No Time to Die Spoilers from post #1449 onward

Arghus · 04-03-2020 6:54pm

Poor James, struck down by Coronavirus.

Always thought it'd be the clap that'd get him in the end.

MisterAnarchy · 04-03-2020 6:54pm

Big Gerry wrote: »

It won't be out next month the release date has been pushed back to November.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8074959/Release-new-James-Bond-film-No-Time-Die-pushed-April-November.html

I have a feeling there could be reshoots now ,a convenient excuse .

pixelburp · 04-03-2020 6:58pm

Yeah, this feels a little out of nowhere; haven't got a sense that outside of big sports or cultural events like St. Patricks, there's much appetite or concern about cancelling every social outlet out there. Does make one wonder if this is masking more reshoots. IIRC the production was pretty hurried to begin with.

johnny_ultimate · 04-03-2020 7:02pm

No Time To Dent Your Box Office Numbers.

It’s a fairly ridiculous move, but I’d be amazed if it is being driven by anything other than dollar / yuan signs. I was laughing at various fan sites earlier this week passionately urging the producers to delay it to save the film’s precious box office - so strange to me to hear third parties so passionately concerned for a mega blockbuster’s financial take.

pixelburp · 04-03-2020 7:08pm

Surely of all the brands relatively bulletproof from external events, Bond would be right up there? You might delay a film with an uncertain future, but Bond? Has there even been any sense that Corvid-19 is even eating into cinema attendances or, anything, really? Hell IIRC it's not even clear if the sales of Corona Lager has been effected by the outbreak

Big Gerry · 04-03-2020 7:11pm

April would have been a weird time to release a Bond movie.

Mr Crispy · 04-03-2020 7:16pm

Maybe the Rami Malek character's master plan is to use bio-warfare?

silverharp · 04-03-2020 7:33pm

surely they should have said delayed release for 007 months

FunLover18 · 04-03-2020 7:55pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Surely of all the brands relatively bulletproof from external events, Bond would be right up there? You might delay a film with an uncertain future, but Bond? Has there even been any sense that Corvid-19 is even eating into cinema attendances or, anything, really? Hell IIRC it's not even clear if the sales of Corona Lager has been effected by the outbreak

Sort of off topic but I think they confirmed sales are down 8% and also this

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1233406525491814400?s=19

Honestly, I'd be more worried for the Fast & Furious franchise

FunLover18 · 04-03-2020 7:58pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Yeah, this feels a little out of nowhere; haven't got a sense that outside of big sports or cultural events like St. Patricks, there's much appetite or concern about cancelling every social outlet out there. Does make one wonder if this is masking more reshoots. IIRC the production was pretty hurried to begin with.

Listening to Simon Brew's Film Stories podcast it seems every Craig-Bond production has been hurried due to Eon's habit of announcing a release date before a script has been written. Unfortunately he doesn't cover all the Bonds in one pod but they're worth a listen if you can search through them.

titan18 · 04-03-2020 8:04pm

pixelburp wrote:

Surely of all the brands relatively bulletproof from external events, Bond would be right up there? You might delay a film with an uncertain future, but Bond? Has there even been any sense that Corvid-19 is even eating into cinema attendances or, anything, really? Hell IIRC it's not even clear if the sales of Corona Lager has been effected by the outbreak

I think cinemas are closed in parts of China. Closed in Italy now today aswell. Wouldn't shock me if Mulan is also delayed.

Rockbeast2 · 04-03-2020 8:10pm

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

Maybe the Rami Malek character's master plan is to use bio-warfare?

Had heard rumours that plot was related to bio-warfare long before Covid-19 outbreak so wouldn't surprise me.

The conspiracy theories about the virus being man-made would not play well in China which is a huge market for Bond.

Simple explanation, though, is the uncertainty of movie theatre closures worldwide.:)

Bacchus · 04-03-2020 8:25pm

Wait, so was Coronavirus some sort of meta-viral marketing campaign for 'No Time To Die' that got out of hand?

branie2 · 04-03-2020 10:38pm

I was really looking to see the film next month :mad:

WhatGoesUp · 04-03-2020 10:57pm

Bit dissapointed to wait but high hopes for this one

B.A._Baracus · 05-03-2020 8:32am

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

Maybe the Rami Malek character's master plan is to use bio-warfare?

I think you could be on to something.
That and also more money by delaying it allowing more people to see it. Especially in China.

All in all from reading the comments I think we are all in agreement it was not for the good of people lol.

MintyMagnum · 05-03-2020 9:29am

'James Bond!

.....no James Bond'

Tony EH · 05-03-2020 1:51pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

38% of Americans wouldn't buy Corona beer "under any circumstances" because of the coronavirus, according to a recent survey.

That's hilariously depressing.

Maybe the price will go down to something reasonable.

Arghus · 05-03-2020 7:34pm

Tony EH wrote: »

That's hilariously depressing.

Maybe the price will go down to something reasonable.

