fitness. Saw many children do it too.

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 01:15PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

That's probably what happened. The positivity rate back then was about 10% most days, whereas these days its just above 1% which seems to be the international norm. So back then we were only catching maybe 1/10th of cases.

200 cases a day now is far less serious than 200 cases a day back then because back then 200 cases was the tip of the iceberg.

Depends on the context of the testing obviously.
if testing for asymptomatic contacts in a work setting vs testing individual family clusters.

Plumbthedepths · 03-09-2020 01:16PM

fits wrote: »

It has been said repeatedly it will only work if all four jurisdictions go for it.

Only one Jurisdiction in NZ how's it working out there? It's basically a kick the can down the road exercise.

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 01:17PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The vast majority of suspected covid 19 cases admitted to hospital turn out not to be covid 19.

Unless he was confirmed as covid 19 positive, we simply do not know what he had. He might have had it, he might have had something else entirely.

Again , context lacking here.
Patients are routinely screened for Covid before being admitted for elective treatment.
Obviously different from testing people admitted with symptoms of Covid.

fits · 03-09-2020 01:20PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I climbed carrantuohill a few years back, took a long time but it wasn't that challenging, did it with family members in their 50s with low levels of fitness. Saw many children do it too.

They werent four!

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 01:21PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

They had weeks and months to prepare for covid 19 once it stared taking off in China and Italy. Protect nursing homes and then encourage other limited measures like they did in Sweden and there would have been no need for any retail closures or lockdowns.

In any other job they would be fired and the same for the medical experts advising them.

Really?

Sweden didn't protect nursing homes very well either . Nor did Canada .

wadacrack · 03-09-2020 01:23PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Our strategy must be to protect the key vulnerable groups from this virus until vaccine but enable society for those under 65 to pretty much continue as much as possible as normal.

Sweden's rate per 100k continues to decline, 24.9 per 100k, well below ours at the moment which is 30.1

A notable upswing in cases in Hungary in last few days, 349 cases yesterday.

There is a clear message here, you can delay as much as you want but this virus is going to arrive at some point, you need to be prepared with social distancing, mask wearing where appropriate but allow economies to function and not allow bottle necks in your health or social services to develop which will further exacerbate things

This will vary in most countries. Ireland's hospital capacity means its likely we will slower to open up. People will have to accept that. A one size fits all approach very unlikely

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 01:23PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Did this 23 year old actually end up in ICU or are RTE wheeling out crisis actors?

Heart and lung failure. Direct result of Covid. Who to believe.

Fair play to him sharing his experience.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1301429981705318402?s=20

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

In short Owen got very sick , has recovered and is back at work.

podgeandrodge wrote:

Where does it state he had Covid? "He now knows he contracted the virus then" and has "post-Covid syndrome", which I hadn't heard of. But did he have a test that showed he had the virus? Sorry, maybe I missed it?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

All I got from the piece was he got sick and recovered. Working in a Kerry hospital now but you are correct nowhere does it state he was diagnosed with Covid. Unlike RTE to be loose with the facts.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's a few news pieces out on this doctor. His sense of smell was off back in march but it wasn't a known symptom back then. That was all he had.

But sure, someone will come along and deny he never had covid because of a lack of the common symptoms and test.

And I'm sure when you went looking for confirmation that he had Covid you'd have posted it right here if there was something to support it. Your statement that there will be "someone to come along and deny he had covid" is ludicrous. Nobody can confirm if he had it except for himself. And I can't find anything on him saying he was confirmed (but perhaps someone will).

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah you musta missed it. The direct quote got cut out when you quoted it. I quoted the relevant part of the article. Above for your convenience again. Here's the full link. He could of course be a deep state crisis actor but I'd say he just wants to warn people to take pre cautions as it can be very serious for anyone.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0903/1162901-doctor-suffers-post-covid/

I "musta missed it"???? In your rush to imply I 'accidentally' removed it from my quote, you may have missed that I directly referenced his statement that he had "post covid syndrome", which I hadn't heard of, but understand it to be a concept than a factual confirmation that the 'sufferer' actually had Covid.

You literally stated "Heart and lung failure. Direct result of Covid" - It's entirely reasonable to ask for clarification as to whether he had it or not. And if he did, it's a bit remiss of the various articles not to state so.

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 01:26PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

101 new cases, 1 death

five day rolling average now 139

R believed to be about 1.4 - Sturgeon just now: "The virus is spreading again here"

Nicola Sturgeon 's daily briefings are amazing .
they are detailed to the point and specific about whichever area has had an increase.
She appears to be in control which is good for the Scottish.
MM should watch a few and take tips.

Plumbthedepths · 03-09-2020 01:28PM

fits wrote: »

They werent four!

The child in the article had just turned six, although that was two years ago possible a younger child has done it since. Nice and all as that maybe but really who cares.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/six-year-old-celebrates-birthday-at-the-top-of-carrauntoohil-36860800.html

03-09-2020 01:32PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

And I'm sure when you went looking for confirmation that he had Covid you'd have posted it right here if there was something to support it. Your statement that there will be "someone to come along and deny he had covid" is ludicrous. Nobody can confirm if he had it except for himself. And I can't find anything on him saying he was confirmed (but perhaps someone will).