I wonder though if they asked a similar number of American drinkers before the Coronavirus shenigans would they ever drink Corona beer, I betcha that the amount who never would wouldn't be far off 38% to begin with. It's a clickbaity headline.

pixelburp · 03-04-2020 5:20pm

Huh, so today, this film should have come out.

ijohhj · 03-04-2020 5:23pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Huh, so today, this film should have come out.

Thanks.

king size mars bar · 03-04-2020 8:01pm

Think I'm going to bond binge for the few days to make up for it

pixelburp · 03-04-2020 10:33pm

ijohhj wrote: »

Thanks.

Hey, it's the first in a line of big films where the release date has now passed. It's kinda surreal. Obviously nowhere near the most important thing right now, but still odd.

ijohhj · 06-04-2020 6:20pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Hey, it's the first in a line of big films where the release date has now passed.

And we all really needed the necrobump reminder of how crappy things are. :pac:

py2006 · 06-04-2020 8:30pm

The death has been announced of the English actress Honor Blackman, best know for her roles as Pussy Galore in the James Bond adventure Goldfinger

EoinMcLovin · 03-09-2020 12:29pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-81sq05Gs

Muller1991 · 03-09-2020 12:32pm

Looks like a reboot of DR No, Hopefully the cinemas will still be open by the release date.

py2006 · 03-09-2020 12:33pm

Don't watch that trailer, it pretty much shows everything!

Dades · 03-09-2020 2:16pm

Muller1991 wrote: »

Looks like a reboot of DR No.

Even if there was a character in this called Dr No, I'd suggest borrowing a name does not a reboot make.

There's no comparison between early Bonds and current Bonds.

MisterAnarchy · 03-09-2020 5:22pm

py2006 wrote: »

Don't watch that trailer, it pretty much shows everything!

It's a pretty dumb looking trailer .
All action, not much plot.
Kind of puts me off wanting to see it .

pixelburp · 03-09-2020 5:29pm

The stunt on the bridge, and how Bond avoided being run over, was a neat moment; the glider however was too OTT though; does make one wonder just what tone they're going to aim for - and how consistent it'll be in execution.

Given what I've heard about Bond movies & how product placement pays back the budget before it even hits cinemas, presumably any box office taking will be pure profit.

OU812 · 03-09-2020 7:58pm

To be honest, this movie would get me into a cinema this year. (would prefer digital release though). Really looking forward to it.

Hande hoche! · 03-09-2020 10:02pm

Between the glider and some of the other vehicle CGI... getting Die Another Day vibes.

loyatemu · 03-09-2020 10:07pm

Muller1991 wrote: »

Looks like a reboot of DR No, Hopefully the cinemas will still be open by the release date.

It's a long time since I've seen Dr. No, but I don't remember quite as many explosions and stunts.

Generally the last movie made by a Bond actor is terrible (Diamonds are Forever, View to a Kill and Die another Day are all rubbish; I'll ignore Lazenby and Dalton for this theory), so this just has to be ok (or at least less boring than Spectre) to stay ahead of the curve

Sad Professor · 03-09-2020 10:54pm

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Between the glider and some of the other vehicle CGI... getting Die Another Day vibes.

My thoughts exactly!

Tony EH · 04-09-2020 6:20am

loyatemu wrote: »

It's a long time since I've seen Dr. No, but I don't remember quite as many explosions and stunts.

Generally the last movie made by a Bond actor is terrible (Diamonds are Forever, View to a Kill and Die another Day are all rubbish; I'll ignore Lazenby and Dalton for this theory), so this just has to be ok (or at least less boring than Spectre) to stay ahead of the curve

'Spectre' was rubbish because it tried to be a Bond movie. Whereas the other Craig Bonds made efforts to depart a wee bit from the tired old formula and tried to stand on their own, even if it was only in small ways.

I'm hoping that for Craig's last outing, they make an effort to complete his run in a sensible way and not try to do a "Bond" again.

loyatemu · 04-09-2020 8:43am

Tony EH wrote: »

'Spectre' was rubbish because it tried to be a Bond movie. Whereas the other Craig Bonds made efforts to depart a wee bit from the tired old formula and tried to stand on their own, even if it was only in small ways.

I'm hoping that for Craig's last outing, they make an effort to complete his run in a sensible way and not try to do a "Bond" again.

I thought Skyfall had a lot of the old-school Bond tropes as well, and it was really good. From the trailer, this looks very Bondy.

pixelburp · 04-09-2020 11:31am

I only saw it the once but "Skyfall" felt like it at least tried to shake up and subvert the franchise a little, without tipping completely overboard into farce. While its last act in Scotland a rather brilliant piece of restrained - but still tense - action mixed with genuine character arcs centring around Judi Dench's M. It was basically Oedipal Complex: the Action Movie and because it committed to the idea, the execution seemed effortless

But then, where could the series go after that? "Spectre" was then a bit of a confused mess; obviously the same director with Sam Mendes but the script was all over the shop. Tried to balance the depth of, and fallout from, "Skyfall" with more traditional tropes from the franchise - and came off all sorts of broken.

Perhaps the root of the issue is that there's not enough character within James Bond to sustain this run of "moody" Bond; where most of the time "character" has amounted to sullenness - with 'Skyfall" and "Casino Royale" being the noted exceptions. Bond doesn't have depth to start with - that's kinda the point of him - so realistically there's only bandwidth for the occasional transformative twist or shock in his life. The rest of the time Craig mopes around. "No Time to Die" could go either way but looks like they're still trying for some moodiness in place of character.

Dades · 04-09-2020 5:45pm

Would it kill them to have Bond fight a new bad guy who is nothing to do with previous ones, who wants to execute his world domination plan from a hollowed out volcano?

Casino Royale is Craigs best and we didn't need a baddie multiverse to have a cracking game of wits. Retconning all these guys together like they did with the DNA in Spectre is more Bourne than Bond.

Just give me:

Girls
Cars
Gadgets
Exotic locations (including evil lair)
& John Barry

Maybe throw in a tux and a casino.

loyatemu · 04-09-2020 7:40pm

Dades wrote: »

Would it kill them to have Bond fight a new bad guy who is nothing to do with previous ones, who wants to execute his world domination plan from a hollowed out volcano?

Casino Royale is Craigs best and we didn't need a baddie multiverse to have a cracking game of wits. Retconning all these guys together like they did with the DNA in Spectre is more Bourne than Bond.

Just give me:

Girls
Cars
Gadgets
Exotic locations (including evil lair)
& John Barry

Maybe throw in a tux and a casino.

there has been a lack of hollowed out volcanoes in the recent films alright. Blame Austin Powers for that.

MisterAnarchy · 04-09-2020 7:42pm

That trailer is giving off a kind of a woke vibe.

py2006 · 04-09-2020 7:50pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

That trailer is giving off a kind of a woke vibe.

Not as much as first one

CastorTroy · 05-09-2020 2:21pm

Won't watch the trailer as I plan on seeing the film anyway, but every time I see this thread title I always read it as "No Time to Die Hard"

09-09-2020 11:17pm

no plot given away in the trailer.

a lot of action though...

suspect that Craig may finish up like Brosnan with only 1 good bond movie - the first one that they did!

I know that they are trying to stoke up interest due to the Covid situation and in fact most likely also feed trailer view metrics into the decision to release or not but it's pretty much never a good sign when a movie shows a lot of the key action sequences in a trailer

mikhail · 10-09-2020 12:04pm

glasso wrote: »

suspect that Craig may finish up like Brosnan with only 1 good bond movie - the first one that they did!

That's a little harsh: Skyfall is widely liked.

10-09-2020 12:20pm

mikhail wrote: »

That's a little harsh: Skyfall is widely liked.

mixed at best I would say.

personally I would say bloated with a lot of rubbish parts in it that ruined it

the extended scene at the end in particular where Dench kicked the bucket (didn't even care at that point) but even the court / tube stuff and the silly island place - i.e. large parts of it

went back and actually watched Quantum of Solace a while ago and I would argue that it's better - much tighter

mikhail · 10-09-2020 12:27pm

You're entitled to your opinion, but you stated it like it was a fact. Casino Royale has an imdb score of 8, Skyfall is 7.7. The only other Bond movie in that bracket - ever - is Goldfinger (also 7.7). Claiming that Craig only has one good Bond film is a nonsense. He only has one Bond film you like.

And I say that as someone who doesn't love Skyfall either.

10-09-2020 12:40pm

mikhail wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion, but you stated it like it was a fact. Casino Royale has an imdb score of 8, Skyfall is 7.7. The only other Bond movie in that bracket - ever - is Goldfinger (also 7.7). Claiming that Craig only has one good Bond film is a nonsense. He only has one Bond film you like.

And I say that as someone who doesn't love Skyfall either.

not sure how accurate metacritic can be for a 1964 film tbh..... not exactly a great argument

personally I think that Skyfall got a higher rating that it deserved when it came out due to the beloved Dench being killed-off effect (big part of it imo - sort of an appreciation for her role over the years) and Bardem in the cast (good actor but pretty cartoonish even for bond villan)

in retrospect it's a pretty bad movie

so I'll stick to one

Dades · 10-09-2020 12:44pm

Nevertheless, most people would agree that Skyfall was (at the very least) "good".

If NTTD is anyway decent, I'll be giving Craig a 3/5 for his Bonds.

flasher0030 · 10-09-2020 1:55pm

Dades wrote: »

Nevertheless, most people would agree that Skyfall was (at the very least) "good".

If NTTD is anyway decent, I'll be giving Craig a 3/5 for his Bonds.

Only one that didn't do it for me was Quantum of Solace. Didn't enjoy that at all. I felt it just dragged, which is unlike Bond films.

Cant compare Craig's outing as Bond to Brosnan's in my opinion. I felt there was nothing likeable about Brosnan's Bond. Bit of a smart-ass. But at least Daniel Craig has brought a bit of personality to the character. Performances aside, Brosnan's films were rather shallow. All about driving tanks, sky-diving, ticking bomb etc.

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