I "musta missed it"???? In your rush to imply I 'accidentally' removed it from my quote, you may have missed that I directly referenced his statement that he had "post covid syndrome", which I hadn't heard of, but understand it to be a concept than a factual confirmation that the 'sufferer' actually had Covid.

You literally stated "Heart and lung failure. Direct result of Covid" - It's entirely reasonable to ask for clarification as to whether he had it or not. And if he did, it's a bit remiss of the various articles not to state so.

It’s very likey that this doctor in fact did have Covid. Other viruses can produce the same after effects, however given he worked in CUH during the initial outbreak, had loss of smell and taste and the subsequent effects, the likelihood of something else causing his issues are very low. He ha however now fully recovered.

My take from this however is, given he had an unusual symptom and worked in healthcare, even if loss of smell wasn’t specifically called out at the time, he should have been tested.

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 01:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The child in the article had just turned six, although that was two years ago possible a younger child has done it since. Nice and all as that maybe but really who cares.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/six-year-old-celebrates-birthday-at-the-top-of-carrauntoohil-36860800.html

Aahh you do or you wouldn't have gone to the trouble of looking that up and posting it , would you?

Goldengirl · 03-09-2020 01:35PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

And I'm sure when you went looking for confirmation that he had Covid you'd have posted it right here if there was something to support it. Your statement that there will be "someone to come along and deny he had covid" is ludicrous. Nobody can confirm if he had it except for himself. And I can't find anything on him saying he was confirmed (but perhaps someone will).

I "musta missed it"???? In your rush to imply I 'accidentally' removed it from my quote, you may have missed that I directly referenced his statement that he had "post covid syndrome", which I hadn't heard of, but understand it to be a concept than a factual confirmation that the 'sufferer' actually had Covid.

You literally stated "Heart and lung failure. Direct result of Covid" - It's entirely reasonable to ask for clarification as to whether he had it or not. And if he did, it's a bit remiss of the various articles not to state so.

As he is a healthcare worker he would have been tested.

podgeandrodge · 03-09-2020 01:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s very likey that this doctor in fact did have Covid. Other viruses can produce the same after effects, however given he worked in CUH during the initial outbreak, had loss of smell and taste and the subsequent effects, the likelihood of something else causing his issues are very low. He ha however now fully recovered.

My take from this however is, given he had an unusual symptom and worked in healthcare, even if loss of smell wasn’t specifically called out at the time, he should have been tested.

Not disputed. But that could apply to thousands of us that had varying symptoms. The RTE article quoted was, in the absence of such confirmation, poor quality for referring to post covid symptoms in the absence of a diagnosis. People can hypothesize all they want, but an article like this should have the facts.

Goldengirl wrote: »

As he is a healthcare worker he would have been tested.

Sure! So did he have it? Very odd not to have this stated, perhaps back then he wasn't tested as he didn't report the issue.

Plumbthedepths · 03-09-2020 01:36PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Aahh you do or you wouldn't have gone to the trouble of looking that up and posting it , would you?

Actually it was in response to a silly spat about children climbing it. Yeah I don't care. Do you want justification for every comment made?

fits · 03-09-2020 01:38PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The child in the article had just turned six, although that was two years ago possible a younger child has done it since. Nice and all as that maybe but really who cares.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/six-year-old-celebrates-birthday-at-the-top-of-carrauntoohil-36860800.html

Obviously you do. But you know, it made the paper and he was six.

mandrake04 · 03-09-2020 01:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Only one Jurisdiction in NZ how's it working out there? It's basically a kick the can down the road exercise.

Maybe, but if they can continue to kick the can until a vaccine then they can stop kicking. They have only total of 22 deaths and the last one was in May, plus they are coming into spring/summer and plenty of relatively safe outdoor life.

Looking good in NZ.

Plumbthedepths · 03-09-2020 01:40PM

fits wrote: »

Obviously you do. But you know, it made the paper and he was six.

As I told another I don't. Hopefully though it might settle your silly back and forth.

Plumbthedepths · 03-09-2020 01:42PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Maybe, but if they can continue to kick the can until a vaccine then they can stop kicking. They have only total of 22 deaths and the last one was in May, plus they are coming into spring/summer and plenty of relatively safe outdoor life.

Looking good in NZ.

Fingers, toes and eyes crossed for an effective vaccine so.

mountgomery burns · 03-09-2020 01:45PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

As he is a healthcare worker he would have been tested.

Yeah but not necessarily when he had the symptom which at the time was not listed as a symptom.
It is also a symptom of the common cold in fairness so he might not actually have had it.

One thing I'd ask is "post Covid syndrome" a clinical term and have there been many cases? Are there other examples where two months after diagnosis people have been admitted to ICU?

Is there another possible explanation for his illness? Maybe they have certainty that he had it, it's just not detailed in that article.

Sounds like he never had a positive test though, but of course doesn't mean he did not get infected.

drunkmonkey · 03-09-2020 01:49PM

25% of close contacts not turning up for testing
50% not turning up for second test 7 days later.

MM about to take a lashing if he listens to NPHET and won't let the pubs open. Well played Leo.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/now-is-not-the-time-to-reopen-pubs-hse-clinical-director-39500989.html

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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